Will Christ set up His literal Kingdom on earth in the future?

[Lucy-Pevensie]

I don't understand, Jesus Christ Himself says my Kingdom is not of this world, yet you say well Jesus Christ will come and literally reign for 1000 years, What happens after 1000 years though? Does Jesus Christ go back to heaven, and everything happens again?

Lucy, Thank you for sharing that there are other books in the old testament I should look into, there are a few other books that reiterated in the book of revelation from those other few books you can see in the revelation.

Maybe one day Ill actually sit down and read the old testament, but I still don't understand...

Jesus Christ at one moment says hey look my kingdom is not of heaven, even says its not observable, yet your hope is for JEsus Christ to come and establish His kingdom on the Earth literally, that will last 1000 years... I don't understand it, probably may never understand it because who I am suppose to listen to people saying that yes there will be a reign for 1000 years that is like a day and a day like 1000 years.

or am I suppose to Listen to what Jesus Christ has already said about Kingdom.

John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

Good Morning Matt,

It's quite clearly explained in Revelation. It isn't a difficult or ambiguous concept. Jesus will be King of The Earth.

When Jesus says his Kingdom is "not of this world". He means the 'world system' The worldly stronghold of Satan. When he comes back to reign it's on the Earth, physically. Satan will be bound up at that time. "The god of this world" is the devil. His temporal dominion. But "the EARTH is the Lord's and everything in it." Psalm 24:1. Jesus bought back what Adam sold out. It's glorious!

Have another read of Revelation 5 where Jesus is taking ownership because he is the only one who can. (By virtue of his perfect blood-sacrifice). It's real. Not everything is confined to the spirit world alone. Jesus came to us the first time in the flesh. He returns to us the same way.

Psalm 2:7

I will proclaim the Lord’s decree:
He said to me, ‘You are my son;
today I have become your father.
8 Ask me,
and I will make the nations your inheritance,
the ends of the earth your possession.
9 You will break them with a rod of iron
you will dash them to pieces like pottery.’

10 Therefore, you kings, be wise;
be warned, you rulers of the earth.
11 Serve the Lord with fear
and celebrate his rule with trembling.
12 Kiss his son, or he will be angry
and your way will lead to your destruction,
for his wrath can flare up in a moment.
Blessed are all who take refuge in him.
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[garee]

What you are forgetting is that we do not walk by faith eternally. There comes a day when all the saints see Christ face to face, appear before the Judgment Seat of Christ, become a part of the Lamb's Wife, and descend with Christ and His holy angels to earth. Then live and reign with Christ eternally.

We walk by the eternal faith that comes from hearing the voice of eternal God.

Face to face, or grace to grace as in faith (the unseen ) to the same spirit of faith according as it is written. It all the one work of God's one faith.The faith that works in born again creatures to both will and do the good pleasure of our savior . And therefore not after the imaginations of the human heart which is dead in its tresspasses and sin without hope .

This seeing God is not a man and has no face .He has no form. He remains supernatural without mother or father beginning of Spirit life or end thereof.

One cannot take what is applicable BETWEEN the first and second comings of Christ and apply it to what happen AFTER the Resurrection/Rapture and the Marriage of the Lamb. Evidently you have accepted the Preterist ideas without checking them out for yourself. They are COMPLETELY DELUSIONAL.

It happens at the final resurrection, the last day all in the twinkling of the eye .The day of the Lord .The last trump, judgement day for those who have no faith. The receiving of our new bodies for the believer.. which will be neither male no female but like the angels with no way to procreates. Saints in there new bodies will not be mixing with saints that have not received the promise for even the twinkling of the eye.

The faith required to believe God is eternal, as the same spirit of faith as it is written. We walk by that eternal faith as the power or authority that we already have in these bodies of death.

But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.2Corinthians 4:7

We are waiting for the new bodies all die not receiving them .And there will be m no second judgment for the believer they will not come into condemnation. If Christ has paid the one wage of sin "eternal separation" as that kind of death of those who will not rise to new spirit life. New spirit life is the gift. The temporal corrupted spirit returns to the father as the body of death returns to the dust.

Christ suffered the wrath of the second death .The first death the death of these bodies has already been judged . Everyone will suffer the first death. Flesh and blood as to what we do see will not enter the new order.

We continue to walk by the eternal faith of God. Both the saints that are asleep and the one that will be changed on the last day will be one work of Christ's faith, again on the last day.

When we do rise together then the former things under the sun will not be remembered or ever come to mind forever more.

And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.Heb 11:39

 

[tourist]

I believe in a literal, physical, future reign of The Lord Jesus Christ on this earth. I look forward to it, I want to behold him on his throne. King Jesus!

There will be many that are now alive here on earth that will serve the Lord during in during His 1000 year reign in their new bodies. It will be a most exciting time with many challenges.

 

[garee]

The resurrection mentioned in Rev.20:5 is of the unrighteous dead throughout all of history. The first resurrection is of the great tribulation saints and not the church.

I would say you cannot judge a dead body that has no spirit life the Catholics must. They are still passing around the circuit dead men's bones or a hank of hair , that have no spirit life as those who must walk by sight.

This is the church where Pope Stephen VI put the rotting corpse of Pope Formosus on trial in January of 897. The trial was called the Cadaver Synod or Synodus Horrenda (since everything is more colorful in Latin). It ushered in one of the most corrupt eras in the history of the papacy, a time that's now ...

First things first. Remember not only did he inspire his words and put them on the prophets tongue but he also signified the parable.Hiding the spiritual understanding for natural man.

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

The signified meaning of the word thousand as it is used with year’s represents a unknown .God does not give exact numbers as something to seek after. People will be quick to be of the number.

He will come like a thief in the night .The Christians like Noah will be watching.

The first resurrection as that which will continue up until the last day (to be absent from these bodies of death is to be present asleep. It has occurred as the beginning when Christ said it is finished it was . Just as those who were in the Bosom of God waiting the trial who looked ahead ,when The Holy Spirit in them testified beforehand.

1Pe 1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow...... (the opening of the graves.)

The ongoing first resurrection which began when Christ said,,, it is finished.

Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: (For we walk by faith, not by sight:)We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. 2Co 5:6

Below the glory that did follow below, the first resurrection.

Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. Mat 27:50

 

[garee]

There will be many that are now alive here on earth that will serve the Lord during in during His 1000 year reign in their new bodies. It will be a most exciting time with many challenges.

Sounds a little like the Hollywood Zombies.the living dead , some given a new body other remain in their bodies of death for a thousand literal years..

If that was possible to have some receive their new bodies which will be neither male or female and other saints walking around in flesh and blood as that which could never enter the new order.I think it would be clear.

All will receive it in the twinkling of the eye .It is then that the former things of this earth will not be remembered or ever come to mind . The idea of a mixture some perfect ( complete)others not , does not appear to be a biblical teaching. But rather an oral tradition of men.

And these all, having obtained a good report "through faith,"(the unseen) received not the promise:God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect. Heb 11:39

 

[tourist]

Sounds a little like the Hollywood Zombies.the living dead , some given a new body other remain in their bodies of death for a thousand literal years..

If that was possible to have some receive their new bodies which will be neither male or female and other saints walking around in flesh and blood as that which could never enter the new order.I think it would be clear.

All will receive it in the twinkling of the eye .It is then that the former things of this earth will not be remembered or ever come to mind . The idea of a mixture some perfect ( complete)others not , does not appear to be a biblical teaching. But rather an oral tradition of men.

And these all, having obtained a good report "through faith,"(the unseen) received not the promise:God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect. Heb 11:39

Only those resurrected in the first resurrection or raptured will participate in the government of Jesus Christ during the 1000 years. The others will be resurrected in the second resurrection, will be judged for their sins and then suffer a second death. There will not be any living dead roaming around during the earthly reign of Jesus Christ.

 

[Ahwatukee]

TMS, these are men's concepts. God is not restricted to "chiastic examples." When reading the book of Revelation, "if the literal sense makes good sense, then don't seek any other sense. The context should always be considered first. The wrath of God will be carried out via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments. These are three sets of seven, numbered 1 thru 7, which is the order that they take place in . The seals will be opened in sequential order, followed by the trumpets 1 thru 7 and the bowls, which are last and complete God's wrath, also 1 thru 7.


When you take them out of order it becomes a chaotic mess. They will take place in the exact order that they are listed in scripture:

Here is another example, after the events of the 5th Trumpet/1st woe, the scripture says,

"The first woe has passed. Behold, two woes are still to follow"

After the 6th Trumpet/2nd woe , the scripture says:

"The second woe has passed. Behold, the third woe is coming quickly"

The above demonstrates that the trumpets are taking place sequentially, as do the seals, trumpets and bowls.

 

[Bladerunner]

Chiastic structure, or chiastic pattern, is a literary technique in narrative motifs and other textual passages. An example ofchiastic structure would be two ideas, A and B, together with variants A' and B', being presented as A,B,B',A'.
This was [FONT=arial, sans-serif]employed[/FONT] by the writers of [FONT=arial, sans-serif]revelation[/FONT] and the order isn't [FONT=arial, sans-serif]chronological[/FONT], like we expect but points are repeated and highlighted at different places.

So you need to put it together from the [FONT=arial, sans-serif]description[/FONT], rather than the order. look it up.

I think NOT!!!...Revelation does not say much about the Church(Jesus Bride) in the 1st three chapters, but it does say alot about the coming kingdom that Matt,Mark, Luke and John ask Jesus about. It is about getting to that Kingdom by WHOM? Israel, that is Whom! Yes there will be believing Gentiles that make it through Daniel's 70th week will also be there.

There is all kinds of Patterns in the Bible....and this is not one of them.

 

[Locutus]

Revelation does have Chiastic patterns - sorry boys.

 

[iamsoandso]

Revelation does have Chiastic patterns - sorry boys.

lol, like Acts 21 where Paul James and the others are offering to God in the temple as if it had not yet ceased, thats just about where the a's and b's all cross...

 

[Bladerunner]

lol, like Acts 21 where Paul James and the others are offering to God in the temple as if it had not yet ceased, thats just about where the a's and b's all cross...

Why is that?

 

[Locutus]

lol, like Acts 21 where Paul James and the others are offering to God in the temple as if it had not yet ceased, thats just about where the a's and b's all cross...

The Law was still active in Paul's time soandso (see Hebrew's) - I don't think Acts contain any chiastic patterns as that is not Luke style.

 

[Bladerunner]

The Law was still active in Paul's time soandso (see Hebrew's) - I don't think Acts contain any chiastic patterns as that is not Luke style.

The Law and Prophets stopped with JOHN (the Baptist)....This given to us from the words of Jesus.....After His resurrection, the dispensation of Grace began and is still in effect. As far as Hebrews goes, I am pretty sure it was one of the first books of Paul's to be written.

 

[iamsoandso]

Why is that?

Look back at post #112,pg6 and ask yourself "if it is a cold slap to sacrifice in the temple (after) Jesus crucifixion then why does James,the elders, and Paul do it that many years afterward?" So do we say that we are so much more intelligent than James,the elders and Paul and back date the time the offerings ceased and say what TMS said or do we say that the apostles and elders did not regard the sacrifices as being "ceased" and they knew more than us approx. 25 years after the crucifixion so they offered in the temple in Acts 21?

 

[iamsoandso]

The Law was still active in Paul's time soandso (see Hebrew's) - I don't think Acts contain any chiastic patterns as that is not Luke style.

yes, see post #134...

 

[Locutus]

The Law and Prophets stopped with JOHN (the Baptist)....This given to us from the words of Jesus.....After His resurrection, the dispensation of Grace began and is still in effect. As far as Hebrews goes, I am pretty sure it was one of the first books of Paul's to be written.

That doesn't mean the Law had ended that only happened when God brought it to an end in the war of 66-70 AD

You can't have a covenant not in effect that was still in the process of passing away:

Heb 8:13 When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear.

Neither is it logical to claim it was over after Christ's resurrection when Paul wrote to Christians they were dead to a law that had already gone:

Rom 7:4 Therefore, my brethren, you also were made to die to the Law through the body of Christ, so that you might be joined to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God.

 

[iamsoandso]

That doesn't mean the Law had ended that only happened when God brought it to an end in the war of 66-70 AD

You can't have a covenant not in effect that was still in the process of passing away:

Heb 8:13 When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear.

Neither is it logical to claim it was over after Christ's resurrection when Paul wrote to Christians they were dead to a law that had already gone:

Rom 7:4 Therefore, my brethren, you also were made to die to the Law through the body of Christ, so that you might be joined to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God.

lol, in #112 TMS said the cross, and you say ad66-70,,,cant help but love the date setters while watching them prove it...

 

[Locutus]

lol, in #112 TMS said the cross, and you say ad66-70,,,cant help but love the date setters while watching them prove it...

It's a good view from the fence eh soandso?...

 

[iamsoandso]

It's a good view from the fence eh soandso?...

It's a lonely place at first I suppose, up on that fence. On one side is camp A and the other side camp B the top of the fence is the Chiastic position where they cross. You still have no Mark to support ad66-70,,TMS has no abomination in his...

 

[Bladerunner]

Look back at post #112,pg6 and ask yourself "if it is a cold slap to sacrifice in the temple (after) Jesus crucifixion then why does James,the elders, and Paul do it that many years afterward?" So do we say that we are so much more intelligent than James,the elders and Paul and back date the time the offerings ceased and say what TMS said or do we say that the apostles and elders did not regard the sacrifices as being "ceased" and they knew more than us approx. 25 years after the crucifixion so they offered in the temple in Acts 21?

No really sure about what you are asking but Israel as a nation did reject Jesus and still required the Sacrifices to abate their sin.

Not sure about James and the ELDERS...who are you referring to here and the time period please because James and the Elders(?) where also prior to the Crucifixion of Jesus. Paul on the other hand was not an apostle until after Steven was killed (acts 7). Upuntil that time Paul (Saul of Tarus) was a Sanhedrin.