"Women keep silent in the churches": Has that ceased or is it still for today?

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phil36

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Re: "Women keep silent in the churches": Has that ceased or is it still for today?

The Lord decreed that we be just. That means the same rules apply to men and women. No person has the right to rule over any other person. The Lord rules over us all.
Hi Ress,

I agree we are to be 'just' however, not of our own standard of what that means but how God has revealed in all of scripture.

Mans mind is not God's
 
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jimmydiggs

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You are not being just when you have one set of rules for men and another for women. It doesn't take a genius to understand that. Jesus told us to be just.
That is where you are taking your own worldly and ugodly definition, and trying to plaster it onto God.
 
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jimmydiggs

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The Lord decreed that we be just. That means the same rules apply to men and women.
According to webster:
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based on or behaving according to what is morally right and fair.





Even on the worldly basis you can't get "fair" out of "just".
 

homwardbound

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LOL,many of us women are sensitive to this topic.
truthfully, god created a help meet right from the rib as an equal, even though Eve did eat first and then Adam. It is what it is. And there are women of God that stand in God closer than many men do. Regardless. one is either ran by flesh or God's Spirit.
I choose God's Spirit only
 

homwardbound

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Nuns are considered married to Jesus.... but i have a feeling you don't care so I'll spend my time typing up PTA stuff instead of trying to explain it.

I've heard both sides of the debate and I believe if a woman is doing what Jesus called her to do, she's under HIS authority and the phrase is more about how humans should not abjure Christ's authority than male or female gender roles.

I've seen error taught by males and females and good gospel from males and females. so I don't really see the point of the debate. you still have to use discernment no matter what is being said or taught.

Good pastors point to Christ.

False wolves pretending to be pastors point to themselves (they come in both male and female versions).

THe Bible calls the church the BRIDE, which sounds female to me.....

also a lot of the people who say women can't be pastors, say they can be evangelist, prophetess, etc.

I"m not sure I see the distinction that is being made.
100% truth living above the circumstances of flesh and blood in God's Spirit where there is no Male, Female, Jew, Greek, we are one in God's Spirit by the resurrected Christ born again in Father, by Father a free gift to all that believe, see and receive
Hallelujah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ariel 82, thank you. truth that sets us free has come here to be revealed
 
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Hi Ress,

I agree we are to be 'just' however, not of our own standard of what that means but how God has revealed in all of scripture.

Mans mind is not God's
Some things are self-evident, Phil. Justice means the same rules apply to all.
 
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That is where you are taking your own worldly and ugodly definition, and trying to plaster it onto God.
No, some things are self-evident. Justice means the same rules apply to all.
 
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Re: "Women keep silent in the churches": Has that ceased or is it still for today?

According to webster:
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based on or behaving according to what is morally right and fair.





Even on the worldly basis you can't get "fair" out of "just".
The same rules have to apply to all, Jimmy.
 

homwardbound

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Re: "Women keep silent in the churches": Has that ceased or is it still for today?

Well we've got men here (and everywhere) promoting the idea that there's absolutely no distinction whatsoever between men and women in the church, and that women can even be a pastor of a church in authority over their husbands and all the men (which is totally turning scripture upside down).

This is not an issue of men vs women. It's an issue of basic biblical principle that flies in the face of modern Western feminist society. There are just as many Christian women who hold to these basic principles of roles of men and women (in the home and in the church), as there are Christian men.

I think that actually most Christian women would never want to be a pastor in authority over men in the church, and most Christian women wouldn't want a church with a woman pastor -- they want a male pastor. I guess all those women are just "sexist" like me. Or maybe they're just Bible believers?
I personally am a believer in god in the Spiritof God since God can only be worshipped one way today
John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him
John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

and the only true Church, actually Tabernacle is not here on earth, rather in heaven, I disagree with this world Church order that is actually out of order, and if Christ were here on earth in the flesh today would not attend. and we are called to be of one mind, one Spirit, in Father through Son.
1 Cor. very clear on divisions and Churches that is actually a mistranslation from the Greek original writing of the New Testament. Anyway
[h=3]Hebrews 8[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

8 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; [SUP]2 [/SUP]a minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man. [SUP]3 [/SUP]For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer. [SUP]4 [/SUP]For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law: [SUP]5 [/SUP]who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry,

by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.



Can any flesh please God since all sin has been condemned to flesh
Romans 8:3
For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

And here we all are being fleshly, when God can today only be worshipped in Spirit and truth
 

homwardbound

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He has decreed an order of authority.

God the head of Christ, Christ the head of man, man the head of woman. In that order.
You are not a male chauvinist are you? Do you think no matter what you tell your wife to do she should do it as you said you over her. How far and deep does this go you all.
 

homwardbound

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Re: "Women keep silent in the churches": Has that ceased or is it still for today?

Hi Ress,

I agree we are to be 'just' however, not of our own standard of what that means but how God has revealed in all of scripture.

Mans mind is not God's
God is of the Spirit not flesh as this is truth here today. We are to discern all the word by God's Spirit, not flesh and blood want a be's, that can never please God
 
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Re: "Women keep silent in the churches": Has that ceased or is it still for today?

You are not a male chauvinist are you? Do you think no matter what you tell your wife to do she should do it as you said you over her. How far and deep does this go you all.
here here and your right its just another open invitation for slanderers to show there true colors. prevention is a fine word,

what can we prevent well when war happens innocent people get hurt, when a topic like this happens what happens innocent peoples feelings get hurt, best thing you can do is run for cover, and pray because if you let your feelings known , for some it becomes an open invitation, for people to say your un godly,(in other words your an umbilical idol worshiping and you know nothing, i know everything an you know nothing,
Your feelings do matter, but if you carry on expressing them you will be accused of just about everything under the sun. because for some there feelings are more important to yours, i am off now to sit in the corner stick my finger in a pie an say what a good boy am i.
 
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I think that actually most Christian women would never want to be a pastor in authority over men in the church, and most Christian women wouldn't want a church with a woman pastor -- they want a male pastor. I guess all those women are just "sexist" like me. Or maybe they're just Bible believers?
I don't know of any men who want to be a pastor, except those men who want a big salary and an easy job. Most Christian men don't want to be a preacher at all, or teach class, or anything similar. Just check the statistics where male pastors are leaving the ministry at a rate of 5% a year, without being replaced.


I think if the majority of men do not want women pastors, then somebody needs to man up and take the position themselves. Men in today's modern churches either want to be the bosses on the board, singers, musicians, or nothing at all.
 
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jimmydiggs

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No, some things are self-evident. Justice means the same rules apply to all.
No, you're talking about being fair, not justice. The reaosn you misdiagnose justice is because you worship a different God, one who is not triune.
 
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jimmydiggs

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Re: "Women keep silent in the churches": Has that ceased or is it still for today?

You are not a male chauvinist are you? Do you think no matter what you tell your wife to do she should do it as you said you over her. How far and deep does this go you all.
I'm not married.

That being said, If I tell her to sin she better not do it.
 
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jimmydiggs

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The same rules have to apply to all, Jimmy.
No they don't, res. Different roles have different rules. Teachers have rules that they must live by in classrooms, that students don't. Oh how unjust!
 
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I noticed those teacher/student rules don't apply in this forum.
 

homwardbound

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Re: "Women keep silent in the churches": Has that ceased or is it still for today?

here here and your right its just another open invitation for slanderers to show there true colors. prevention is a fine word,

what can we prevent well when war happens innocent people get hurt, when a topic like this happens what happens innocent peoples feelings get hurt, best thing you can do is run for cover, and pray because if you let your feelings known , for some it becomes an open invitation, for people to say your un godly,(in other words your an umbilical idol worshiping and you know nothing, i know everything an you know nothing,
Your feelings do matter, but if you carry on expressing them you will be accused of just about everything under the sun. because for some there feelings are more important to yours, i am off now to sit in the corner stick my finger in a pie an say what a good boy am i.
Just posting scripture about what you said. And for me my conscious is clear, and I do not even judge myself, God does that and in God through I am clear, praying for us all to learn from each other and Love the way God loves in 1 cor.13:4-13
Romans 5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
Romans 14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother’s way.
2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
James 4:11 Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.
James 4:12 There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?
James 5:9 Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge standeth before the door.
 

homwardbound

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I'm not married.

That being said, If I tell her to sin she better not do it.
Thanks Jimmy, appreciated, for as I see it we are to love all equally. As far as place goes, I see if both are in agreement then it is cool. I see in the First Testament when God came here angry, it was over other's interfering in other's free wills. Just the bottom line of what I see.
Who am I, being given free will to ever take another's free will away. God does not interfere with our free wills, unless we are taking away others. God truly does love us all. And I really Love the movie Oh GOD, by George Burns and part 2. A lot od insight in these movies about love.