Wow!

Abiding · Aug 29, 2011

Well i dont see it that way. The early church was all Israel and pentecost was jews from every nation which fulfilled
alot of prophesy. Later the gentiles were grafted in. I never said the time of Israel ended with Christ. Alot of Israel
prophesy took affect with the promised Kingdom Jesus brought. Which was never promised to the natural descendants of Abraham
anyway.

Im not aware of natural seed promises. Sounds weird to me. Is there gona be a natural seed promise to the gentiles
too? Abe was a gentile.

Strangelove · Aug 29, 2011

EG your getting picked apart by pretty much every intelligent Christian in this forum.

On every thread.

Why dont you just stop and THINK for a day.

Katy-follower · Aug 29, 2011

Food for thought.....

The whore of Babylon, scripturally, is Roman.

Characteristics of Babylon.......

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]1. Abundant in treasures--Jeremiah 51:13.[/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica]2. All connected with her are made rich (not riches of heaven)--Revelation 18:19.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]3. Are liars--Jeremiah 50:36.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]4. Are mad (lost their reason) upon their idols--Jeremiah 50:38.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]5. Beasts inhabit--Isaiah 13:21-22.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]6. Believes that God does not dwell with humanity (Christ's nature before fall)--Daniel 2:11.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]7. Believes they are gods--Isaiah 47:8, 10.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]8. Besieges God's professed church until it falls captive--2 Kings 24:10-12, 25:1-4; Jeremiah 39:1-2.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]9. Breaks bones of God's people--Jeremiah 50:17.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]10. Breaks down walls of God's professed church--2 Kings 25:9; 2 Chronicles 36:19; Ezra 5:12; Jeremiah 39:8.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]11. Builds city and tower whose top reaches unto heaven--Genesis 11:4.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]12. Builds great image of man for all to worship--Daniel 3:1-7.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]13. Burns with fire God's professed church--2 Kings 25:9; 2 Chronicles 36:19; Jeremiah 21:10, 38:23, 39:8.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]14. Camps against God's professed church until is succumbs--Jeremiah 52:4-7.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]15. Carries away treasures (precious truths) out of God's once faithful church--2 Kings 24:13; 2 Chron 36:7, 10, 18.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]16. Carries away all the mighty men--2 Kings 24:14.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]17. Casts out God's people--Jeremiah 51:34.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]18. Causes God's people to be slain--Jeremiah 51:49.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]19. Celebration is in her midst--Jeremiah 51:39.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]20. Commands all to worship image of man at sound of music--Daniel 3:1-7.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]21. Completely captivates majority of members until only a remnant remain--2 Kings 25:11-12, 22; 2 Chronicles 36:20; Ezra 5:12; Jeremiah 39:9-10, 40:11.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]22. Completely removes all precious vessels which were once held by God's church--2 Kings 25:13-17.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]23. Connected with hell--Isaiah 14:9.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]24. Connected with Mysteries of spiritualism--Revelation 17:5.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]25. Connected with scarlet-colored beast (secret societies)--Revelation 17:3.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]26. Connected with ships (other churches)--Revelation 18:17.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]27. Connected with spiritualism--Ezekiel 21:21.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]28. Corrupts earth with fornication--Revelation 19:2.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]29. Crushes God's people--Jeremiah 51:34.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]30. Cuts down people as trees--Isaiah 14:8.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]31. Cuts in pieces precious vessels of God's once faithful church--2 Kings 24:13, 25:13; 2 Chronicles 36:19.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]32. Deals in slaves--Revelation 18:13.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]33. Deals in souls of men--Revelation 18:13.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]34. Deceives by sorceries--Revelation 18:23.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]35. Defiles sacred vessels and precious things of God's design--Daniel 5:2-4.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]36. Destroys all the earth--Jeremiah 51:25.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]37. Destroys God's heritage--Jeremiah 50:11.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]38. Devours God's people--Jeremiah 51:34.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]39. Does evil among God's people--Jeremiah 51:24.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]40. Does not consider her possible destruction (does not lay these things to heart)--Isaiah 47:7.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]41. Does not glorify God--Daniel 5:23.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]42. Does not remember warnings given about her destruction--Isaiah 47:7.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]43. Does not want to fight outwardly--Jeremiah 51:30.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]44. Does violence to God's people--Jeremiah 51:35.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]45. Does what she wants to, yet believes she will see no sorrow (no punishment or judgment for her actions)-- Revelation 18:7.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]46. Drunken with the blood of God's saints--Revelation 17:6.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]47. Dwells carelessly--Isaiah 47:8.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]48. Dwells upon many waters--Jeremiah 51:13.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]49. Employs reapers to harvest fields (sown with seeds of falsehood)--Jeremiah 50:16.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]50. Employs sowers (to spread seeds of falsehood)--Jeremiah 50:16.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]51. Fears not the Lord--2 Kings 17:25.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]52. Full of astonishment--Jeremiah 25:10.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]53. Full of falsehoods--Jeremiah 51:17.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]54. Full of pomp--Isaiah 14:11.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]55. Full of unclean birds--Jeremiah 50:39.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]56. Full of wild beasts--Jeremiah 50:39.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]57. Full of vanity--Jeremiah 51:18.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]58. Given to pleasure--Isaiah 47:8.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]59. Glorifies herself--Revelation 18:7.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]60. Great majority of wise men are liars and corrupt--Daniel 2:2, 9.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]61. Grows fat (on sin)--Jeremiah 50:11.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]62. Has broad walls--Jeremiah 51:58.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]63. Has daughters--Jeremiah 50:42.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]64. Has high gates--Jeremiah 51:58.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]65. Has trial (inquisition) to determine crimes against her decrees--Daniel 3:13-15.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]66. Heart is lifted up--Daniel 5:20.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]67. Her captains are drunk and asleep--Jeremiah 51:57.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]68. Her cities (churches) are a dry land (no refreshing of the latter rain)--Jeremiah 51:43.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]69. Her cities (churches) are a wilderness--Jeremiah 51:43.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]70. Her cities (churches) are desolate (no Saviour)--Jeremiah 51:43.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]71. Her cry (glory) is found in ships--Isaiah 43:14.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]72. Her men are brutish in their own knowledge--Jeremiah 51:17.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]73. Her mighty men are drunk and asleep--Jeremiah 51:57.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]74. Her princes are drunk and asleep--Jeremiah 51:57.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]75. Her rulers are drunk and asleep--Jeremiah 51:57.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]76. Her waves (ministers--those raised up above the level of the sea or people) do roar--Jeremiah 51:55.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]77. Her wise men are drunk and asleep--Jeremiah 51:57.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]78. Highest leader becomes angry when his will is disregarded for God's will--Daniel 3:19.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]79. Highest leader makes hasty decisions--Daniel 2:15.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]80. Holds God's people captive--Jeremiah 50:33.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]81. Is clothed in gorgeous apparel (but not the robe of Christ's righteousness)--Revelation 17:4, 18:16.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]82. Is covetous--Jeremiah 51:13.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]83. Is desolate--Jeremiah 25:10; Revelation 17:6.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]84. Is filled with delicacies--Jeremiah 51:34.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]85. Is full of abominations--Revelation 17:4.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]86. Is full of filthiness--Revelation 17:4.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]87. Is full of mingled-people (mixed-multitude)--Jeremiah 50:37.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]88. Is great and mighty in eyes of world--Revelation 17:18, 18:10, 16.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]89. Is intimately connected with merchants--Isaiah 47:15; Revelation 18:3.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]90. Is lustful--Revelation 18:14.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]91. Is naked--Revelation 17:16; Isaiah 47:3.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]92. Is perverted--Isaiah 47:10.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]93. Is proud against the Lord--Jeremiah 50:29, 31-32.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]94. Keeps God's people captive as prisoners--Isaiah 14:17.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]95. Language was confounded (confused)--Genesis 11:7-9.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]96. Lifts up self against the Lord--Daniel 5:23.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]97. Lives deliciously--Revelation 18:7[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]98. Lucifer is her king--Isaiah 14:4, 12.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]99. Made up of many nations (churches) flowing (uniting) into one--Jeremiah 51:44.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]100. Makes all nations (churches) commit fornication with her--Revelation 14:8, 18:3.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]101. Makes all nations (churches) drink of her wine (false doctrines)--Revelation 14:8, 18:3[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]102. Makes all the earth drunken--Jeremiah 51:7; Revelation 17:2.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]103. Makes all the earth mad (without reason)--Jeremiah 51:7.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]104. Makes God's people empty--Jeremiah 51:34.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]105. Makes inhabitants of earth commit fornication with her--Revelation 17:2.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]106. Mind hardened by pride--Daniel 5:20.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]107. Mounts up to heaven--Jeremiah 51:53.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]108. Not humble of heart, even though aware of God's will--Daniel 5:22.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]109. Once had (heavenly) craftsmen in her, but no more--Revelation 18:22.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]110. Once had (heavenly) music in her, but no more--Revelation 18:22.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]111. Once had the light of a candle in her, but no more (no more light of God's truths--candlestick removed)--Jeremiah 25:10; Revelation 18:23.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]112. Once had the sound of a millstone in her (grinding out seed or hammering out the truth), but no more--Jeremiah 25:10; Revelation 18:22.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]113. Once had the voice of the bride in her (was once the true church), but no more--Jeremiah 25:10; Revelation 18:23.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]114. Once had the voice of the Bridegroom (Christ) in her, but no more--Jeremiah 25:10; Revelation 18:23.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]115. Once had the voice of gladness (gospel of Christ) within, but no more--Jeremiah 25:10.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]116. Once had the voice of mirth within, but no more--Jeremiah 25:10.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]117. Once was clean and pure, but now is a cage (closed structure) of every unclean and hateful bird--Revelation 18:2.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]118. Once was the habitation of God's angels, but now is the habitation of devils--Revelation 18:2.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]119. Once was the hold of the Holy Spirit, but now is the hold of every foul spirit--Revelation 18:2.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]120. Oppresses--Isaiah 14:4; Jeremiah 50:16, 33.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]121. Persecutes by fire all who do not bow and worship image of man--Daniel 3:6.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]122. Places relatives in high positions of leadership (nepotism)--2 Kings 24:17.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]123. Practices abundant enchantments--Isaiah 47:8, 12.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]124. Practices divination--Ezekiel 21:21.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]125. Practices sorcery--Isaiah 47:9, 12.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]126. Produces evildoers--Isaiah 14:20.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]127. Produces other harlots--Revelation 17:5.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]128. Puts on pretense of piety--Isaiah 47:1.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]129. Refuses to be healed of sin--Jeremiah 51:9.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]130. Refuses to let go of God's people--Jeremiah 50:33.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]131. Reigns over others--Revelation 17:18.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]132. Reigns without a king (being a widow, or divorced by Husband)--Revelation 18:7.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]133. Replaces God's people with pagan believers--2 Kings 17:24.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]134. Sins have reached unto heaven (corporate probation closed)--Revelation 18:5.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]135. Sits on seven hills--Revelation 17:9.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]136. Sits upon many waters--Revelation 17:1, 15.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]137. Shows no mercy--Isaiah 47:6.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]138. Shows no respect for age--Isaiah 47:6.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]139. Sleeps a perpetual sleep--Jeremiah 51:39.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]140. Smites--Isaiah 14:6.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]141. Speaks with a great voice--Jeremiah 51:55.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]142. Strives against the Lord--Jeremiah 50:24.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]143. Swallows up God's people--Jeremiah 51:34.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]144. Takes away precious things belonging to God's people--Isaiah 39:6.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]145. Teaches immortality of the soul (a lady for ever)--Isaiah 47:7.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]146. Teaches that she will never be destroyed (a lady or church for ever)--Isaiah 47:7.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]147. The praise of the whole earth--Jeremiah 51:41.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]148. Tries to be worshiped as God--Isaiah 14:14.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]149. Tries to hide her nakedness--Isaiah 47:3.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]150. Tries to hide her shame--Isaiah 47:3.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]151. Tries to make themselves a name--Genesis 11:4.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]152. Tries to prevent separation (lest we be scattered)--Genesis 11:4.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]153. Tries to serve God and false gods at same time--2 Kings 17:32-33.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]154. Tries to unite all into one--Genesis 11:4.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]155. Trusts in wickedness--Isaiah 47:10.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]156. Unites God's precious vessels (truths) with corrupt vessels (false doctrines)--Ezra 5:14.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]157. Uses intimidation to bring about submission of will to worship image of man--Daniel 3:13-15.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]158. Uses slime as mortar for the walls of Babylon--Genesis 11:3.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]159. Waters are dried up--Jeremiah 50:38.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]160. Worships false gods--Isaiah 21:9.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]161. Worships idols--Jeremiah 50:2.[/FONT]

Continued below...........

Katy-follower · Aug 29, 2011

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]Why Does God's Once Faithful Church Become Part of Babylon[/FONT]...

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]1. Because her precious vessels are removed--Daniel 1:2.[/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica]2. Because her precious vessels are united with Babylonian treasures--Daniel 1:2.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]3. Because her shepherds (ministers) caused their sheep (members) to go astray--Jeremiah 50:6.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]4. Because her sins reach unto heaven (corporate probation closed)--Jeremiah 51:9.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]5. Because her strength is placed in the church, not in God--Ezekiel 24:2, 21.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]6. Because highest leader becomes blind--2 Kings 25:7; Jeremiah 39:7; Jeremiah 52:11.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]7. Because highest leader does evil in God's sight--2 Chronicles 36:5.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]8. Because highest leader hardens neck against God--2 Chronicles 36:13.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]9. Because highest leader is among thorns--2 Chronicles 33:11.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]10. Because highest leader makes covenant with Babylon leaders--Ezekiel 17:13.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]11. Because highest leader stiffens neck against God--2 Chronicles 36:13.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]12. Because majority of leaders and ministers follow after the abominations of other nations (churches)--2 Chron 36:14.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]13. Because majority of leaders and ministers transgress against God--2 Chronicles 36:14.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]14. Because of a famine occurring (no word of God) in midst of church--Jeremiah 52:6.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]15. Because of arrogance--Isaiah 14:5.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]16. Because of evil--Isaiah 13:11.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]17. Because of evil doing--Jeremiah 32:30, 32.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]18. Because of iniquity--Ezekiel 24:2, 23.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]19. Because of pride--Isaiah 14:5.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]20. Because of worshiping false gods--Acts 7:43.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]21. Because of rebellion--Ezekiel 17:12, 24:3.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]22. Because of there being no bread (no Saviour) in midst of church--Jeremiah 52:6.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]23. Because of transgressions--1 Chronicles 9:1.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]24. Because of wickedness--Isaiah 14:5.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]25. Because she allowed abominations to be practiced in midst--Jeremiah 32:33.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]26. Because she allowed scum to remain within her--Ezekiel 24:2, 6.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]27. Because she allowed strangers into midst--Jeremiah 51:51.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]28. Because she became polluted--2 Chronicles 36:14.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]29. Because she broke covenant made with God--Ezekiel 17:19.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]30. Because she chose to unite with Egypt (world) which occurs just before becoming part of Babylon--Ezek 17:15-18.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]31. Because she despises oath made with God--Ezekiel 17:19.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]32. Because she filled land (whole structure) with sin against the Lord--Jeremiah 51:5.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]33. Because she follows other gods--Jeremiah 32:35.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]34. Because she forgot her resting place (Jesus)--Jeremiah 50:6.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]35. Because she forgot sacredness of God's Sabbath--2 Chronicles 36:21.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]36. Because she harkened not to God's instructions--Jeremiah 32:33, 36:31.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]37. Because she is full of blood--Ezekiel 24:2, 6-9.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]38. Because she is full of filthiness--Ezekiel 24:2, 11.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]39. Because she is full of iniquity--Isaiah 14:5.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]40. Because she is full of lewdness--Ezekiel 24:2, 13.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]41. Because she is full of lies--Ezekiel 24:2, 12.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]42. Because she obeyed not God's voice--Jeremiah 40:2-3.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]43. Because she provoked God to anger--Jeremiah 32:32.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]44. Because she provoked God to wrath--Ezra 5:12.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]45. Because she refuses to be purged by God--Ezekiel 24: 2, 13.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]46. Because she sacrificed her children to false gods--Jeremiah 32:35.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]47. Because she sinned against the Lord--Jeremiah 50:7.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]48. Because she trespassed against God--Ezekiel 17:20.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]49. Because she turned back and not face to God--Jeremiah 32:33.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]50. Because the desire of her eyes was for the church, not for God--Ezekiel 24:2, 21.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]51. Because the joy of her glory was not Jesus--Ezekiel 24:2, 25.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]Things to Remember About Babylon[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]1. All inhabitants (members) are partakers of Babylon's sins--Revelation 18:4.[/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica]2. All inhabitants (members) are to receive of Babylon's judgments or plagues--Revelation 18:4.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]3. All inhabitants (members) will fall in the midst of Babylon--Jeremiah 51:47.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]4. All who are part of, or joined with, Babylon shall be destroyed--Isaiah 13:15, 14:22.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]5. Babylon falls piece by piece--Jeremiah 51:31.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]6. Babylon is likened to a destroying mountain--Jeremiah 51:25.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]7. Babylon is the dwelling place for dragons--Jeremiah 51:37.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]8. Babylon will fall suddenly and is completely unaware--Jeremiah 50:24, 51:8.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]9. Blood is upon all the inhabitants (members) of Babylon--Jeremiah 51:35.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]10. Even highest leader of Babylon will fall down and worship at feet of God's saints--Daniel 2:46.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]11. Even the ungodly realized that God's once chosen and faithful church was part of Babylon because she obeyed not God's voice--Jeremiah 40:2-3.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]12. God's once faithful church became connected with Babylon, but while many of His professed people were being slain because of it, God extended mercy to those who had no connection with the rebellious church--Jeremiah 39:16-18.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]13. God's once faithful church makes covenant with Babylon, but after it is made, the only way the church can continue to stand is by continuing with covenant--Ezekiel 17:14.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]14. God restores all His precious vessels (truths) only to those who separate from Babylon--Ezra 1:11, 5:14-15, 6:5.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]15. God's true people are to be delivered from midst of Babylon--Micah 4:10; Zechariah 2:7.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]16. Highest leader of God's professed church was captured and made prisoner, but finally gave up warfare and agreed to become a leader in Babylon--2 Kings 25:27-30; Jeremiah 52:31-34.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]17. Kings of the earth commit fornication with Babylon--Revelation 17:2, 18:3.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]18. Merchants lived on Babylon's delicacies--Revelation 18:3.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]19. Message of the fall of Babylon begins the time of harvest--Jeremiah 51:27, 33.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]20. Names changed when become part of Babylon--Daniel 1:7.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]21. No one is forced to leave Babylon to rebuild God's church--Ezra 7:13.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]22. Only health reform kept a small remnant pure while in Babylon--Daniel 1:8, 16.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]23. Only those who separated from Babylon to rebuilt God's church, and who were of one accord, can be written down on the new membership list of God's church--Nehemiah 7:5-13, 8:1.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]24. Only those who separate from Babylon will have God's covenant of peace--Jeremiah 32:36-44.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]25. Some of those who separate from Babylon are made to wear crowns of gold--Zechariah 6:10-15.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]26. Souls are held guilty of Babylon's sins if remain part of her--Jeremiah 51:6.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]27. Souls are lost if they remain part of Babylon--Jeremiah 51:6.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]28. Takes about three years to try and defile and corrupt God's people with Babylonian meat and wine--Dan 1:5, 8.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]29. The blood of all God's servants is found within Babylon--Revelation 18:24, 19:2.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]30. The least (weakest) of God's flock brings Babylon down--Jeremiah 50:45.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]31. There were three different attacks against church until it was completely conquered--Jeremiah 52:28-30.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]32. Those who separate to rebuild God's church are supported with freewill gifts--Ezra 7:15-17.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]33. Three parts make up Babylon the great--Revelation 16:19.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]34. When Babylon captures church only a poor remnant left--Jeremiah 52:16.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]35. When Babylon captures church she breaks down all her walls--Jeremiah 52:14.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]36. When Babylon captures church she breaks down all the great pillars supporting it--Jeremiah 52:17, 20-23.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]37. When Babylon captures church she burns it with fire--Jeremiah 52:13.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]38. When Babylon captures church she takes away all the precious vessels (truths)--Jeremiah 52:18-19.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]39. When church becomes part of Babylon, blindness occurs (eyes put out) and cannot really see that church and membership are indeed part of Babylon--Jeremiah 39:7; Ezekiel 12:13.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]40. When church becomes part of Babylon, her members become lost sheep--Jeremiah 50:6.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]41. When God calls for His people to separate from Babylon, it is a new beginning (1st day of 1st month)--Ezra 7:9.[/FONT]

zone · Aug 29, 2011

AgeofKnowledge said:

Wes Clark - America's Foreign Policy "Coup"

Wes Clark - America's Foreign Policy "Coup" - YouTube#!

Abiding · Aug 29, 2011

So what is this kind of propaganda for is it to test America?
Leak and look for reaction? Clark isnt that dumb.

AgeofKnowledge · Aug 29, 2011

A retired general was not happy with his Commander-in Chief's GWOT anti-terrorism policy which Bush and Rumsfield publicly shared in White House press briefings. No secrets here.

The presence of a GWOT anti-terrorism policy following 9/11 does not prove a talmudic jewish world domination conspiracy.

It just shows that the Executive Branch wanted to strike back at whom they perceived to be their enemies.

zone said:

AgeofKnowledge · Aug 29, 2011

You are so lazy. A lazy conspiracy buff that won't even do his homework but can find the energy to jump up and down that he's right. Why should anyone believe anything that you say.

Strangelove said:

zone · Aug 29, 2011

AgeofKnowledge said:

WHO IS TALKING ABOUT POST 9-11 ANTI-TERRORISM POLICY?

i guess you didn't hear him say he was told of the plans (Arab Spring 2011) in 1991...the same Sept 11, 1991 Bush Sr made his NEW WORLD ORDER speech.

PNAC
Welcome to the Project for the New American Century

PNAC
Project for the New American Century - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

NEOCONS
Paul Dundes Wolfowitz - SourceWatch

NEOCONS ARE TROTSYITES
WaPo: Neocon movement began with Leon Trotsky | Politics in the Zeros

Who are the main NeoCons:

Paul Wolfowitz,deputy secretary of defense is the NeoCon defense mastermind of the Bush administration
Donald Rumsfeld is defense secretary (since Wolfowitz is too controversial)
Douglas Feith, No. 3 at the Pentagon
Lewis "Scooter" Libby, a Wolfowitz protégé who is Cheney's chief of staff
John R. Bolton, a right-winger assigned to the State Department to keep Colin Powell in check
Elliott Abrams, recently appointed to head Middle East policy at the National Security Council.
James Woolsey,former CIA director, who tried repeatedly to link both 9/11 and the anthrax letters in the U.S. to Saddam Hussein
Richard Perle, who recently resigned as chair of a defense department advisory body after a lobbying scandal. His comment that day was "It is not about the oil."
Robert Kagan is a NeoCon propagandist who argues that Americans are 'martial' and Europeans 'pacifist.'
Irving Kristol(b. 1920), City College '40; co-editor of The Public Interest magazine; John M. Olin Distinguished Fellow at the American Enterprise Institute. Kristol said," Ever since I can remember, I’ve been a neo-something: a neo-Marxist, a neo-Trotskyist, a neo-liberal, a neo-conservative; in religion a neo-orthodox even while I was a neo-Trotskyist and a neo-Marxist. I’m going to end up a neo- that’s all, neo dash nothing."

NeoCons' Radical Foreign Policy for U.S. Global Empire- PeaceAware.com Analysis and Report April 10 2003

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let's start by determining who is actually running the american gov't.

Abiding · Aug 29, 2011

AgeofKnowledge said:

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What gave them the idea these were enemies? was it a Islam conspiracy theory?

zone · Aug 29, 2011

AgeofKnowledge said:

i'm not lazy AoK.
are you going to read what i post?
if not, say so now, i won't spend the time.

AgeofKnowledge · Aug 30, 2011

I never said you were. I've been busy building an Amazon webstore all day for a customer and just knocked off here at 10:21 pm (Pacific time). That's a long day. Glad I don't have to go to class afterwards like I did for so many years in the 'good old days' lol.

And I'll do some more date verifying and content digging when I get some free time. It doesn't prove anything but it is circumstantial if they had the invasion plans for all they did developed ahead of time (especially if it wasn't reactionary but they were expressing an intent to execute them as if it was a foregone conclusion). Interesting.

At least when I talk to you about 9/11, I don't feel like it was Col. Mustard using the lead pipe in the kitchen as when strangelove speaks about a worldwide talmudic jewish conspiracy where all the world's key leaders and systems are controlled by a handful of Pharisees (e.g. literal Pharisees no pun intended) ... lol.

Night... lol.

zone said:

AgeofKnowledge · Aug 30, 2011

The Christian conservatives were in the White House quite a bit at that time sharing the danger that radical Islam represented to Israel and Western countries.

Franklin stated Islam was "a very evil and wicked religion" in 2001 two years before the second Iraq War started. Hagee and some very pro-israel components of the Christian-American arm of the Israel lobby pushed hard to protect Israel from Iraq.

You skipped right over the massive American Christian push for the Iraq War and GWOT and went straight to a few Pharisees pulling everyone's strings in a Jewish global domination in the hands of a few Pharisee conspiracy right? But everyone's a pawn in the food chain that leads up to a handful of Pharisees pulling all the strings behind the scenes right?

Abiding said:

Consumed · Aug 30, 2011

Show the evidence is all I hear, they said Iraq had WMD s, all a crock.

God bless American foreign policy. Hence the world is as is. Liberate Palestine end of mid east conflict, at least to the murder of them.

Strangelove · Aug 30, 2011

Katy-follower said:

Katy...the OT scriptures you list are not just a scriptural fit for apostate Hebrewism, they are SPECIFICALLY written to and about apostate Israel/Jerusalem.

Jerusalem has always been the whore.

Strangelove · Aug 30, 2011

AgeofKnowledge said:

Lets do a thought experiment to see if its worth it.

You gimme proof that the Earth spins on its axis and I'll give you whatever evidence you want concerning the synagogue of satan. Should be easy enough right?

Lets see how easy it is for you to give me proof on summink you absolutely believe without any doubt.

Strangelove · Aug 30, 2011

AgeofKnowledge said:

The Christian conservatives were in the White House quite a bit at that time sharing the danger that radical Islam represented to Israel and Western countries.

Franklin stated Islam was "a very evil and wicked religion" in 2001 two years before the second Iraq War started. Hagee and some very pro-israel components of the Christian-American arm of the Israel lobby pushed hard to protect Israel from Iraq.

You skipped right over the massive American Christian push for the Iraq War and GWOT and went straight to a few Pharisees pulling everyone's strings in a Jewish global domination in the hands of a few Pharisee conspiracy right? But everyone's a pawn in the food chain that leads up to a handful of Pharisees pulling all the strings behind the scenes right?

Do you believe there is a push for centralization of political power into one world governance?

AKA....... A New World Order?

Abiding · Aug 30, 2011

AgeofKnowledge said:

The Christian conservatives were in the White House quite a bit at that time sharing the danger that radical Islam represented to Israel and Western countries.

Franklin stated Islam was "a very evil and wicked religion" in 2001 two years before the second Iraq War started. Hagee and some very pro-israel components of the Christian-American arm of the Israel lobby pushed hard to protect Israel from Iraq.

You skipped right over the massive American Christian push for the Iraq War and GWOT and went straight to a few Pharisees pulling everyone's strings in a Jewish global domination in the hands of a few Pharisee conspiracy right? But everyone's a pawn in the food chain that leads up to a handful of Pharisees pulling all the strings behind the scenes right?

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you got all that out of 14 words?

Katy-follower · Aug 30, 2011

Rev 17:9: ".....The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits" (the Whore)

Rome is historically known as the 'city of seven hills'. If you google, 'seven hills, Rome' you'll find numerous results, even revealing the names of the hills. Rome is known to have been built upon those 7 hills.

Rev 17:18: "And the woman whom you saw is that great city which reigns over the kings of the earth.”
John wrote this. He wrote the Revelations while he was on the Isle of Patmos. The disciples had been killed but John was spared. At the time of writing this scripture/seeing this vision, it was Rome who was ruling the world and persecuting the Christians.

Rev 17:4: "The woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet"
The principle colors for the hierarchy of the Roman leadership are purple and Scarlet. The cardinals wear scarlet robes at their official functions and the archbishops wear purple robes. Even the pope does. These are the colors of the church.

".....adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls"
Earthly riches. Jesus did not walk around wearing such things. The pope, who is known to be the 'Vicar of Christ on earth,' - you would think he would want to be more humble in his attire.

".....having in her hand a golden cup"
One of the principle things in the religion of the Roman Catholic church, one of the reasons the protestants protested and separated was dealing with the mass that the priest and the pope had the power, through their ritual, to convert the grape juice (the Catholics' is actually fermented)

"...the inhabitants of the earth were made drunk with the wine"
You can't get drunk with the wine in the protestant cups. The protestant cups use unfermented grape juice because it represents the blood of Christ, unfermented.
In the Catholic church, the cup is central to the religion - this golden cup that the priests drink from and they say they have the power to convert that grape juice into the blood of Christ. That's saying that man has the power to make God's body the bread and God's blood. But - no, the bread and wine is just symbolical! When Jesus was breaking the bread and giving them the juice, he said "this is my body, this is my blood" but Jesus was physically sitting there with his blood in his veins, so it had to be symbolical.
This was a big controversy that split the Christian church. Because man cannot create God from his rituals and incantations that come from Paganism.
The wine and that cup also represents all the teachings that the nations have been made drunk with.

Revelations 17:3: "...scarlet beast which was full of names of blasphemy"
Blasphemy is when a man puts himself in the place of God. In the official teachings of the Catholic church, the pope holds the place of God on earth. For example, Pope Leo XIII: "We hold upon this earth, the place of God almighty" and Pope Pius XI (in 1922) said: "You know that I am the Holy Father, the representative of God on the earth, the Vicar of Christ, which means I am God on the earth"
This is part of their official teaching. Also part of their teaching is that the pope cannot err. They've never retracted that. This is considered blasphemy.
(Note - when Jesus first said "the scriptures have been fulfilled" the Pharisees said it was blasphemy. This is where the word blasphemy is used in the bible as well as in the Revelations).

Look at this picture.... Jesus born in a barn, walking the dusty road, saying the son of man has nowhere to rest his head. Then you see the pope living in a virtual palace, surrounded by gold, living like a king. And it makes you wonder - is he the representative of Christ on the earth?

What did Satan want? Did he want the humility of Christ or did he want the kingship and the royalty?

What you really have is a counterfeit for Christ, or anti Christ.

............Some Facts.........
The Vatican is an independent Country. In 1929, under the Lateran Treaty, Vatican City was established as an independent State, with 109 acres within Rome. Less than 1000 people live in this small country, governed by the Pope, who has absolute, executive, Judicial and Political powers. Vatican City has it's own currency, their own military, postal system, rail road station, telephone service. Eventhough it's a small territory, 177 sovereign countries around the world have formal official relations with the Vatican.
(The bible does talk of this in the last day prophecy)

Pope's Third Encyclical, titled 'Love in truth' - is dealing with the economy. He waited to release this during the time of the G8 Summit, when the economic powerful leaders of the world were gathered in Italy to talk about the world's economic crisis. He releases a letter to talk about the economy.
Headlines - "Pope calls for 'God centered' Global Economy"
(Rev 13:17: "....no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast" - meaning there will be some kind of universal economic control on transactions)
July 7th, 2009 - "Pope Benedict XVI today called for reforming the United Nations and establishing a "true world political authority with "real teeth" to manage the Global economy with "God-centered" ethics"
The Pope is on very good terms with the United Nations.They control a good part of the world's wealth, so there is a lot of influence there.
Could something trigger Global fear? And a turn to religion (not for the love of God and truth, but for fear)?? And will people look around for a spiritual leader? Who would be the most prominent spiritual leader to help guide the United Nations??
Straight after Pope signs and releases the Encyclical, he has his first meeting with the president.
We have an ambassador to the Vatican with formal relations.
Pope gives gift to Obama - a signed white letter-bound copy of his Encyclical on the economy.
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Rev 13: "....to make an image to the beast" ".....and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed"

The Capital building below looks like a clone of the Vatican!!!!

Rev 13:3: ".....(a beast) it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed"

This explains how the Papacy was overthrown in Italy in 1798.

The papal wound was healed at the Lateran Concordat of 1929, when the papacy regained much of its power. Ever since, the papacy has grown more and more powerful and is the most powerful religio-political organization in the world.

zone · Aug 30, 2011

AgeofKnowledge said:

my oh my.
ya. islam the big bad bogey-man.
protect israel from iraq?
don't make me laugh.
israel has enough hightech weapons and nukes to finish us all off.

here's what american boys are dying for: not iraqi soldiers who yanked babies out of incubators (later discovered to be a sob story, total fabrication filmed in a hollywood studio, Saudi royalty actress plays the part of traumatized iraqi nurse).

there were NEVER WMD.

jessica lynch never fired a shot, was safe in an iraqi hospital being cared for: the whole rescue op was for the home TV crowd.

then Pat Tillman...football hero. finds out the truth when he gets there....WHACKED.

and anyways. now that saddam is gone: what are you still doing there?

could it have to do with the World's Largest and most Decadent Embassy? a luxury station for the regional overthrow? of course it is.

THE GRAND CHESSBOARD. as the Hageeites and Xtian zionists give all for Talmudism, people all around that illegally occupied land called israel keep dying. little boys are target practise as they sift through garbage heaps in their own ghettos. legs blown off by snipers in towers who believe what their Rabbis tell them: THE GOYIM ARE NOT HUMAN.

and nobody DARES TO QUESTION ANY OF THIS BECAUSE they never got around to reading Genesis 12 for themselves.

and they never questioned why the religion they are fighting for has nothing to do with Moses at all....it came straight from the bowels of Babylon.
and the jews they are fighting for believing they are Hebrews NEVER WERE. ever.

they are Khazars....gentiles claiming to be jews....EDOMITES.....but surely Jesus would have told us something this radical, wouldn't He?

oh well.....

carrying on.

Wow!

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