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If one looks at ALL the characteristics of who the mother is. The roman church as it has stood since about 300 AD is the closest match. no one else even comes close.
I'm not one for the pointless arguements and division I see as rife on this site, and as someone who is within the Catholic Church I can say it is most definitely not, for something so close to the heart of Jesus couldn't be. Of course there are bad people in every organisation, and all the more so in a Church that is leading people away from satan: he will want to corrupt that. Anyway, seeing as you said it, what is it that makes you think the Catholic Church is the whore of babylon, or anything close? The characteristics?
 
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Remember EG is a dispy and must protect the Mother (Jerusalem) at all costs.

The Harlot was around well before 300AD. She is the first people to ever cheat on God. Thats what Whore (זנה Pronounced zânâh or zaw-naw) means you know. To commit adultery. The Hebrews were Gods bride going all the way back to the OT.

(Ezekiel 16:35) Wherefore, O harlot, hear the word of the LORD:

(Ezekiel 16:36) Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thy filthiness was poured out, and thy nakedness discovered through thy whoredoms with thy lovers, and with all the idols of thy abominations, and by the blood of thy children, which thou didst give unto them;


Please identify in these verses:

1) Who is the harlot?
2) Who has commited whoredoms?
3) Who are the LOVERS?
One must remember. Strangelove must have the jews hated by all people. or his belief falls apart.

He has been shown OT prophesy which shows the WHOLE NATION of Israel being restored. after they have finished "PLAYING THE HARLOT" with the mother. And when this happens, the MOTHER who has treated Israel poorly will be utterly destroyed,

Ezekial says Israel will be punished for her Harloty. Jeremiah says her punishment is severe. But God will keep a remnant. And when her harlotry is repented of she will repent and be brought back to her land, And those who treated her badly will be destroyed.

EG does not have to protect Israel. Israel is EG's enemy, becayse she still has not found the gospel (just as Paul said in romans 11. But EG still loves Isreal (as he does ALL PEOPLE) because Israel is still considered the elect of God (for land purposes)
And as Paul said, when the times of the gentiles (the church) is completed. ALL israel will be saved.
 
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One must remember. Strangelove must have the jews hated by all people. or his belief falls apart.
Really? Why do my beliefs depend on peoples hatred towards "jews"?

If people love jews scripture shows that Jerusalem is the Mother.

If people hate jews scripture still shows that Jerusalem is the Mother.

No difference. Emotionality is irrelevant to the matter.
He has been shown OT prophesy which shows the WHOLE NATION of Israel being restored. after they have finished "PLAYING THE HARLOT" with the mother. And when this happens, the MOTHER who has treated Israel poorly will be utterly destroyed,

Ezekial says Israel will be punished for her Harloty. Jeremiah says her punishment is severe. But God will keep a remnant. And when her harlotry is repented of she will repent and be brought back to her land, And those who treated her badly will be destroyed.

EG does not have to protect Israel. Israel is EG's enemy, becayse she still has not found the gospel (just as Paul said in romans 11. But EG still loves Isreal (as he does ALL PEOPLE) because Israel is still considered the elect of God (for land purposes)
And as Paul said, when the times of the gentiles (the church) is completed. ALL israel will be saved.
Jewish fables of futurism.

EG has fails to realise that all flesh promises have been fulfilled and that the Church is the only Israel that are heirs to any good thing now and in the future.
 
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jewish fables of futurism.
EG has fails to realise that all flesh promises have been fulfilled and that the Church is the only Israel that are heirs to any good thing now and in the future.


So when have the northern and southern kingdoms been restored to canaan? When were they brought back by God? When did God bring them back from the gentiles who God used to punish them for their harlotry, and then destroy these gentiles because they treated them harshly? When have they lived in peace? Had no worry about disease, or famine? Or worry about their enemies because their enemies have been destroyed?

When was the covenent made? and then defiled?

One must ignore half of OT prophesy to believe as strangelove does.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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A careful, properly conducted and evidenced, refutation of the many properly conducted and evidenced independent and Protestant investigations (and the physical and first-hand evidence and testimony they catalogued) conducted by an independent investigating body (not Chick publications or those associated with Chick Publications) that showed the independent and Protestant investigations and evidence they compiled were in error. That would swing the door wide open again for me.

Unfortunately for Alberto supporters, it does not exist and is never expected to exist... the primary reason being that the investigations have already been completed so there would need to be a credible new witness come forward with substantiable evidence to undo the many careful investigations that were conducted into the life of Alberto Rivera.

For example, if a Spanish official came forward and provided documentation from the Archivo Historico National of Spain providing verified records of the documentation SantoSubitoiend previously asked for (something that was requested from them but which they publicly acknowledged they did not have when queried by investigating bodies looking into Rivera's claims) or an RCC defector came forward with verifiable documentation to that effect.

As it stands right now, the evidence is weighted heavily against Alberto Rivera.

I'm reading an interesting book here by a Catholic apologist that attempts to carefully document Alberto Rivera's claims from the Catholic perspective titled 'Catholicism and fundamentalism' by Karl Keating. It's always good to look at all sides.

What would satisfy you as PROOF that Alberto Rivera was an ex-jesuit priest?
 
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OK. Now we know your position. You believe in a satanic worldwide conspiracy with talmudic pharisees controlling the world through key players including the Roman Catholic Church.

What we need next from you are your sources that prove this. Obviously, not all once. But in the course of the discussion, support what you assert for your theory using them so we can qualify them.

It's not really important whether or not we agree with you. Opinions only matter to the extent they can be proven. So what is important is that you attempt to prove your hypothesis with meaningful substantiable evidence.

For example, a neighbor down the street believes Hitler lives in the center of the earth and is preparing a fourth reich to take over the earth. When I asked him for his evidence he gave me this:

William Yenne, “Adolf Hitler and the Concave Earth Cult,” Secret Weapons of World War II: The Techno-Military Breakthroughs That Changed History (New York: Berkley Books, 2003)

I pointed out to my neighbor that William Yenne actually asserts on page 271-272 that this is an impossible idea (apparently my neighbor didn't comprehend what he read before handing me the book as "proof"). I then used scholarly scientific sources to show him that it is impossible for a human being to live in the center of our earth. He rejected all of these and continues to believe in the return of Hitler from the center of the earth. But at least he doesn't use that book as a source anymore... lol.

Now contrast that with a friend who believes in the residual UFO (RUFO) theory which asserts that after all UFO claims and evidences that can be falsified or explained away are; there exists a very small residual of claims that cannot. The theory argues these are contacts with demons through occult involvement. Honestly, he has some credible sources to this effect so I'm open to his theory. The point is that the evidence includes confirmed substatiable physical evidence, fairly good testimony, and some scholarly work by some reputable scientists into this theory that make it plausible.

So well I'm somewhat open to RUFO theory, because of the quality and presence of evidence, I'm completely closed to my neighbor's idea that Hitler is building a secret army in the center of the earth because of the lack of and, in fact, credible evidence to the contrary.

This is how it works strangelove. It's not what you think, it's what you can prove.

Yes...obviously cuz talmudic pharisaism is the Mother of Harlots.
 
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So when have the northern and southern kingdoms been restored to canaan? When were they brought back by God? When did God bring them back from the gentiles who God used to punish them for their harlotry, and then destroy these gentiles because they treated them harshly? When have they lived in peace? Had no worry about disease, or famine? Or worry about their enemies because their enemies have been destroyed?

When was the covenent made? and then defiled?
All fulfilled in Jesus Christ the King.

But you dont believe in Jesus the King do you?
 
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A careful, properly conducted and evidenced, refutation of the many properly conducted and evidenced independent and Protestant investigations (and the physical and first-hand evidence and testimony they catalogued) conducted by an independent investigating body (not Chick publications or those associated with Chick Publications) that showed the independent and Protestant investigations and evidence they compiled were in error. That would swing the door wide open again for me.

Unfortunately for Alberto supporters, it does not exist and is never expected to exist... the primary reason being that the investigations have already been completed so there would need to be a credible new witness come forward with substantiable evidence to undo the many careful investigations that were conducted into the life of Alberto Rivera.

For example, if a Spanish official came forward and provided documentation from the Archivo Historico National of Spain providing verified records of the documentation SantoSubitoiend previously asked for (something that was requested from them but which they publicly acknowledged they did not have when queried by investigating bodies looking into Rivera's claims) or an RCC defector came forward with verifiable documentation to that effect.

As it stands right now, the evidence is weighted heavily against Alberto Rivera.

I'm reading an interesting book here by a Catholic apologist that attempts to carefully document Alberto Rivera's claims from the Catholic perspective titled 'Catholicism and fundamentalism' by Karl Keating. It's always good to look at all sides.
Huh? The refutations to all your investigations is that they are LIES to smear the man. Thats all there is. There is no other refutaion.

LOLZ! Documentation is what you want?

It's been provided and you cry FAKE!

Again I ask, what would satisfy you as proof?
 
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OK. Now we know your position. You believe in a satanic worldwide conspiracy with talmudic pharisees controlling the world through key players including the Roman Catholic Church.

What we need next from you are your sources that prove this. Obviously, not all once. But in the course of the discussion, support what you assert for your theory using them so we can qualify them.

It's not really important whether or not we agree with you. Opinions only matter to the extent they can be proven. So what is important is that you attempt to prove your hypothesis with meaningful substantiable evidence.

For example, a neighbor down the street believes Hitler lives in the center of the earth and is preparing a fourth reich to take over the earth. When I asked him for his evidence he gave me this:

William Yenne, “Adolf Hitler and the Concave Earth Cult,” Secret Weapons of World War II: The Techno-Military Breakthroughs That Changed History (New York: Berkley Books, 2003)

I pointed out to my neighbor that William Yenne actually asserts on page 271-272 that this is an impossible idea (apparently my neighbor didn't comprehend what he read before handing me the book as "proof"). I then used scholarly scientific sources to show him that it is impossible for a human being to live in the center of our earth. He rejected all of these and continues to believe in the return of Hitler from the center of the earth. But at least he doesn't use that book as a source anymore... lol.

Now contrast that with a friend who believes in the residual UFO (RUFO) theory which asserts that after all UFO claims and evidences that can be falsified or explained away are; there exists a very small residual of claims that cannot. The theory argues these are contacts with demons through occult involvement. Honestly, he has some credible sources to this effect so I'm open to his theory. The point is that the evidence includes confirmed substatiable physical evidence, fairly good testimony, and some scholarly work by some reputable scientists into this theory that make it plausible.

So well I'm somewhat open to RUFO theory, because of the quality and presence of evidence, I'm completely closed to my neighbor's idea that Hitler is building a secret army in the center of the earth because of the lack of and, in fact, credible evidence to the contrary.

This is how it works strangelove. It's not what you think, it's what you can prove.
What a load of boring waffle.

Exactly what kind of sources could I bring to you to 'prove' a satanic pharisee conspiracy that you couldnt cry FAKE at?

World finance is controlled by talmudic pharisees
Freemasonry is a pharisee institution
Communism is run by talmudic pharisees
Talmudic pharisees have hate laws that protect them and their terrorist state
Media is controlled by talmudic pharisees
Talmudic pharisees are the most active 'lobbyers' in the affairs of the politics of the biggest world powers.

Investigate these things for yourself and maybe you can find your own sources. Maybe then you can satisfy yourself. Something I bet only you are capable of doing....and probably very good at too....having had much practice... lolz.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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All fulfilled in Jesus Christ the King.

But you dont believe in Jesus the King do you?

Yep here we go again. Refuses to answer. Because He CAN"T Answer

don't expect me or others to fall for your belief when you can not answer specific questions concerning OT prophesy


ps. Jesus is MY King. He is not the Earth's king. It still belongs to satan. that is why there is still a battle.
Satan has not yet been BOUND
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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Calm down strangelove. You're becoming overly emotional and it's negatively affecting your ability to communicate rationally. Try to find an emotionally balanced place inside your soul (e.g. mind and heart) when you feel the rollercoaster of strong (I could postulate almost manical emotions by responses such as this one) emotions take hold of you.

Now you've provided a fast wiki paste job and a couple of books from very spurious authors. You have not actually proven anything. Merely asserting something is true is not the same as proving it is. That's one of the points we've been trying to get through to you.

At this point, you should be gathering and sharing evidences for your position. Not flying off the handle and ranting that you already have (when you have not) when asked to do so.

Huh? The refutations to all your investigations is that they are LIES to smear the man. Thats all there is. There is no other refutaion.

LOLZ! Documentation is what you want?

It's been provided and you cry FAKE!

Again I ask, what would satisfy you as proof?
 

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One must remember. Strangelove must have the jews hated by all people. or his belief falls apart.
just unbelievable.

the guys running the great Harlot aren't semites EG.
not Herews.
never were.

your slanderous antisemitism remarks are disgraceful.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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The burden of proving your hypothesis is on you not us. You're the one asserting there is a talmudic pharisee controlled world wide conspiracy. So begin providing emperical evidences for people to qualify for this one to many relationship you've outlined:

Relational Set:

talmudic pharisees ---> (world financial system(s), freemasonry, communism/nazism, terrorist states, media conspiracy, etc...)

Just pick a realtionship, say talmudic pharisees and world financial system(s), and attempt to prove that the world's financial system(s) are controlled by talmudic pharisess... that is if you can.


What a load of boring waffle.

Exactly what kind of sources could I bring to you to 'prove' a satanic pharisee conspiracy that you couldnt cry FAKE at?

World finance is controlled by talmudic pharisees
Freemasonry is a pharisee institution
Communism is run by talmudic pharisees
Talmudic pharisees have hate laws that protect them and their terrorist state
Media is controlled by talmudic pharisees
Talmudic pharisees are the most active 'lobbyers' in the affairs of the politics of the biggest world powers.

Investigate these things for yourself and maybe you can find your own sources. Maybe then you can satisfy yourself. Something I bet only you are capable of doing....and probably very good at too....having had much practice... lolz.
 
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The burden of proving your hypothesis is on you not us. You're the one asserting there is a talmudic pharisee controlled world wide conspiracy. So begin providing emperical evidences for people to qualify for this one to many relationship you've outlined:

Relational Set:

talmudic pharisees ---> (world financial system(s), freemasonry, communism/nazism, terrorist states, media conspiracy, etc...)

Just pick a realtionship, say talmudic pharisees and world financial system(s), and attempt to prove that the world's financial system(s) are controlled by talmudic pharisess... that is if you can.
No ...oh hand on a second here.............where is that.........oh yeah here it is...

God knows of the wickedness of those who say they are Jews and are not!

Just sayings all

Selah
 

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eternally-gratefull

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just unbelievable.

the guys running the great Harlot aren't semites EG.
not Herews.
never were.

your slanderous antisemitism remarks are disgraceful.

wow, people need to make up their mind. All the OT scripture which you show hebrew peoples being called the mother. And Jerusalem being the harlot. And now they are not hebrews?

wow!
 
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Yep here we go again. Refuses to answer. Because He CAN"T Answer

don't expect me or others to fall for your belief when you can not answer specific questions concerning OT prophesy


ps. Jesus is MY King. He is not the Earth's king. It still belongs to satan. that is why there is still a battle.
Satan has not yet been BOUND
Does Jesus have ALL authority in Heaven AND ON EARTH?
 
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The burden of proving your hypothesis is on you not us. You're the one asserting there is a talmudic pharisee controlled world wide conspiracy. So begin providing emperical evidences for people to qualify for this one to many relationship you've outlined:

Relational Set:

talmudic pharisees ---> (world financial system(s), freemasonry, communism/nazism, terrorist states, media conspiracy, etc...)

Just pick a realtionship, say talmudic pharisees and world financial system(s), and attempt to prove that the world's financial system(s) are controlled by talmudic pharisess... that is if you can.
What would satisfy you as proof?

Even if I quoted talmudic jews themselves admitting they control the worlds media would that do any good?

Even if I quoted the talmud saying its acceptable for jews to lie and cheat and steal from gentiles and that they must bring the world to its knees or destroy those who oppose..... would that prove anything to you?

Even if I outlined the dominant power of the Rothschild financial empire what would that mean to you? Lolz...even a Rothschild admitting he controls the worlds finances wouldnt make any difference to you would it?
 
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wow, people need to make up their mind. All the OT scripture which you show hebrew peoples being called the mother. And Jerusalem being the harlot. And now they are not hebrews?

wow!
APOSTATES!!

Always has been always will be.

A REAL Hebrew obeyed Yahweh. The APOSTATES fornicated. They called themselves hebrews but were not.

A REAL Jew is CHRISTIAN. The APOSTATES fornicate. The call themselves jews but are not.

How about YOU make up your mind. Is the Mother paganism in general or is it the RCC church?