"Women keep silent in the churches": Has that ceased or is it still for today?

[homwardbound]

Re: "Women keep silent in the churches": Has that ceased or is it still for today?

I noticed those teacher/student rules don't apply in this forum.

There has to be rules to keep in order. So if they weren't viewed as Law, rules, rather as this is in place to keep us loving one another with a true heart towards each other.
What as Paul said do all speak, do all hear, does the hand say to the foot what need do I have of you?
The body is one, yet many parts to make the one body. If wee can view it this way. Which a lot of us do, yet it still gets out of order, with the hand trying to the foot and so on and so forth
Order is important, yet how it is gone about can be good or bad for the body

 

[jimmydiggs]

Re: "Women keep silent in the churches": Has that ceased or is it still for today?

I noticed those teacher/student rules don't apply in this forum.

I know, I'm trying to teach you and others, and you insist in rebellion against God! Alas, what can I do?

 

[Stephen63]

Re: "Women keep silent in the churches": Has that ceased or is it still for today?

I know, I'm trying to teach you and others, and you insist in rebellion against God! Alas, what can I do?

Young man, I have been in the ministry for 1 1/2 times longer than you are old.


He who wishes to teach should first be a student. Clichés and arrogant statements doesn't qualify a person as a teacher.

 

[jimmydiggs]

Re: "Women keep silent in the churches": Has that ceased or is it still for today?

He who wishes to teach should first be a student. Clichés and arrogant statements doesn't qualify a person as a teacher.

Picked this up for you, it's very useful.

Young man, I have been in the ministry for 1 1/2 times longer than you are old.

... and yet there is so much you teach wrongly about. Maybe it will take that much longer to get it figured out.

 

[Stephen63]

Re: "Women keep silent in the churches": Has that ceased or is it still for today?

Picked this up for you, it's very useful.

I rest my case.

 

[jimmydiggs]

Re: "Women keep silent in the churches": Has that ceased or is it still for today?

I rest my vase.

Fixed it for you.

 

[Quickfire]

Re: "Women keep silent in the churches": Has that ceased or is it still for today?

Just posting scripture about what you said. And for me my conscious is clear, and I do not even judge myself, God does that and in God through I am clear, praying for us all to learn from each other and Love the way God loves in 1 cor.13:4-13
Romans 5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
Romans 14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother’s way.
2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
James 4:11 Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.
James 4:12 There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?
James 5:9 Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge standeth before the door.

what an earth are you harping on about wow, actualy i quoted the wrong person befor you my quote had nothing to do with you, if you read mt post i was actually said here here to you meaning i agree,

originaly posted by jimmydiggs,, That is where you are taking your own worldly and ugodly definition, and trying to plaster it onto God.,,,,, this however i feel is not ok to call someone ungodly is just dam right disrespectful,

 

[Stephen63]

Re: "Women keep silent in the churches": Has that ceased or is it still for today?

Fixed it for you.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

 

[jimmydiggs]

Re: "Women keep silent in the churches": Has that ceased or is it still for today?

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

I hope some day you'll be like the vase, and see yourself in the mirror.

 

[jimmydiggs]

Re: "Women keep silent in the churches": Has that ceased or is it still for today?

originaly posted by jimmydiggs,, That is where you are taking your own worldly and ugodly definition, and trying to plaster it onto God.,,,,, this however i feel is not ok to call someone ungodly is just dam right disrespectful,

The definition is ungodly. Homeward himself as a person, I wouldn't know.

 

[Stephen63]

Re: "Women keep silent in the churches": Has that ceased or is it still for today?

I hope some day you'll be like the vase, and see yourself in the mirror.

Try it yourself & let me know when yer done.

 

[jimmydiggs]

Re: "Women keep silent in the churches": Has that ceased or is it still for today?

Try it yourself & let me know when yer done.

Everyday. Could tell ya what I see if you are interested.
I would think it would be hard for you though.

You can't see a reflection in the mirror of your own.

You think so highly of yourself. The attitude of "I've been in ministry, and I'm the real slim shady" is bad for ya.

 

[Stephen63]

Re: "Women keep silent in the churches": Has that ceased or is it still for today?

Everyday. Could tell ya what I see if you are interested.
I would think it would be hard for you though.

You can't see a reflection in the mirror of your own.

You think so highly of yourself. The attitude of "I've been in ministry, and I'm the real slim shady" is bad for ya.

More arrogant statements, now with psychological projection.

Methinks him that judgest doest the same things.

 

[jimmydiggs]

Re: "Women keep silent in the churches": Has that ceased or is it still for today?

More arrogant statements, now with psychological projection.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. It's okay if you do it. You can't see your own.

This is my last response on the issue, as you're nothing but a trap and I'm not going to continue in this with you.

 

[Stephen63]

Re: "Women keep silent in the churches": Has that ceased or is it still for today?

This is exactly what I'm talking about. It's okay if you do it. You can't see your own.

This is my last response on the issue, as you're nothing but a trap and I'm not going to continue in this with you.

More psychological projection. But I don't worry, 'cause the readers can judge for themselves. Thanks for stopping.

 

[Angela53510]

Re: "Women keep silent in the churches": Has that ceased or is it still for today?

You could try embracing what God has prepared for you instead of insisting on other worldly pursuits, such as ungodly feminism.


I've dealt with at least one of your claims about the Greek language before, and it was egregriously wrong. Fortunately for you, you seemed to ahve missed it. I would hope you wouldn't intentionally avoid it. That being said, you had made a claim that in the Greek language there was no distinction in greek vocabulary for the words male and female/husband and wife. To which I responded with biblestudytools information, strongs concordance that is demonstrating otherwise.

Actually, you are the one who missed my apology post. I was sick and had a fever and just posted WRONGLY about that Greek. I admitted I was totally wrong, and that I should not have even posted in the state I was in.

As for me being a feminist, you should talk to my husband and pastor. I think they would agree that I submit appropriately in all circumstances.

The Bible is quite clear that we are ALL to submit one to another.

"submitting to one another out of reverence for Christ." Eph. 5:21

I always try and obey the Bible, and submit to ALL who are around me! I wish some men understood that verse also applies to them.

I would report you for your constant name calling, but I prefer to forgive and understand that you have issues of your own which come out in this un-Christ-like behaviour!

 

[resurrection33]

Re: "Women keep silent in the churches": Has that ceased or is it still for today?

No, you're talking about being fair, not justice. The reaosn you misdiagnose justice is because you worship a different God, one who is not triune.

No, I just think we men should play by the same rules we require the women to follow.

 

[resurrection33]

Re: "Women keep silent in the churches": Has that ceased or is it still for today?

No they don't, res. Different roles have different rules. Teachers have rules that they must live by in classrooms, that students don't. Oh how unjust!

No, we are all required to love our neighbors as ourselves. In other words, do unto others as you would have them to do unto you.

 

[Angela53510]

Re: "Women keep silent in the churches": Has that ceased or is it still for today?

I noticed a situation where a Woman preacher drew the entire congregation to Herself so much that when she left the church the church lost a significant portion of the membership because they were following Her.

The natural proclivity of the woman is to "desire the man" (Gen 3:16) this desire makes itself apparent when a woman wants to draw a man to Her. This (I feel) is what was done to the Church mentioned previously. I feel that this proclivity to draw people to Herself (a disciplinary result of the fall) is why a Woman is not suited to be in an oversight position in a body of believers.

Brian

If you will read Gen 3:16 in context, you will notice it was AFTER the Fall! That is what I keep trying to say over and over. The concept of roles started AFTER the Fall. It is part of the curse we inherited.

But Jesus set us free from that curse!

We really need another thread debating the issue of whether roles started before the Fall or after. Then we could dig into the Hebrew and really see what the Bible says. Actually, I don't think we even need the Hebrew, Genesis 2 and 3 are pretty straightforward. Oh, in this forum, maybe not so much!

As far as Adam being created before Eve, this is the truth. But where does it say anywhere this means women cannot teach and preach? Woman was created because Man could not make it on his own. The church of Jesus Christ will not make it without women who are called to do the work of God. Sadly, women do not hear the call, because they read these poor English translations of the New Testament Greek and are cowed and bullied by men who are threatened by women who have heard the call and obeyed it.

Perhaps Adam being created before Eve is a criticism of Adam, that he could not make it on his own, and in fact needed the help of his ezer - the same word used elsewhere in Scripture for God 17 times, and 3 times for a powerful military ally, and 0 times for anything else. Ezer is an important word in the creation story, because it is a word of power - Eve was powerful - and sadly, used her power for evil. But Adam also sinned because of direct disobedience to God (Eve had not been created when God told him not to eat of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil), and so therefore directly obeyed God. Eve might have been seduced, but the real evil is directly disobeying a command of God.

In fact, I dare say if we had more women preachers over the years, the church would be reaching the world for Christ, instead of diddling around waiting for some imaginary rapture, or arguing eschatology till the end of time. Women are gifted with many gifts that men often do not show. For too long the church has been run by arrogant men who shut not just women, but weaker men out of the power structures which never should have been created in the first place.

Show me ONE scripture that qualifies ANY of the gifts, including preaching, teaching and pastoring by gender and I will never post on this topic again. (And my relationship with my husband, is not the issue here!)

 

[phil36]

Re: "Women keep silent in the churches": Has that ceased or is it still for today?

No, some things are self-evident. Justice means the same rules apply to all.

I would agree with that aswell, but that has nothing to do with status and function. unless you break the rules.