Yahweh and Yeshua: A Comparison and Contrast

Hizikyah · Nov 16, 2017

Exodus 34:5-7, "And יהוה came down in the cloud and stood with him there, and proclaimed the Name, יהוה, "And יהוה passed before him and proclaimed, “יהוה,יהוה, an compassionate Strength and showing favor, patient, and great in loving-commitment and truth, watching over loving-commitment for thousands, forgiving crookedness and transgression and sin, but by no means leaving unpunished,a visiting the crookedness of the fathers upon the children and the children’s children to the third and the fourth generation.”

Is YHWH aslo "the God" of:

Strength

Is YHWH aslo "the God" of:

showing favor,

Is YHWH aslo "the God" of:

patient,

Is YHWH aslo "the God" of:

great in loving-commitment

Is YHWH aslo "the God" of:

truth,

Is YHWH aslo "the God" of:

watching over loving-commitment for thousands,

Is YHWH aslo "the God" of:

forgiving crookedness and transgression and sin,

Or are only things that can be viewed in a negative manner applied?

Jesus says:

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Matthew 10:14-15, “And whoever does not receive you nor hear your words, when you leave that house or city, shake off the dust from your feet. Truly, I say to you, it shall be more bearable for the land of Seḏom and Amorah in the day of judgment than for that city!”[/FONT]

mcubed · Nov 16, 2017

G-d stepped down from heaven and took on the the form of man Philippians 2:7. The two are One.

Hizikyah · Nov 16, 2017

Is YHWH "our redeemer?" or only of war?

Isaiah 44:24, “Thus said יהוה, your Redeemer, and He who formed you from the womb, “I am יהוה, doing all, stretching out the heavens all alone, spreading out the earth, with none beside Me.”

I am not seeking to be rude but trying to illustrate a point.

To deny these things is to not honestly ascess the Word.

PS · Nov 16, 2017

Two beings who the people worship as God.

Hizikyah · Nov 16, 2017

PS said:

Scripture?

Hizikyah · Nov 16, 2017

Isaiah 45:21-22, “Declare and bring near, let them even take counsel together. Who has announced this from of old? Who has declared it from that time? Is it not I, יהוה? And there is no mighty one besides Me, a righteous Power and Savior, there is none besides Me. Turn to Me and be saved, all you ends of the earth! For I am Strength, and there is none else.”

John 3:16, “For יהוה so loved the world that He gave His only brought-forth Son, so that everyone who believes in Him should not perish but possess everlasting life.”

1 John 2:1-2, “My little children, I write this to you, so that you do not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Intercessor with the Father, יהושע Messiah, the righteous One. And He Himself is an atoning offering for our sins, and not for ours only but also for all the world.”

Isaiah 53:67-9, “We all, like sheep, went astray, each one of us has turned to his own way. And יהוה has laid on Him the crookedness of us all. He was oppressed and He was afflicted, but He did not open His mouth. He was led as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before its shearers is silent, but He did not open His mouth. He was taken from prison and from judgment. And as for His generation, who considered that He shall be cut off from the land of the living? For the transgression of My people He was stricken. And He was appointed a burial-site with the wrong, and with the rich at His death, because He had done no violence, nor was deceit in His mouth.”

Psalm 68:19, "Blessed be יהוה, Day by day He bears our burden, The Strength of our salvation! Selah."

“Jesus” is word #G2424 Ἰησοῦς Iesous (yee-sous') n/p., 1. (meaning) He is Salvation, Yahweh saves (i.e. the Savior) Root(s): H3442, See also: H3091

Root word of “Jesus” is word #G2424 Ἰησοῦς Iesous - H3442 יֵשׁוַּע Yeshuwa` (yay-shoo'-ah) n/l., 1. he will save. Root(s): H3091

Root word of “Jesus” is word #G2424 Ἰησοῦς Iesous - H3091 יְהוֹשׁוּעַ YhowShuw`a (yeh-ho-shoo'-ah) n/p., יְהוֹשֻׁעַ YhowShu`a (yeh-ho-shoo'-ah), 1. Yahweh-saved. Root(s): H3068, H3467, Compare: H1954, H3442

Magenta · Nov 16, 2017

PS · Nov 16, 2017

Hizikyah said:

Yahweh is Baal

Names like Esbaal (1 Chronicles 8:33; 9:39), Meribbaal (1 Chronicles 8:34; 9:40), Baaliada (1 Chronicles 14:7), given by Saul, Johnathen, and David to their sons, suggest that Yahweh was possibly spoken of as Baal. The fact has been disputed; but the existence of such a name as Baalia (i.e. "Yahweh is Baal", 1 Chronicles 12:5) and the affirmation of Osee (ii, 16) are arguments that cannot be slighted.

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Baal, Baalim

Hizikyah · Nov 16, 2017

PS said:

1 Chronicles 12:5 does not say that;

New International Version
Eluzai, Jerimoth, Bealiah, Shemariah and Shephatiah the Haruphite;

New Living Translation
Eluzai, Jerimoth, Bealiah, Shemariah, and Shephatiah from Haruph;

English Standard Version
Eluzai, Jerimoth, Bealiah, Shemariah, Shephatiah the Haruphite;

New American Standard Bible
Eluzai, Jerimoth, Bealiah, Shemariah, Shephatiah the Haruphite,

King James Bible
Eluzai, and Jerimoth, and Bealiah, and Shemariah, and Shephatiah the Haruphite,

PS said:

Ohh how you misuse and misunderstand the word...

Yeremyah 23:26-27, "How long will this be in the heart of the prophets who prophesy lies? Yes, they are prophets of the deceit of their own minds; Who devise; plan and scheme, to cause My people to forget My Name through their dreams, which they tell every man to his neighbor, just as their fathers have forgotten My Name for Baal (Lord)."

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Zephanyah 3:9, "Yes, at that time I will return to the peoples a pure language, so that all of them may call on the Name of YHWH, and serve Him with one accord."[/FONT]

Hosheyah 2:16-17, "And it will be in that day, says YHWH: that you will call Me Ishi; (My Husband), and will no longer call Me Baali; (My Lord). For I will take away the names of Baalim (1168 - Ba'al) out of her mouth, and their names will no longer be called upon!"

Yeremyah 16:19-21, "O YHWH, my strength and my fortress, my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles will come to You from the ends of the earth, and will say: Surely our fathers have inherited nothing but lies and vanity of no use at all! Do men make gods for themselves? Yes, but they are powerless! Therefore behold, I will make them to know--this time I will teach them My power and might; and they will know that My Name is YHWH!"

Hizikyah · Nov 16, 2017

Hosea 2:16-23, “And it shall be, in that day,” declares יהוה, “that you call Me Ishi (My Husband) and no longer call Me ‘My Ba‛al (My Lord). And I shall remove the names of the Ba‛als (Lords) from her mouth, and they shall no more be remembered by their name. And in that day I shall make a covenant for them with the beasts of the field, and with the birds of the heavens, and with the creeping creatures of the ground, when bow, and sword, and battle I break from the earth. And I shall make them lie down in safety. And I shall take you as a bride unto Me forever, and take you as a bride unto Me in righteousness, and in right-ruling, and loving-commitment and compassion. And I shall take you as a bride unto Me in trustworthiness, and you shall know יהוה, “And it shall be in that day that I answer,” declares יהוה, “that I answer the heavens, and they answer the earth, and the earth answer the grain and the new wine and the oil, and they answer Yizry‛yl. And I shall sow her for Myself in the earth, and I shall have compassion on her who had not obtained compassion. And I shall say to those who were not My people, ‘You are My people,’ while they say, ‘My Strength!”

Hizikyah · Nov 16, 2017

Do you believe Yahshua/Jesus?

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."[/FONT]

He quoted these 2 verses as the most important;

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Deuteronomy 6:5, “And you shall love[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]your Strength with all your heart, and with all your being, and with all your might.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Leviticus 19:18, ‘Do not take vengeance or bear a grudge against the children of your people. And you shall love your neighbour as yourself. I am [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif].”[/FONT]

PS · Nov 16, 2017

Hizikyah said:

Hosea 2:16-23, “And it shall be, in that day,” declares יהוה, “that you call Me Ishi(My Husband) and no longer call Me ‘My Ba‛al (My Lord). And I shall remove the names of the Ba‛als (Lords)from her mouth, and they shall no more be remembered by their name. And in that day I shall make a covenant for them with the beasts of the field, and with the birds of the heavens, and with the creeping creatures of the ground, when bow, and sword, and battle I break from the earth. And I shall make them lie down in safety. And I shall take you as a bride unto Me forever, and take you as a bride unto Me in righteousness, and in right-ruling, and loving-commitment and compassion. And I shall take you as a bride unto Me in trustworthiness, and you shall know יהוה, “And it shall be in that day that I answer,” declares יהוה, “that I answer the heavens, and they answer the earth, and the earth answer the grain and the new wine and the oil, and they answer Yizry‛yl. And I shall sow her for Myself in the earth, and I shall have compassion on her who had not obtained compassion. And I shall say to those who were not My people, ‘You are My people,’ while they say, ‘My Strength!”

There you are. They were worshipping Baal.

Hizikyah · Nov 16, 2017

PS said:

Yes wrongfully as the verse you quote said..

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Judges 3:7, “Thus the children of Yisra’yl did evil in the eyes of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], and forgot [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]their Strentgh, and served the Ba‛als and the Ashĕrahs.”[/FONT][/FONT]

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2 Kings 10:26-28, “and brought out the pillars of the house of Ba‛al and burned them, and broke down the statue of Ba‛al, and broke down the house of Ba‛al and made it a latrine to this day. Thus Yĕhu destroyed Ba‛al out of Yisra’yl.”[/FONT]

PS · Nov 16, 2017

Hizikyah said:

Of course it it wrong and they are still far from God.

Hosea 2:1-23
Contents: The chastisement of adulterous Israel. Yet to be restored.
Characters: God, Hosea, Ammi, Ruhamah, Baalim.
Conclusion: Those who exchange the service of God for the service of the world and the flesh will sooner or later be made to own that they have changed for the worse, finding themselves cast off of God and hedged about with thorns. Woe unto us, if God will not own Himself in relation to us.

(Summarised Bible)

Hizikyah · Nov 16, 2017

PS said:

So how then does Israylites worshipping Baal, which YHWH says HE hates, then make YHWH Baal?

Judges 3:7, “Thus the children of Yisra’yl did evil in the eyes of יהוה, and forgot יהוה their Strentgh, and served the Ba‛als and the Ashĕrahs.”

He said they forgot Him and worshipped Baal...

Thw word does not matter to you does it? you seem to beleive anything you want.

Hizikyah · Nov 16, 2017

Deuteronomy 33:29, “Blessed are you, O Yisra’yl! Who is like you, a people saved by יהוה, the shield of your help, and He who is the sword of your excellency! And your enemies are subdued for you, and you tread down their high places.”

PS · Nov 16, 2017

Hizikyah said:

The confusion between Baal and YHWH comes about because both are called LORD. See here Moses offering sacrifices to the LORD, which the true LORD, the I AM, hates.

Exo_10:25 And Moses said, Thou must give us also sacrifices and burnt offerings, that we may sacrifice unto the LORD our God.

Exo_10:25 Moses said, "You must let us have sacrifices and burnt offerings to offer to the LORD our God.

Eze_46:4 And the burnt offering that the prince shall offer unto the LORD in the sabbath day shall be six lambs without blemish, and a ram without blemish.

Isa_34:6 The sword of the LORD is filled with blood, it is made fat with fatness, and with the blood of lambs and goats, with the fat of the kidneys of rams: for the LORD hath a sacrifice in Bozrah, and a great slaughter in the land of Idumea.

Jos_8:31 just the way Moses the servant of the LORD had commanded the Israelis in the Book of the Law of Moses: "...an altar of uncut stones that hasn't been worked with iron tools..." and they offered burnt offerings to the LORD on it, along with peace offerings.

Lev_10:19 But Aaron replied to Moses, "Today they've offered their sin and whole burnt offerings in the LORD 's presence. Yet things such as these have happened to me. Had I eaten the sin offering today, would that be pleasing in the LORD 's opinion?"

Lev_8:28 After this, Moses took those things from their hands and burned them on the altar over the whole burnt offering for consecration. They served as a pleasing aroma, an offering made by fire to the LORD.

Hizikyah · Nov 16, 2017

Are you making this up as you go along?

PS said:

You keep changing what you are saying, you said YHWh was satan and YHWH was Baal, there are 2 Gods...

PS said:

You have no clue what you are talking about.

Nehemiah 9:6, “You are יהוה, You alone. You have made the heavens, the heavens of the heavens, with all their host, the earth and all that are on it, the seas and all that are in them, and You give life to them all. And the host of the heavens are bowing themselves to You.”

Isaiah 60:16, "“And you shall suck the milk of the nations, and shall suckle the breast of sovereigns. And you shall know that I, יהוה, your Savior and your Redeemer, am the Mighty One of Ya‛aqoḇ."

Isaiah 40:28, "Did you not know? Have you not heard? The everlasting Strength, יהוה, the Creator of the ends of the earth, neither faints nor is weary. His understanding is unsearchable."

Isaiah 44:24, “Thus said יהוה, your Redeemer, and He who formed you from the womb, “I am יהוה, doing all, stretching out the heavens all alone, spreading out the earth, with none beside Me.”

PS · Nov 16, 2017

Hizikyah said:

Any god other than the true God is satanic. LORD and YHWH have become juxtaposed and are given to both Baal and the I AM. This is why the Old Testament God comes across as having two natures, which explains the difference between the God of the Old Testament and the God of the New Testament.

I need to take the dog for a walk. Back later.

Hizikyah · Nov 16, 2017

PS said:

says you.

The words says different.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Isaiah 40:28, "Did you not know? Have you not heard? The everlasting Strength, [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[FONT=Times New Roman, serif], the Creator of the ends of the earth, neither faints nor is weary. His understanding is unsearchable."[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mattithyah 23:39, "For I say to you: From this moment you will not see Me, until you say: Blessed is He Who comes in the Name of YHWH!"

quoted from this verse;
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalms 118:26, "Blessed is He who is coming in the Name of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]! We shall bless you from the House of [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. "[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Matthew 21:9, "And the crowds who went before and those who followed cried out, saying, “Hoshia-na to the Son of Dawiḏ! Blessed is He who is coming in the Name of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]! Hoshia-na in the highest!”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John 12:13, "took the branches of palm trees and went out to meet Him, and were crying out, “Hoshia-na! Blessed is He who is coming in the Name of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], the Sovereign of Yisra’ĕl!”[/FONT]

Yahweh and Yeshua: A Comparison and Contrast

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