Working out our Salvation
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To work out in means to (fit out).....Just like a soldier would (arm up) before going out to battle and or A Roman soldier would put on his armour and pick up his shield and sword before engaging the enemy.....A child of God who has been truly born again will produce fruit....as salvation is the beginning point in a believer's life, and we are to go on to maturity while doing the work that God has prepared for us before the casting down of the world!
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Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Rom 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Rom 8:12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
In other words ~ The Spirit is His Voice - and following - we take no glory for our obedience - because we're just dumb sheep and without Him can do nothing - but we can choose whether we'll follow His Spirit/His Voice and not move without hearing Him - as HE walked while in the flesh ...
Joh 10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
Joh 10:2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
Joh 10:3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
Joh 10:4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
Joh 10:5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.
Joh 10:14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Rom 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Rom 8:12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
In other words ~ The Spirit is His Voice - and following - we take no glory for our obedience - because we're just dumb sheep and without Him can do nothing - but we can choose whether we'll follow His Spirit/His Voice and not move without hearing Him - as HE walked while in the flesh ...
Joh 10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
Joh 10:2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
Joh 10:3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
Joh 10:4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
Joh 10:5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.
Joh 10:14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me
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Here the scripture is speaking on surrendering totally to GOD. We as Christians must walk our Salvation with GOD by not following after our flesh. Notice the verse after which states it must be done not in our own strength. This Salvation is speaking on our daily walk. With fear and trembling because as a Christian one has confessed JESUS as LORD over their life and therefore are given the HOLY SPIRIT. The HOLY SPIRIT Leads and Guides us now when one goes against the Leading of the HOLY SPIRIT it will cause much pain, grief and sorrow it can and will lead to one having a Reprobate mind and become blasphemous which is a sin that is not forgiven. So as we hear the HOLY SPIRIT speaking to us we must adhere and obey because if not the punishment is Great this is why we must walk this walk with fear and trembling. By Praying, studying GOD's WORD, Fasting, attending church service regularly and having Christian fellowship and having an ear to hear what GOD is Speaking are ways that we are to implement this in our daily life. The scriptures apply to us all.
Blessings!!!!!!!
Blessings!!!!!!!
MK 16:16; Jn 3:15,16,18; Jn 3:36; Jn 5:24; Jn 6:40,47; Jn 11:25,26 are just a few verses that have the order of belief BEFORE salvation. No verse can contradict that order. Evidently you are re-arranging various verses.
Rom 5:2 "By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God."
Faith gives access to grace. IF one could be saved BEFORE he has faith/believes then you would have him being impossibly saved WITHOUT grace.
"working it out"
So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy.
(Romans 9:16)
Once God has spoken;
twice have I heard this:
that power belongs to God,
and that to you, O Lord, belongs steadfast love.
For you will render to a man
according to his work.
(Psalm 62:11-12)
remember how we started - with the admonition that we should continue to obey with reverence, as we have obeyed, because it is God that works in us to do His will and pleasure?
remember how we started - how we confessed to Him that we were full of sin, hard of heart and wicked and vain in all our doings, and we looked for His mercy? remember how He lifted us up and spoke life into our souls, that being dead, we were made alive? because of our faith? for the sake of His name?
i really don't think continued obedience and holding that Salvation is the free gift to all who believe in the name of Christ are at odds with each other. i had no power in me to obey except that the Lord put it in me. i owe Him everything- and hallelujah! He is faithful and good!!
That is the answer to your question.
Both birth of the body and rebirth of the spirit are not by your personal choice (Jn 1:13).
When you have a part in your own rebirth of your spirit by the Holy Spirit,
which produces saving faith.
It can only be spiritually dead (no Holy Spirit life in their spirit) unbelievers
who by the Holy Spirit are born again, raised from spiritual death to eternal life by grace through faith.
Both birth of the body and rebirth of the spirit are not by your personal choice (Jn 1:13).
When you have a part in your own rebirth of your spirit by the Holy Spirit,
which produces saving faith.
It can only be spiritually dead (no Holy Spirit life in their spirit) unbelievers
who by the Holy Spirit are born again, raised from spiritual death to eternal life by grace through faith.
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This verse is talking about a timely deliverance that we can receive here on earth by obeying God's commandments. Jesus says the world will hate those that follow after him. God will bless our lives if we obey him. This scripture applies to all of God's elect. Most of the salvation scriptures are referring to timely deliverances.
Sure being born again is a choice of mine, if it wasn't then you have someone else choosing for me if I will be saved or not.
Jn 1:13
"not of blood" means physical birth does not make one born of God
"not of the will of the flesh" means one cannot earn/merit the new birth"
"not of the will of man" the new birth did not come about because it was man's idea that was put into action
"but of God" the new birth is a result of God. God choose that the new birth takes place by spirit and water, Jn 3:5.
God does not randomly choose who will or will not be born again, but men choose to be born again. Why would Christ say to Nicodemus "you MUST be born again" if Nicodemus has no choice in it? If man has no choice in being born again, whose fault was it Nicodemus had not be born again?
Jn 1:13
"not of blood" means physical birth does not make one born of God
"not of the will of the flesh" means one cannot earn/merit the new birth"
"not of the will of man" the new birth did not come about because it was man's idea that was put into action
"but of God" the new birth is a result of God. God choose that the new birth takes place by spirit and water, Jn 3:5.
God does not randomly choose who will or will not be born again, but men choose to be born again. Why would Christ say to Nicodemus "you MUST be born again" if Nicodemus has no choice in it? If man has no choice in being born again, whose fault was it Nicodemus had not be born again?
One of the basic laws of physics is that objects at rest tend to stay at rest. Objects move only when acted upon by an outside force.
Men are lost in sin and tend to stay lost in sin until they are acted upon by an outside force. God reaches down to lift a soul from the mire of sin. God by grace reveals to man from His word that man must be saved or he will perish. Faith cometh by hearing and hearing the word of God. Grace moves man to faith and to salvation.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Men are lost in sin and tend to stay lost in sin until they are acted upon by an outside force. God reaches down to lift a soul from the mire of sin. God by grace reveals to man from His word that man must be saved or he will perish. Faith cometh by hearing and hearing the word of God. Grace moves man to faith and to salvation.
For the cause of Christ
Roger