woman not allowed to teach men amd a question

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NoNameMcgee

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ya i think teaching doctrine with authority

sharing the gospel with a non-believer

and having a general discussion are all different things


i wouldnt attend a church with a woman as preacher

but if a woman pointed out something i clearly had wrong in conversation
(which HAS happened.... and they HAVE been correct when i was in error before)

im not opposed to learn or be corrected from anyone
(even if i disagree at first and need to pray and study on it)
younger, older, male, female
 
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God be with you Tasha as He shows you His heart on this matter and in His word brings understanding.....love in Christ Sherril....:rolleyes:
 
maxwel

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The debate on this issue is generally not about whether or not a woman can teach,
but whether or not women within the local church should have authority over the men.


I think you're making too much of this.

If you know some wise Christian women, then you need to ask them for advice and for teaching.
 
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TashaB said:
I know women are not to teach men but if a man is wrong in something pertaining to the bible what then should we do? Tell another man and let him decipher the truth of it before telling the man?

But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
1 Tim 2:12
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The question of accurate translation of woman and man aside, what indication is there that we should not read it as is and not with any inference it is applied to "women" and "men" in general?

Is it right that we should read this as "But I suffer not women to teach, nor to usurp authority over men, but to be in silence," instead of what is actually written?

And if yes, then, why didn't Paul write it as we "should" read it?
 
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TashaB said:
Can you show scripture to prove this? In the bible from what I know, it's ot says women cannot teach men because Eve was the one who believed the snake instead of God and convinced Adam.

13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
1 Tim 2:13-14
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I take this as an indication that we "should" read 2Tim 2:12 as written, and it gives us a clue as to the context of its specific counsel relative to "a" woman and "a" man, in particular, and the relationship between them, one that is relative to that of Adam and Eve's relationship.
 
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TashaB said:
Can you show scripture to prove this? In the bible from what I know, it's ot says women cannot teach men because Eve was the one who believed the snake instead of God and convinced Adam.

13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
1 Tim 2:13-14
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Oldhermit got it right. Paul's words pertain to the assembly.

If you remember, Aquila and Priscilla both helped teach Apollos... it was specifically stated that they BOTH taught him....

[SUP]24 [/SUP]Now a Jew named Apollos, an Alexandrian by birth, [SUP][d][/SUP]an eloquent man, came to Ephesus; and he was mighty in the Scriptures. [SUP]25 [/SUP]This man had been instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in spirit, he was speaking and teaching accurately the things concerning Jesus, being acquainted only with the baptism of John; [SUP]26 [/SUP]and [SUP][e][/SUP]he began to speak out boldly in the synagogue. But when Priscilla and Aquila heard him, they took him aside and explained to him the way of God more accurately.
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TashaB said:
I know women are not to teach men but if a man is wrong in something pertaining to the bible what then should we do? Tell another man and let him decipher the truth of it before telling the man?

But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
1 Tim 2:12
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TashaB...this is speaking of the pastorial structure of the denominational church.
 
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hornetguy said:
Oldhermit got it right. Paul's words pertain to the assembly.

If you remember, Aquila and Priscilla both helped teach Apollos... it was specifically stated that they BOTH taught him....
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I think that would mean Old Hermit gets it wrong. You are saying that the prohibition pertains to marriage, not the assembly.

The point is that there is no blanket prohibition on women teaching in Church, let's get this straight.

Women can teach women, and a woman as part of a married couple can teach.

Even a single woman, who would be under the authority of her parents, ergo father, can teach.

But Paul has created structural accountability; the point being that women are easily seduced, and therefore unless under authority can likely bring in false doctrines.
 
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And at the end of the day, I think we all know women belong in the kitchen.

That's why Adam was the "caretaker" of the garden... and not the cook.

That's how the whole human race fell; Eve was off talking to the snake when she should have been fixing dinner.

I'm not suggesting that if a woman fails to fix her husband's dinner, that the whole world will collapse... but hey, it's happened before.



Nonetheless, there's nothing wrong with women doing a little Bible exegesis if all the potatoes are done cooking.

Personally, I think it's more efficient if women can do their Bible study and cook at the SAME TIME!



With modern technology, it's possible for a woman to study the bible, teach the bible, socialize with her church friends, and be involved in ministry... all the while NEVER LEAVING THE KITCHEN EVER!!!!!



We truly live in an age of miracles.

: )
 
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No, this is totally wrong. Men and women should pursue spiritual things.
 
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J7 said:
I think that would mean Old Hermit gets it wrong. You are saying that the prohibition pertains to marriage, not the assembly.

The point is that there is no blanket prohibition on women teaching in Church, let's get this straight.

Women can teach women, and a woman as part of a married couple can teach.

Even a single woman, who would be under the authority of her parents, ergo father, can teach.

But Paul has created structural accountability; the point being that women are easily seduced, and therefore unless under authority can likely bring in false doctrines.
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It is all natural woman to teach her children about God (as did my mother) This is absolutely not for bitten and i would assume no one even tries to say so.

In Church things are somewhat different.

Woman has role as do man in marriage in church and in all.

Long as we are in earth these restrictions apply and are result of our flesh and different roles given by God.

A woman is to teach man in love and compassion and man woman in knowledge and scripture.

Woman faith is different than mans (and again lets not get to the "not everyone is same" of course not everyone is same)

In general man's faith is of logic and scripture faith in knowledge .
In general woman faith is of compassion and understanding faith in love.

Can a woman take part of church teaching ?

Of course she can she can teach children about God she can talk to men and witness her faith to them.
She can spread gospel she can do all the things that are natural to her.

But woman is not to have dominion over man.

This comes all the way from early times of fall of Adam and Eve.

This was not always so...

For those reasons woman is not to teach scripture to men.
 
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TashaB said:
I know women are not to teach men but if a man is wrong in something pertaining to the bible what then should we do? Tell another man and let him decipher the truth of it before telling the man?

But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
1 Tim 2:12
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***You may find this article about women teaching interesting...

[h=3]Are Women Really Not Allowed to Teach in Church? - Charisma News[/h]
 
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TashaB said:
I know women are not to teach men but if a man is wrong in something pertaining to the bible what then should we do? Tell another man and let him decipher the truth of it before telling the man?

But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
1 Tim 2:12
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If it is a friend you can testify in your faith what you believe.
If it is your husband things are somewhat different and more complex
 
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maxwel said:
And at the end of the day, I think we all know women belong in the kitchen.

That's why Adam was the "caretaker" of the garden... and not the cook.

That's how the whole human race fell; Eve was off talking to the snake when she should have been fixing dinner.

I'm not suggesting that if a woman fails to fix her husband's dinner, that the whole world will collapse... but hey, it's happened before.



Nonetheless, there's nothing wrong with women doing a little Bible exegesis if all the potatoes are done cooking.

Personally, I think it's more efficient if women can do their Bible study and cook at the SAME TIME!



With modern technology, it's possible for a woman to study the bible, teach the bible, socialize with her church friends, and be involved in ministry... all the while NEVER LEAVING THE KITCHEN EVER!!!!!



We truly live in an age of miracles.

: )
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I should make any man who tells me I should be in the kitchen eat one of my meals. Particularly my Waikiki meatballs. They were made of beef, pork, and mutton, and undercooked. The dog wouldn't eat it. The dog ate his own vomit.

Now... do you want me in the kitchen still? Because if I go, you're eating my undercooked Waikiki meatballs.

 
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maxwel said:
And at the end of the day, I think we all know women belong in the kitchen.

That's why Adam was the "caretaker" of the garden... and not the cook.

That's how the whole human race fell; Eve was off talking to the snake when she should have been fixing dinner.

I'm not suggesting that if a woman fails to fix her husband's dinner, that the whole world will collapse... but hey, it's happened before.



Nonetheless, there's nothing wrong with women doing a little Bible exegesis if all the potatoes are done cooking.

Personally, I think it's more efficient if women can do their Bible study and cook at the SAME TIME!



With modern technology, it's possible for a woman to study the bible, teach the bible, socialize with her church friends, and be involved in ministry... all the while NEVER LEAVING THE KITCHEN EVER!!!!!



We truly live in an age of miracles.

: )
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Yes! Hallelujah! We're free at last, free at last! Good God, Almighty, we're free at last!
 
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Micah 6:4, "for I brought you up from the land of Mitsrayim, and I ransomed you from the house of bondage. And I sent Mosheh, Aharon, and Miryam before you."

Judges 4:4, "And Deḇorah, a prophetess, the wife of Lappiḏoth, was ruling Yisra’ĕl at that time."

2 Kings 22:14, "Then Ḥilqiyahu the priest, and Aḥiqam, and Aḵbor, and Shaphan, and Asayah went to Ḥuldah the prophetess, the wife of Shallum son of Tiqwah, son of Ḥarḥas, keeper of the wardrobe. Now she was dwelling in Yerushalayim in the Second Quarter. And they spoke with her.

Nehemiah 6:14, "My Elohim, remember Toḇiyah and Sanballat, according to these works of theirs, and the prophetess No‛aḏyah and the rest of the prophets who would have made me afraid."

Isaiah8:3, "And I went to the prophetess, and she conceived and bore a son. And יהוה said to me, “Call his name Mahĕr-Shalal-Ḥash-Baz;"

Luke 2:36, "And there was Ḥannah, a prophetess, a daughter of Penu’ĕl, of the tribe of Ashĕr. She was advanced in years, and had lived with a husband seven years from her maidenhood,"

Acts 21:8, "And on the next day we left and came to Caesarea, and went into the house of Philip the evangelist, who was one of the seven, and stayed with him."21:9, "Now this one had four maiden daughters who prophesied."
 
FlSnookman7

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Well, Jesus choose a woman as the first evangelist.
 
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