Wow!

[Strangelove]

The problem is that you dismiss substantiated facts, without a shred of emperical evidence to the contrary, so you can push a far-fetched agenda. Only what strangelove has to say matters to strangelove; nothing else does.

Substanciated by WHO? The RCC and people who have a 'Protestant' nametag? that doesnt make anything FACT. I advise people to listen to Alberto Riveras testimony and make up their own minds. You want to dismiss him as a phony regasrdless of the substanciated facts that prove he is an ex-jesuit priest.

Whats my far fetched agenda then?

So if I say that George Washington was the first president and that is a historical fact with plenty of physical emperical evidence substantiated by qualified historical scholars and it doesn't fit with your conspiracy that George Washington was really murdered by the Jesuits and an imposter was the first president then you simply make a snarky comment and dismiss the aggregate of the world's evidence proving George Washington was, in fact, the first president (without proving he wasn't) because it doesn't fit with your conspiracy agenda.

You can say whatever you want. People will have to use their brains to come to discern the truth.

That's the problem and we do not find it acceptable.

WE? Who's WE? All I see is you and a devout catholic getting the hump. the rest of the guys arn't complaining about anything.

This is not the strangelove conspiracy hour where all real evidence and scholarship is meaningless and only starngelove's far-fetched conspiracies have meaning.

+1 BuzZword....can you just say conspiiiiiracies one more time please I dont think they heard you in china.

You'll have to build your own forum for that purpose and find a way to attract people to it or learn how too interrelate with people here on CC on something other than a delusional narcisstic sarcastic level where you actually begin to deal with the evidence others bring to the table in a meaningful way. That is if you want anyone to care two pennies as to what you have to say.

I do have my own forum where Christians talk openly about conspiracies and other such material without having to put up with pompous condescension around every corner.

I've dealt with your evidence. I've said they are lying. You've dealt with my evidence. You said they are lying. So we both think the others sources are lying. So we'll just have to keep bringing forth evidence and let the thread reader decide. If you THINK your sources are somehow more reliable than mine then I guess thats just a bonus for you eh? no need to keep going on about it.

 

[Strangelove]

So Eric Phelps is a primary source for your epstimology (e.g. your body of knowledge)?

I've not read his book on the Vatican but is this the same Phelps that is reputed to hate Christians who oppose New Age occultism while asserting the Jesuits are responsible for just about everything diabolical in the world since 1540 ordering the hit on JFK; running the Korean and Vietnam Wars; secretly controlling all the world’s banks; secretly running the U.S. Congress and all U.S. presidents, that Roman Catholic priests are all actual spies with many trained as assasians, that they are behind all of the world's important fraternal orders, supervise the world's economic and political forums, control Wall Street, and founded both Communism and Nazism?

The same Phelps that asserts the Protocols of the Elders of Zion are 100% fact?

Sounds about right. The only thing he misses is the Talmudic jewish connection and they're place in the hierarchy.

In answer to your question...I already mentioned way back in my first post on Phelps that I dont agree with everything he says, he just has good info on the jesuit order.

 

[Strangelove]

A decree signed under secular pressure by Pope Clement XIV in July 1773 suppressed the Order for a period but Pope Pius VII restored it with the bull Sollicitudo omium ecclesiarum in August 1814.

The doctrine of papal infallibility was not defined dogmatically (e.g. bona fina de fide credenda) until the First Vatican Council of 1870 and there are conditions for it.

Listen, I'm no Catholic who holds to papal infallibility but in the interests of truth you guys should at least try to understand what Papal infallibility actually is according to the Catholic Church. It's not enough to bring two documents that oppose each other from two different popes BEFORE papal infallibility was first defined and then to ignore the conditions of it.

Simply projecting your own view on it is a meaningless exercise. If you want to refute papal infallibility, you'll need to do so within context of what it actually is and not just set up a strawman of your own to knock down.

I dont care about papal infallibility, I want to know what the RCC guys think about the jesuits being suppressed.

Secular pressure huh? Great, that sounds about right as the jesuits were getting expelled from countries all over the world.

So why were they getting expelled?

 

[Muskokaman]

You can say whatever you want. People will have to use their brains to come to discern the truth.

Well SL if we think with our heads thats all fine and everything but......................What does your heart tell you.
Peoples brains have been responsible for the many divisions in the Christian faith that we have today. I.E Catholicism, Protestantism,Mormonism and more isms than you can shake a stick at.
It`s the old I know better than you adage.
We... meaning all of us here myself included will hear from time to time words from someone that really move us or motivate us to 1 particular end or another. I think what is needed here is a common bond between all brethren of Christ that we all can agree on and work from there. There are many Evangelists today, especially today who preach what the people want to hear NOT WHAT THEY NEED TO HEAR and like anything that you like to hear you will bend your ear to it much more readily than what you do not like to hear. Perhaps.....just perhaps forgiveness is the tool that is best suited to this type of debate.

Peace and Love

 

[Strangelove]

You can say whatever you want. People will have to use their brains to come to discern the truth.

Well SL if we think with our heads thats all fine and everything but......................What does your heart tell you.
Peoples brains have been responsible for the many divisions in the Christian faith that we have today. I.E Catholicism, Protestantism,Mormonism and more isms than you can shake a stick at.
It`s the old I know better than you adage.
We... meaning all of us here myself included will hear from time to time words from someone that really move us or motivate us to 1 particular end or another. I think what is needed here is a common bond between all brethren of Christ that we all can agree on and work from there. There are many Evangelists today, especially today who preach what the people want to hear NOT WHAT THEY NEED TO HEAR and like anything that you like to hear you will bend your ear to it much more readily than what you do not like to hear. Perhaps.....just perhaps forgiveness is the tool that is best suited to this type of debate.

Peace and Love

Erm...ok...People will have to use their hearts to discern the truth.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Ok, then I'll someone from the RCC answer your question about what they think of the suppression of the Jesuits for a period of time in their history.

I will point out that Protestantism certainly has the same type of thing occurring in the history of Protestantism. In fact, it's not unusual.

I do hope other posters found my comment regarding papal infallibility informative.

I dont care about papal infallibility, I want to know what the RCC guys think about the jesuits being suppressed.

Secular pressure huh? Great, that sounds about right as the jesuits were getting expelled from countries all over the world.

So why were they getting expelled?

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Would you mind spelling out which parts you agree with and which you don't. This will help us understand your position better.

Us Christians aren't clairvoyant .

Sounds about right. The only thing he misses is the Talmudic jewish connection and they're place in the hierarchy.

In answer to your question...I already mentioned way back in my first post on Phelps that I dont agree with everything he says, he just has good info on the jesuit order.

 

[Muskokaman]

Erm...ok...People will have to use their hearts to discern the truth.

You see.... I knew you were a smart cookie......maybe just caught up in defense of your own viewpoint.
Keep your stick on the ice were all in this together lol.

Selah

 

[Muskokaman]

1. Matthew 6:33 (Whole Chapter)
   But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

1. Matthew 6:33 (Whole Chapter)
   But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Matthew 6:33 (Whole Chapter)
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Have you ever noticed how sometimes when we feel so strongly about a viewpoint we have that we will go to what would seem like almost any lengths to impart this upon others.
Just sayin`s all

 

[Strangelove]

Would you mind spelling out which parts you agree with and which you don't. This will help us understand your position better.

Us Christians aren't clairvoyant .

I agree that Jesuits are an integral part of the GOLEM beast system that runs the world conspiracy, but disagree that they are the masterminds. The talmudic pharisees are the boyz at the top. They are the Mother of Harlots not the RCC.

 

[rodogg]

Wait wait... Do people here think the Catholic Church is the whore of babylon?

 

[Strangelove]

Wait wait... Do people here think the Catholic Church is the whore of babylon?

Not me...I say shes a harlot daughter and a (very clever) decoy for the mamma.

See this thread:

LINK: MYSTERY, BABYLON

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Wait wait... Do people here think the Catholic Church is the whore of babylon?

If one looks at ALL the characteristics of who the mother is. The roman church as it has stood since about 300 AD is the closest match. no one else even comes close.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

The problem is that you dismiss substantiated facts, without a shred of emperical evidence to the contrary, so you can push a far-fetched agenda. Only what strangelove has to say matters to strangelove; nothing else does.

So if I say that George Washington was the first president and that is a historical fact with plenty of physical emperical evidence substantiated by qualified historical scholars and it doesn't fit with your conspiracy that George Washington was really murdered by the Jesuits and an imposter was the first president then you simply make a snarky comment and dismiss the aggregate of the world's evidence proving George Washington was, in fact, the first president (without proving he wasn't) because it doesn't fit with your conspiracy agenda.

That's the problem and we do not find it acceptable.

This is not the strangelove conspiracy hour where all real evidence and scholarship is meaningless and only starngelove's far-fetched conspiracies have meaning.

You'll have to build your own forum for that purpose and find a way to attract people to it or learn how too interrelate with people here on CC on something other than a delusional narcisstic sarcastic level where you actually begin to deal with the evidence others bring to the table in a meaningful way. That is if you want anyone to care two pennies as to what you have to say.

^ That is an accurate statement. You have not dealt with much of anything except to paste a quick wiki comment the source of which you didn't cite and a couple of authors considered spurious as you dismissed every single scholar, piece of evidence, and historically accepted fact brought to your atention without any evidence whatsoever but your own authority couched in a snarky sentence or two.

If I was to exercise your way of interrelating, I would just waive my hands and say Eric Phelps is a fraud as are any other of the sources you shared and move on to something relevant. That's how you've operated here and we're not going to stop pointing it out when you do so because it is not reasonable.

And while I can appreciate that you have a conspiracy forum where you guys cosign each other, this isn't that place.

Here you have to PROVE what you're asserting if you want us to accept it and DISPROVE what you don't accept. Since you fail to do so, we reject it. Your opinion isn't as important to us as it is to you. It's not what you think, it's what you can prove. That's how it works here strangelove. And we don't read minds either so start expressing what your positions are more coherently.

Right now, we have to play off bits and scraps of information you toss out there while you react to what people say in their attempt to figure out what your position is and where you're coming from because you won't express it well.

Substanciated by WHO? The RCC and people who have a 'Protestant' nametag? that doesnt make anything FACT. I advise people to listen to Alberto Riveras testimony and make up their own minds. You want to dismiss him as a phony regasrdless of the substanciated facts that prove he is an ex-jesuit priest.

Whats my far fetched agenda then?



You can say whatever you want. People will have to use their brains to come to discern the truth.



WE? Who's WE? All I see is you and a devout catholic getting the hump. the rest of the guys arn't complaining about anything.




+1 BuzZword....can you just say conspiiiiiracies one more time please I dont think they heard you in china.



I do have my own forum where Christians talk openly about conspiracies and other such material without having to put up with pompous condescension around every corner.

I've dealt with your evidence. I've said they are lying. You've dealt with my evidence. You said they are lying. So we both think the others sources are lying. So we'll just have to keep bringing forth evidence and let the thread reader decide. If you THINK your sources are somehow more reliable than mine then I guess thats just a bonus for you eh? no need to keep going on about it.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

There are competing candidates in Protestant epstimology that range from the RCC to the Roman Empire in some point of its history to simply a restored Babylon as the physical location being rebuilt. Some modern Protestant authors have even written they believe America will decline into the whore of babylon.

Wait wait... Do people here think the Catholic Church is the whore of babylon?

 

[Strangelove]

If one looks at ALL the characteristics of who the mother is. The roman church as it has stood since about 300 AD is the closest match. no one else even comes close.

Remember EG is a dispy and must protect the Mother (Jerusalem) at all costs.

The Harlot was around well before 300AD. She is the first people to ever cheat on God. Thats what Whore (זנה Pronounced zânâh or zaw-naw) means you know. To commit adultery. The Hebrews were Gods bride going all the way back to the OT.

(Ezekiel 16:35) Wherefore, O harlot, hear the word of the LORD:

(Ezekiel 16:36) Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thy filthiness was poured out, and thy nakedness discovered through thy whoredoms with thy lovers, and with all the idols of thy abominations, and by the blood of thy children, which thou didst give unto them;

Please identify in these verses:

1) Who is the harlot?
2) Who has commited whoredoms?
3) Who are the LOVERS?

 

[Strangelove]

Here you have to PROVE what you're asserting if you want us to accept it and DISPROVE what you don't accept.

What would satisfy you as PROOF that Alberto Rivera was an ex-jesuit priest?

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Ok, so let me see if I understand your position (I need to understand it before I can discuss it with you properly):

You believe that there exists a worldwide Jewish conspiracy with talmudic Pharisees controlling all the world's governments, economic systems, and large organized church bodies including the RCC through key players?

Is that correct?

I agree that Jesuits are an integral part of the GOLEM beast system that runs the world conspiracy, but disagree that they are the masterminds. The talmudic pharisees are the boyz at the top. They are the Mother of Harlots not the RCC.

 

[Strangelove]

There are competing candidates in Protestant epstimology that range from the RCC to the Roman Empire in some point of its history to simply a restored Babylon as the physical location being rebuilt. Some modern Protestant authors have even written they believe America will decline into the whore of babylon.

Very telling.

 

[Strangelove]

Ok, so let me see if I understand your position (I need to understand it before I can discuss it with you properly):

You believe that there exists a worldwide Jewish conspiracy with talmudic Pharisees controlling all the world's governments, economic systems, and large organized church bodies including the RCC through key players?

Is that correct?

Yes...obviously cuz talmudic pharisaism is the Mother of Harlots.