Yahweh and Yeshua: A Comparison and Contrast
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Jair do you believe this and all the events of Revelation will happen?
Revelation 19:11-16, “And I saw the heaven opened, and there was a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Trustworthy and True, and in righteousness He judges and fights. And His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns, having a Name that had been written, which no one had perceived except Himself – and having been dressed in a robe dipped in blood (Isaiah 63:2) and His Name is called: The Word of יהוה. And the armies in the heaven, dressed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses. And out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should smite the nations. And He shall shepherd them with a rod of iron. And He treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of the Almighty Strength. And on His robe and on His thigh He has a name written: SOVEREIGN OF SOVEREIGNS AND MASTER OF MASTERS.”
Revelation 14:12-20, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the commands of יהוה and the belief of יהושע. And I heard a voice out of the heaven saying to me, “Write, ‘Blessed are the dead who die in the Master from now on.’ ” “Yes,” says the Spirit, “in order that they rest from their labors, and their works follow with them. And I looked and saw a white cloud, and sitting on the cloud was One like the Son of Aḏam, (Dan 7:13-14) having on His head a golden crown, and in His hand a sharp sickle. And another messenger came out of the Dwelling Place, crying with a loud voice to the One sitting on the cloud, “Send Your sickle and reap, because the hour has come for You to reap, because the harvest of the earth is ripe. And the One sitting on the cloud thrust in His sickle on the earth, and the earth was reaped. And another messenger came out of the Dwelling Place which is in the heaven, and he too held a sharp sickle. And another messenger came out from the slaughter-place, having authority over the fire, and he cried with a loud cry to him having the sharp sickle, saying, “Send your sharp sickle and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth, because her grapes are ripe. And the messenger thrust his sickle into the earth and gathered the vine of the earth, and threw it into the great wine press of the wrath of יהוה. And the wine press was trodden outside the city, and blood came out of the wine press, up to the bridles of the horses, for about one thousand six hundred stadiad. (Approx. 296 kilometres or 184 miles)”
Revelation 19:11-16, “And I saw the heaven opened, and there was a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Trustworthy and True, and in righteousness He judges and fights. And His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns, having a Name that had been written, which no one had perceived except Himself – and having been dressed in a robe dipped in blood (Isaiah 63:2) and His Name is called: The Word of יהוה. And the armies in the heaven, dressed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses. And out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should smite the nations. And He shall shepherd them with a rod of iron. And He treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of the Almighty Strength. And on His robe and on His thigh He has a name written: SOVEREIGN OF SOVEREIGNS AND MASTER OF MASTERS.”
Revelation 14:12-20, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the commands of יהוה and the belief of יהושע. And I heard a voice out of the heaven saying to me, “Write, ‘Blessed are the dead who die in the Master from now on.’ ” “Yes,” says the Spirit, “in order that they rest from their labors, and their works follow with them. And I looked and saw a white cloud, and sitting on the cloud was One like the Son of Aḏam, (Dan 7:13-14) having on His head a golden crown, and in His hand a sharp sickle. And another messenger came out of the Dwelling Place, crying with a loud voice to the One sitting on the cloud, “Send Your sickle and reap, because the hour has come for You to reap, because the harvest of the earth is ripe. And the One sitting on the cloud thrust in His sickle on the earth, and the earth was reaped. And another messenger came out of the Dwelling Place which is in the heaven, and he too held a sharp sickle. And another messenger came out from the slaughter-place, having authority over the fire, and he cried with a loud cry to him having the sharp sickle, saying, “Send your sharp sickle and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth, because her grapes are ripe. And the messenger thrust his sickle into the earth and gathered the vine of the earth, and threw it into the great wine press of the wrath of יהוה. And the wine press was trodden outside the city, and blood came out of the wine press, up to the bridles of the horses, for about one thousand six hundred stadiad. (Approx. 296 kilometres or 184 miles)”
Yes, I do. And the reason I do is because, the key is, here, that it is God Himself, even coming again as Christ, Who will carry out this judgement.
Notice than in my post (which by the way I thank you for reviving after it was lost. Not sure how you did that but, yay! Haha) that I never mentioned anything that God did to judge the world or the nations in contrast to Jesus. I only pointed out the things that God evidently asked people to do, many of which totally break His own commandments and/or go totally against what Jesus instructs us to do in the NT.
I have no issues with God's divine wrath, for He is just. But for Him to require His people to bloody their swords for Him (the only exception I can see to this issue is if indeed your theory is correct and it was indeed Nephilim, not humans that were referred to as the Amalekites et al.), then this contradicts what Jesus taught.
Notice than in my post (which by the way I thank you for reviving after it was lost. Not sure how you did that but, yay! Haha) that I never mentioned anything that God did to judge the world or the nations in contrast to Jesus. I only pointed out the things that God evidently asked people to do, many of which totally break His own commandments and/or go totally against what Jesus instructs us to do in the NT.
I have no issues with God's divine wrath, for He is just. But for Him to require His people to bloody their swords for Him (the only exception I can see to this issue is if indeed your theory is correct and it was indeed Nephilim, not humans that were referred to as the Amalekites et al.), then this contradicts what Jesus taught.
Similar except that the early disciples all held to the authority of the OT, including the parts we do not like.
Romans 9:20 comes to mind.
We are looking in this post-modern world for a domesticated god who we can push buttons on and play with. Not a sovereign King of the universe.
What God does is always right.
The Ten Commandments are there indeed.
But what about when God desires to accomplish His good will through evil?
Acts 4:27-28
"For truly in this city there were gathered together against Your holy servant Jesus, whom You anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, along with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, to do whatever Your hand and Your purpose predestined to occur.
The same is true for the Assyrian king God used to punish Israel, but God then turned around and punished that said king for doing what he was predestined to do.
Same with the ones who crucified Jesus, it was predestined yet the people were held responsible.
[h=1]Isaiah 10:5-15New International Version (NIV)[/h][h=3]God’s Judgment on Assyria[/h][FONT="][FONT="]5 “Woe to the Assyrian, the rod of my anger,
in whose hand is the club of my wrath!
6 I send him against a godless nation,
I dispatch him against a people who anger me,
to seize loot and snatch plunder,
and to trample them down like mud in the streets.
7 But this is not what he intends,
this is not what he has in mind;
his purpose is to destroy,
to put an end to many nations.
8 ‘Are not my commanders all kings?’ he says.
9 ‘Has not Kalno fared like Carchemish?
Is not Hamath like Arpad,
and Samaria like Damascus?
10 As my hand seized the kingdoms of the idols,
kingdoms whose images excelled those of Jerusalem and Samaria—
11 shall I not deal with Jerusalem and her images
as I dealt with Samaria and her idols?’”[/FONT]
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[FONT="]12 When the Lord has finished all his work against Mount Zion and Jerusalem, he will say, “I will punish the king of Assyria for the willful pride of his heart and the haughty look in his eyes. 13 For he says:[/FONT]
[FONT="][FONT="]“‘By the strength of my hand I have done this,
and by my wisdom, because I have understanding.
I removed the boundaries of nations,
I plundered their treasures;
like a mighty one I subdued their kings.
14 As one reaches into a nest,
so my hand reached for the wealth of the nations;
as people gather abandoned eggs,
so I gathered all the countries;
not one flapped a wing,
or opened its mouth to chirp.’”[/FONT]
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[FONT="][FONT="]15 Does the ax raise itself above the person who swings it,
or the saw boast against the one who uses it?
As if a rod were to wield the person who lifts it up,
or a club brandish the one who is not wood![/FONT]
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Romans 9:20 comes to mind.
We are looking in this post-modern world for a domesticated god who we can push buttons on and play with. Not a sovereign King of the universe.
What God does is always right.
The Ten Commandments are there indeed.
But what about when God desires to accomplish His good will through evil?
Acts 4:27-28
"For truly in this city there were gathered together against Your holy servant Jesus, whom You anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, along with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, to do whatever Your hand and Your purpose predestined to occur.
The same is true for the Assyrian king God used to punish Israel, but God then turned around and punished that said king for doing what he was predestined to do.
Same with the ones who crucified Jesus, it was predestined yet the people were held responsible.
[h=1]Isaiah 10:5-15New International Version (NIV)[/h][h=3]God’s Judgment on Assyria[/h][FONT="][FONT="]5 “Woe to the Assyrian, the rod of my anger,
in whose hand is the club of my wrath!
6 I send him against a godless nation,
I dispatch him against a people who anger me,
to seize loot and snatch plunder,
and to trample them down like mud in the streets.
7 But this is not what he intends,
this is not what he has in mind;
his purpose is to destroy,
to put an end to many nations.
8 ‘Are not my commanders all kings?’ he says.
9 ‘Has not Kalno fared like Carchemish?
Is not Hamath like Arpad,
and Samaria like Damascus?
10 As my hand seized the kingdoms of the idols,
kingdoms whose images excelled those of Jerusalem and Samaria—
11 shall I not deal with Jerusalem and her images
as I dealt with Samaria and her idols?’”[/FONT]
[/FONT]
[FONT="]12 When the Lord has finished all his work against Mount Zion and Jerusalem, he will say, “I will punish the king of Assyria for the willful pride of his heart and the haughty look in his eyes. 13 For he says:[/FONT]
[FONT="][FONT="]“‘By the strength of my hand I have done this,
and by my wisdom, because I have understanding.
I removed the boundaries of nations,
I plundered their treasures;
like a mighty one I subdued their kings.
14 As one reaches into a nest,
so my hand reached for the wealth of the nations;
as people gather abandoned eggs,
so I gathered all the countries;
not one flapped a wing,
or opened its mouth to chirp.’”[/FONT]
[/FONT]
[FONT="][FONT="]15 Does the ax raise itself above the person who swings it,
or the saw boast against the one who uses it?
As if a rod were to wield the person who lifts it up,
or a club brandish the one who is not wood![/FONT]
[/FONT]
One more example is in Genesis 50.
Where what was done to Joseph men meant for evil, but God meant it for good. Joseph recognized this.
Genesis 50:20
"As for you, you meant evil against me, but God meant it for good in order to bring about this present result, to preserve many people alive.
The reason behind the examples I gave is to show that sometimes God ordains things that violate the commandments. Just as happened with the crucifixion of Jesus and with the Assyrian King example I showed you earlier.
Where what was done to Joseph men meant for evil, but God meant it for good. Joseph recognized this.
Genesis 50:20
"As for you, you meant evil against me, but God meant it for good in order to bring about this present result, to preserve many people alive.
The reason behind the examples I gave is to show that sometimes God ordains things that violate the commandments. Just as happened with the crucifixion of Jesus and with the Assyrian King example I showed you earlier.
Another example would be Judas. It was God's will for Christ to die, but would someone who loved Jesus and who worshipped the Father, deny the one he loved? Of course not, and if they did, it would not go well for them at the judgement. So, God can and does use evil people to fulfil his will, for they are condemned already. That is not to say we should use them as an example to us. We need to always walk in paths of righteousness.
Romans 9:20 "But who are you, my friend, to talk back to God? A clay pot does not ask the man who made it, "Why did you make me like this?"
Goes with Isa 45:9, "Does a clay pot dare argue with its maker, a pot that is like all the others? Does the clay ask the potter what he is doing? Does the pot complain that its maker has no skill?"
Romans 9:20 "But who are you, my friend, to talk back to God? A clay pot does not ask the man who made it, "Why did you make me like this?"
Goes with Isa 45:9, "Does a clay pot dare argue with its maker, a pot that is like all the others? Does the clay ask the potter what he is doing? Does the pot complain that its maker has no skill?"
I agre here but want to point something out. The saints will carry out the execuation with Yahshua, He is the only one who sits on the throne yet the saints that get resurrected are a part of the army of YHWH, but we will be changed, no man can quantify exactly what we will be, but we will in incorruptabe thus it seems fully capable of 100% proper and righteous judment;
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Corinthians 15:51-55, “See, I speak a secret to you: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible has to put on incorruption, and this mortal to put on immortality. And when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall come to be the word that has been written, “Death is swallowed up in overcoming. O Death, where is your sting? O grave, where is your overcoming?”[/FONT]
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Revelation 19:11-16, “And I saw the heaven opened, and there was a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Trustworthy and True, and in righteousness He judges and fights. And His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns, having a Name that had been written, which no one had perceived except Himself – and having been dressed in a robe dipped in blood (Isaiah 63:2) and His Name is called: The Word of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. And the armies in the heaven, dressed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses. And out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should smite the nations. And He shall shepherd them with a rod of iron. And He treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of the Almighty Strength. And on His robe and on His thigh He has a name written: SOVEREIGN OF SOVEREIGNS AND MASTER OF MASTERS.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 19:7-9, “Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him praise, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife prepared herself. And to her it was given to be dressed in fine linen, clean and bright, for the fine linen is the righteousness of the set-apart ones. And he said to me, “Write, ‘Blessed are those who have been called to the marriage supper of the Lamb!’ And he said to me, “These are the true words of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[FONT=Times New Roman, serif].”[/FONT][/FONT]
Because of this I don't see it as a completely foreign thing, to me a similar difference it the difference be\tween the Levite priesthood and the Messenger of Righteousness Priesthood. Certianly one is not perfect and the other is perfect, so the big difference is there but the basic framework remains the same.
Yeah I honestly believe Yah wanted that post answered, there were some ver deep questions in it, and it was my pleasure because while I don't claim to know all 100% of everything I think you are sincere and thus would like to at least share my views. Glory to Yah!
On the surface I think yes, but as one learns the word in a more complete manner it becomes evident that everything Yahshua taught about loving YHWH and their neighbor can be found in the "OT" It is my belief that Yahshua taught the true spirit/intent of the Law where the heart of man tends to twist and alter it to fit ones own desires, just a small example here;
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Leviticus 19 Concerning our fellow humans;[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]11, "‘Do not steal, do not lie, do not deceive one another."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]13, "‘Do not oppress your neighbor or rob him. The wages of him who is hired is not to remain with you all night until morning."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]14, "‘Do not curse the deaf or put a stumbling-block before the blind, but fear your Mighty One. I am [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]15, "‘Do no unrighteousness in right-ruling. Do not be partial to the poor or favor the face of the great, but rightly rule your neighbor in righteousness."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]16, "‘Do not go slandering among your people. Do not stand against the blood of your neighbor. I am [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]17, "‘Do not hate your brother in your heart. Reprove your neighbor, for certain, and bear no sin because of him."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]18, "‘Do not take vengeance or bear a grudge against the children of your people. And you shall love your neighbor as yourself. I am [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]34, "‘Let the stranger who dwells among you be to you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself. For you were strangers in the land of Mitsrayim. I am [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]your Strength."[/FONT]
How would it contradict if they were indeed nephillim, Yahshua taught to love our fellow human, but we don't have a single thought of His concerning nephillim (the offspring of Anak were nephillim and thus any offspring that came from those offspring would be nephillim, thus the need to wipe them out) however they may had been wiped out by Yahshua's time, that could be a reson for Him not mentioning them, but that is speculation either way because it is not written anywhere I am aware of.
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Numbers 13:32-33, “And they gave the children of Yisra’yl a disturbing report of the land which they had spied out, saying, “The land through which we have gone as spies is a land eating up its inhabitants, and all the people whom we saw in it are men of great size. And we saw there the Nephilim, (#H5303) sons of Anaq, (#H6061) of the Nephilim (#H5303). And we were like grasshoppers in our own eyes, and so we were in their eyes.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Corinthians 6:1-6, “Should any of you, holding a matter against another, go to be judged before the unrighteous, and not before the set-apart ones? Do you not know that the set-apart ones shall judge the world? And if the world is judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Do you not know that we shall judge messengers (angels/fallen angels)? How much more, matters of this life? If then you truly have judgments of this life, do you appoint them as judges who are least esteemed by the assembly? I say this to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise one among you, not even one, who shall be able to judge between his brothers? But brother against brother goes to be judged and that before unbelievers!”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Corinthians 15:51-55, “See, I speak a secret to you: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible has to put on incorruption, and this mortal to put on immortality. And when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall come to be the word that has been written, “Death is swallowed up in overcoming. O Death, where is your sting? O grave, where is your overcoming?”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]
Revelation 19:11-16, “And I saw the heaven opened, and there was a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Trustworthy and True, and in righteousness He judges and fights. And His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns, having a Name that had been written, which no one had perceived except Himself – and having been dressed in a robe dipped in blood (Isaiah 63:2) and His Name is called: The Word of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. And the armies in the heaven, dressed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses. And out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should smite the nations. And He shall shepherd them with a rod of iron. And He treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of the Almighty Strength. And on His robe and on His thigh He has a name written: SOVEREIGN OF SOVEREIGNS AND MASTER OF MASTERS.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 19:7-9, “Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him praise, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife prepared herself. And to her it was given to be dressed in fine linen, clean and bright, for the fine linen is the righteousness of the set-apart ones. And he said to me, “Write, ‘Blessed are those who have been called to the marriage supper of the Lamb!’ And he said to me, “These are the true words of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[FONT=Times New Roman, serif].”[/FONT][/FONT]
Because of this I don't see it as a completely foreign thing, to me a similar difference it the difference be\tween the Levite priesthood and the Messenger of Righteousness Priesthood. Certianly one is not perfect and the other is perfect, so the big difference is there but the basic framework remains the same.
Yeah I honestly believe Yah wanted that post answered, there were some ver deep questions in it, and it was my pleasure because while I don't claim to know all 100% of everything I think you are sincere and thus would like to at least share my views. Glory to Yah!
On the surface I think yes, but as one learns the word in a more complete manner it becomes evident that everything Yahshua taught about loving YHWH and their neighbor can be found in the "OT" It is my belief that Yahshua taught the true spirit/intent of the Law where the heart of man tends to twist and alter it to fit ones own desires, just a small example here;
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Leviticus 19 Concerning our fellow humans;[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]11, "‘Do not steal, do not lie, do not deceive one another."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]13, "‘Do not oppress your neighbor or rob him. The wages of him who is hired is not to remain with you all night until morning."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]14, "‘Do not curse the deaf or put a stumbling-block before the blind, but fear your Mighty One. I am [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]15, "‘Do no unrighteousness in right-ruling. Do not be partial to the poor or favor the face of the great, but rightly rule your neighbor in righteousness."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]16, "‘Do not go slandering among your people. Do not stand against the blood of your neighbor. I am [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]17, "‘Do not hate your brother in your heart. Reprove your neighbor, for certain, and bear no sin because of him."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]18, "‘Do not take vengeance or bear a grudge against the children of your people. And you shall love your neighbor as yourself. I am [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]34, "‘Let the stranger who dwells among you be to you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself. For you were strangers in the land of Mitsrayim. I am [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]your Strength."[/FONT]
How would it contradict if they were indeed nephillim, Yahshua taught to love our fellow human, but we don't have a single thought of His concerning nephillim (the offspring of Anak were nephillim and thus any offspring that came from those offspring would be nephillim, thus the need to wipe them out) however they may had been wiped out by Yahshua's time, that could be a reson for Him not mentioning them, but that is speculation either way because it is not written anywhere I am aware of.
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Numbers 13:32-33, “And they gave the children of Yisra’yl a disturbing report of the land which they had spied out, saying, “The land through which we have gone as spies is a land eating up its inhabitants, and all the people whom we saw in it are men of great size. And we saw there the Nephilim, (#H5303) sons of Anaq, (#H6061) of the Nephilim (#H5303). And we were like grasshoppers in our own eyes, and so we were in their eyes.”[/FONT]
Oh no worries, your input has been great! You've done a lot of digging on the comparison side of things, which is one of the major points of this thread after all. It's helped me to balance things out a bit more, and realize I'm focusing a little too much in the contrasts right now so it has been helpful!
PraiseYah! We are all in this same journey, seeking the face of Yah!and actually I also started this kind of studies in the contrast, but then realized what was similar and honestly I should do a much fuller cimilarities study, concerning every little aspect and sttribute. I started some studies that could serve as a foundation for this a few weeks ago, so praiseYah for that, maybe it was to purpose or part of it. May Yah shine His face upon you and keep you continually Jair!
First I want to say YHWH created all beings righteous and evil, and clearly for a purpose, as this is a test, and I think this history about King Shaul is a lesson. There is much more I can add to this 2 part post, I will at least add 3 more passages in a bit, but it goes much deeper if you want an answer that gives the entire picture, however this is the question directly at hand;
Psalm 11:4, "יהוה is in His holy temple; יהוה throne is in heaven;His eyes behold, His eyelids test the sons of men."
1 John/Yahanan 3:7, "Little children, let no man deceive you; he who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous."
1 John/Yahanan 5:17, "All unrighteousness is sin, and there is a sin not unto death."
John/Yahanan 5:28-30, “Do not be astonished at this-for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice, and will come forth. Those who have practiced righteousness will be resurrected in order to live; and those who have practiced wickedness will be resurrected in order to be damned."
Ephesians 2:1-2, “And you were dead in trespasses and sins, in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the ruler of the authority of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience.”
1 Samuel 16:13-23, "16:13, "And Shemu’ĕl took the horn of oil and anointed him in the midst of his brothers. And the Spirit of יהוה came upon Dawiḏ from that day and onwards. And Shemu’ĕl arose and went to Ramah."16:14, "And the Spirit of יהוה turned aside from Sha’ul, and an evil spirit from יהוה troubled him."16:15, "And the servants of Sha’ul said to him, “Look, now, an evil spirit from the Mighty One is troubling you."16:16, "“Please, let our master command your servants who are before you, to seek out a man who is a skilled player on the lyre. And it shall be that when the evil spirit from the Mighty One is upon you, that he shall play with his hand, and you be well.”"16:17, "And Sha’ul said to his servants, “Please get me a man that plays well, and bring him to me.”"16:18, "And one of the servants answered and said, “Look, I have seen a son of Yishai the Bĕyth Leḥemite, who knows how to play, a brave one, and a man of battle, and skilled in words, and a handsome man. And יהוה is with him.”"16:19, "So Sha’ul sent messengers to Yishai, and said, “Send me your son Dawiḏ, who is with the sheep.”"16:20, "And Yishai took a donkey loaded with bread, and a skin of wine, and a young goat, and sent them by his son Dawiḏ to Sha’ul."16:21, "And Dawiḏ came to Sha’ul and stood before him. And he loved him greatly, and he became his armour-bearer."16:22, "Sha’ul therefore sent to Yishai, saying, “Please let Dawiḏ stand before me, for he has found favour in my eyes.”"16:23, "And it came to be, whenever the evil spirit from the Mighty One was upon Sha’ul, that Dawiḏ would take a lyre and play it with his hand. Then Sha’ul would become refreshed and well, and the evil spirit would leave him.”
So before we get into this the first question would be why did YHWH send/allow this dark spirit to come upon Shaul? Because Shaul disobeyed YHWH:
1 Samuel 13:11-14, “Then Shemu’ĕl said, “What have you done?” And Sha’ul said, “Because I saw that the people were scattered from me, and that you did not come within the days appointed, and that the Philistines gathered at Miḵmash, so I said, ‘The Philistines are going to come down on me at Gilgal, and I have not appeased the face of יהוה.’ So I felt compelled, and offered an ascending offering. And Shemu’ĕl said to Sha’ul, “You have been foolish. You have not guarded the command of יהוה your Strength, which He commanded you. For now יהוה would have established your reign over Yisra’ĕl forever."13:14, "“ But now, your reign is not going to stand.יהוה shall seek for Himself a man after His own heart, and יהוה shall command him to be leader over His people, because you have not guarded what יהוה commanded you.”
Acts 13:20-23, “And after that He gave judges for about four hundred and fifty years, until Shemu’ĕl the prophet. But then they asked for a sovereign, and the Mighty One gave them Sha’ul the son of Qish, a man of the tribe of Binyamin, for forty years. And having removed him, He raised up for them Dawiḏ as sovereign, to whom also He gave witness and said, ‘I have found Dawiḏ the son of Yishai, a man after My own heart, who shall do all My desires. From this one’s seed, according to the promise, יהוה raised up for Yisra’ĕl a Saviour, יהושע.”
Proverbs 16:1-4, “To man belongs the preparations of the heart, But from יהוה is the answer of the tongue. All the ways of a man are clean in his own eyes, But יהוה weighs the spirits. Commit your works to יהוה, And your plans shall be established. יהוה has made all for His purpose, And also the wrong for the day of evil.”
Psalm 11:4, "יהוה is in His holy temple; יהוה throne is in heaven;His eyes behold, His eyelids test the sons of men."
1 John/Yahanan 3:7, "Little children, let no man deceive you; he who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous."
1 John/Yahanan 5:17, "All unrighteousness is sin, and there is a sin not unto death."
John/Yahanan 5:28-30, “Do not be astonished at this-for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice, and will come forth. Those who have practiced righteousness will be resurrected in order to live; and those who have practiced wickedness will be resurrected in order to be damned."
Ephesians 2:1-2, “And you were dead in trespasses and sins, in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the ruler of the authority of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience.”
1 Samuel 16:13-23, "16:13, "And Shemu’ĕl took the horn of oil and anointed him in the midst of his brothers. And the Spirit of יהוה came upon Dawiḏ from that day and onwards. And Shemu’ĕl arose and went to Ramah."16:14, "And the Spirit of יהוה turned aside from Sha’ul, and an evil spirit from יהוה troubled him."16:15, "And the servants of Sha’ul said to him, “Look, now, an evil spirit from the Mighty One is troubling you."16:16, "“Please, let our master command your servants who are before you, to seek out a man who is a skilled player on the lyre. And it shall be that when the evil spirit from the Mighty One is upon you, that he shall play with his hand, and you be well.”"16:17, "And Sha’ul said to his servants, “Please get me a man that plays well, and bring him to me.”"16:18, "And one of the servants answered and said, “Look, I have seen a son of Yishai the Bĕyth Leḥemite, who knows how to play, a brave one, and a man of battle, and skilled in words, and a handsome man. And יהוה is with him.”"16:19, "So Sha’ul sent messengers to Yishai, and said, “Send me your son Dawiḏ, who is with the sheep.”"16:20, "And Yishai took a donkey loaded with bread, and a skin of wine, and a young goat, and sent them by his son Dawiḏ to Sha’ul."16:21, "And Dawiḏ came to Sha’ul and stood before him. And he loved him greatly, and he became his armour-bearer."16:22, "Sha’ul therefore sent to Yishai, saying, “Please let Dawiḏ stand before me, for he has found favour in my eyes.”"16:23, "And it came to be, whenever the evil spirit from the Mighty One was upon Sha’ul, that Dawiḏ would take a lyre and play it with his hand. Then Sha’ul would become refreshed and well, and the evil spirit would leave him.”
So before we get into this the first question would be why did YHWH send/allow this dark spirit to come upon Shaul? Because Shaul disobeyed YHWH:
1 Samuel 13:11-14, “Then Shemu’ĕl said, “What have you done?” And Sha’ul said, “Because I saw that the people were scattered from me, and that you did not come within the days appointed, and that the Philistines gathered at Miḵmash, so I said, ‘The Philistines are going to come down on me at Gilgal, and I have not appeased the face of יהוה.’ So I felt compelled, and offered an ascending offering. And Shemu’ĕl said to Sha’ul, “You have been foolish. You have not guarded the command of יהוה your Strength, which He commanded you. For now יהוה would have established your reign over Yisra’ĕl forever."13:14, "“ But now, your reign is not going to stand.יהוה shall seek for Himself a man after His own heart, and יהוה shall command him to be leader over His people, because you have not guarded what יהוה commanded you.”
Acts 13:20-23, “And after that He gave judges for about four hundred and fifty years, until Shemu’ĕl the prophet. But then they asked for a sovereign, and the Mighty One gave them Sha’ul the son of Qish, a man of the tribe of Binyamin, for forty years. And having removed him, He raised up for them Dawiḏ as sovereign, to whom also He gave witness and said, ‘I have found Dawiḏ the son of Yishai, a man after My own heart, who shall do all My desires. From this one’s seed, according to the promise, יהוה raised up for Yisra’ĕl a Saviour, יהושע.”
Proverbs 16:1-4, “To man belongs the preparations of the heart, But from יהוה is the answer of the tongue. All the ways of a man are clean in his own eyes, But יהוה weighs the spirits. Commit your works to יהוה, And your plans shall be established. יהוה has made all for His purpose, And also the wrong for the day of evil.”
Is this the same in the “New Testament?”
Acts 5:3, Then Peter said, "Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land?"
The answer is yes, but why?
1 Corinthians 10:20-21,”No, but what the nations slaughter they slaughter to demons and not to YHWH, and I do not wish you to become sharers with demons. You are not able to drink the cup of the Master and the cup of demons, you are not able to partake of the table of the Master and of the table of demons.”
Very clear “you are not able to partake of the table of the Master and of the table of demons”
Lamentations 3:37-40, “Who was it that spoke, And it came to be! Has יהוה not commanded it? Do not the adversity and the righteousness Come out of the mouth of the Most High? What? Should mankind complain, A living man, because of his sins? Let us search and examine our ways, And turn back to יהוה.”
Colossians 3:5-9, “Therefore put to death your members which are on the earth: whoring, uncleanness, passion, evil desire and greed of gain, which is idolatry. Because of these the wrath of יהוה is coming upon the sons of disobedience, in which you also once walked when you lived in them. But now, also put off all these: displeasure, wrath, evil, blasphemy, filthy talk from your mouth. Do not lie to each other, since you have put off the old man with his practices.”
Ephesians 2:1-2, “And you were dead in trespasses and sins, in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the ruler of the authority of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience.”
Ephesians 5:3-8, But whoring and all uncleanness, or greed of gain, let it not even be named among you, as is proper among set-apart ones, neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather thanksgiving. For this you know, that no one who whores, nor unclean one, nor one greedy of gain, who is an idolater, has any inheritance in the reign of Messiah and יהוה. Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these the wrath of יהוה comes upon the sons of disobedience. Therefore do not become partakers with them. For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Master. Walk as children of light.”
Romans 6:12-16, “Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, to obey it in its desires, neither present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to יהוה as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to יהוה. For sin shall not rule over you, for you are not under the law but under favor. What then? Shall we sin because we are not under Torah but under favor? Let it not be! Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves servants for obedience, you are servants of the one whom you obey, whether of sin to death, or of obedience to righteousness?”
If we do choose to do things against YHWH, inspired by demons, we are no longer with YHWH but are with demons. Without the Spirit of Yah
Romans 8:5-9, “For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the matters of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the matters of the Spirit. For the mind of the flesh is death, but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace. Because the mind of the flesh is enmity towards יהוה, for it does not subject itself to the Torah of יהוה, neither indeed is it able, and those who are in the flesh are unable to please יהוה." But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of יהוה dwells in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Messiah, this one is not His."
1 John/Yahanan 2:22-23, “Who is the liar, except the one denying that יהושע is the Messiah? This is the anti-messiah, the one denying the Father and the Son. No one denying the Son has the Father. The one confessing the Son has the Father as well.”
1 John/Yahanan 4:1-3, “Beloved ones, do not believe every spirit, but prove the spirits, whether they are of Yah, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of Yah: Every spirit that confesses that יהושע Messiah has come in the flesh is of Yah, and every spirit that does not confess that יהושע Messiah has come in the flesh is not of Yah. And this is the spirit of the anti-messiah which you heard is coming, and now is already in the world.”
We are not given an exact reason why the girl was demon possessed, but we know she did not have the Spirit of Yah, if she did she would not have been able to be possessed.
1 John 3:24, “And the one guarding His commands stays in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He stays in us, by the Spirit which He gave us.”
Ezekiel 11:19-21, “And I shall give them one heart, and put a new spirit within you. And I shall take the stony heart out of their flesh, and give them a heart of flesh, so that they walk in My laws, and guard My right-rulings, and shall do them. And they shall be My people and I shall be their Strength. But to those whose hearts walk after the heart of their disgusting matters and their abominations, I shall recompense their deeds on their own heads,” declares the Master יהוה.”
1 John 3:4-10, "Everyone doing sin also does lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. Everyone staying in Him does not sin. Everyone sinning has neither seen Him nor known Him. Little children, let no one lead you astray. The one doing righteousness is righteous, even as He is righteous. The one doing sin is of the devil, because the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of YHWH was manifested: to destroy the works of the devil. Everyone having been born of YHWH does not sin, because His seed stays in him, and he is powerless to sin, because he has been born of YHWH. In this the children of YHWH and the children of the devil are manifest: Everyone not doing righteousness is not of YHWH, neither the one not loving his brother.”
John/Yahanan 15:5-16, "I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, produces much fruit; but without Me, you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away like a branch, and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. If you abide in Me, and letting My words; abide in you, you will ask what you will, and it will be done for you. In this is My Father glorified: when you produce much fruit; and in this way you become My disciples. Just as the Father has loved Me, so have I loved you; continue in My love. If you keep My Commands, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father's Commands, and abide in His love. These things I have spoken to you, that My joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be complete. This is My Command: Love one another as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this: that one would lay down his life on behalf of his brothers. You are My brothers, if you do whatever I command you."
Acts 16:16-18, “And it came to be, as we went to prayer, that a certain slave girl possessed with a spirit of Puthon, did meet us, who brought her masters much profit by foretelling. Having followed Paul and us, she cried out, saying, “These men are the servants of the Most High Strength, who proclaim to us the way of deliverance. And she was doing this for many days. But Paul, greatly annoyed, turned and said to the spirit, “I command you in the Name of יהושע Messiah to come out of her.” And it came out that same hour."
Revelation 18:1-3, “And after this I saw another messenger coming down from the heaven, having great authority, and the earth was lightened from his esteem. And he cried with a mighty voice, saying, “Baḇel the great is fallen, is fallen, and has become a dwelling place of demons, a haunt for every unclean spirit, and a haunt for every unclean and hated bird, because all the nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her whoring, and the sovereigns of the earth have committed whoring with her, and the merchants of the earth have become rich through the power of her riotous living. And I heard another voice from the heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues.”
Here we see “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues.” Clearly showing if we do not “come out” we will “partake” of these “plagues”
James 4:5-10, “Or do you think that the Scripture speaks to no purpose? Does the Spirit which dwells in us intensely crave unto envy? But He gives greater favor. Because of this He says, “ יהוה resists the proud, but gives favor to the humble. So then subject yourselves to יהוה. Resist the devil and he shall flee from you. Draw near to יהוה and He shall draw near to you. Cleanse hands, sinners. And cleanse the hearts, you double-minded! Lament and mourn and weep! Let your laughter be turned to mourning and your joy to dejection. Humble yourselves in the sight of the Master, and He shall lift you up.”
2 Thessalonians 2:6-12, "For the mystery of iniquity is already working, but the One restraining him will continue to restrain him, until he is made to appear in the midst. And then that lawless one will be revealed, whom Yahshua will remove with the breath of His mouth, and make powerless with the appearance of His coming-- Whose coming is according to the energy of Satan, who works with all power, and signs, and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of sin in those who are perishing, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason, YHWH will send them strong delusion, that they would believe the deception, In order that all those may be judged as not having believed the truth, but as having delighted in sin."
Ephesians 2:1-2, “And you were dead in trespasses and sins, in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the ruler of the authority of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience.”
Acts 5:3, Then Peter said, "Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land?"
The answer is yes, but why?
1 Corinthians 10:20-21,”No, but what the nations slaughter they slaughter to demons and not to YHWH, and I do not wish you to become sharers with demons. You are not able to drink the cup of the Master and the cup of demons, you are not able to partake of the table of the Master and of the table of demons.”
Very clear “you are not able to partake of the table of the Master and of the table of demons”
Lamentations 3:37-40, “Who was it that spoke, And it came to be! Has יהוה not commanded it? Do not the adversity and the righteousness Come out of the mouth of the Most High? What? Should mankind complain, A living man, because of his sins? Let us search and examine our ways, And turn back to יהוה.”
Colossians 3:5-9, “Therefore put to death your members which are on the earth: whoring, uncleanness, passion, evil desire and greed of gain, which is idolatry. Because of these the wrath of יהוה is coming upon the sons of disobedience, in which you also once walked when you lived in them. But now, also put off all these: displeasure, wrath, evil, blasphemy, filthy talk from your mouth. Do not lie to each other, since you have put off the old man with his practices.”
Ephesians 2:1-2, “And you were dead in trespasses and sins, in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the ruler of the authority of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience.”
Ephesians 5:3-8, But whoring and all uncleanness, or greed of gain, let it not even be named among you, as is proper among set-apart ones, neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather thanksgiving. For this you know, that no one who whores, nor unclean one, nor one greedy of gain, who is an idolater, has any inheritance in the reign of Messiah and יהוה. Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these the wrath of יהוה comes upon the sons of disobedience. Therefore do not become partakers with them. For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Master. Walk as children of light.”
Romans 6:12-16, “Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, to obey it in its desires, neither present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to יהוה as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to יהוה. For sin shall not rule over you, for you are not under the law but under favor. What then? Shall we sin because we are not under Torah but under favor? Let it not be! Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves servants for obedience, you are servants of the one whom you obey, whether of sin to death, or of obedience to righteousness?”
If we do choose to do things against YHWH, inspired by demons, we are no longer with YHWH but are with demons. Without the Spirit of Yah
Romans 8:5-9, “For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the matters of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the matters of the Spirit. For the mind of the flesh is death, but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace. Because the mind of the flesh is enmity towards יהוה, for it does not subject itself to the Torah of יהוה, neither indeed is it able, and those who are in the flesh are unable to please יהוה." But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of יהוה dwells in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Messiah, this one is not His."
1 John/Yahanan 2:22-23, “Who is the liar, except the one denying that יהושע is the Messiah? This is the anti-messiah, the one denying the Father and the Son. No one denying the Son has the Father. The one confessing the Son has the Father as well.”
1 John/Yahanan 4:1-3, “Beloved ones, do not believe every spirit, but prove the spirits, whether they are of Yah, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of Yah: Every spirit that confesses that יהושע Messiah has come in the flesh is of Yah, and every spirit that does not confess that יהושע Messiah has come in the flesh is not of Yah. And this is the spirit of the anti-messiah which you heard is coming, and now is already in the world.”
We are not given an exact reason why the girl was demon possessed, but we know she did not have the Spirit of Yah, if she did she would not have been able to be possessed.
1 John 3:24, “And the one guarding His commands stays in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He stays in us, by the Spirit which He gave us.”
Ezekiel 11:19-21, “And I shall give them one heart, and put a new spirit within you. And I shall take the stony heart out of their flesh, and give them a heart of flesh, so that they walk in My laws, and guard My right-rulings, and shall do them. And they shall be My people and I shall be their Strength. But to those whose hearts walk after the heart of their disgusting matters and their abominations, I shall recompense their deeds on their own heads,” declares the Master יהוה.”
1 John 3:4-10, "Everyone doing sin also does lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. Everyone staying in Him does not sin. Everyone sinning has neither seen Him nor known Him. Little children, let no one lead you astray. The one doing righteousness is righteous, even as He is righteous. The one doing sin is of the devil, because the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of YHWH was manifested: to destroy the works of the devil. Everyone having been born of YHWH does not sin, because His seed stays in him, and he is powerless to sin, because he has been born of YHWH. In this the children of YHWH and the children of the devil are manifest: Everyone not doing righteousness is not of YHWH, neither the one not loving his brother.”
Psalm 119:11, “I have stored up your word in my heart, that I might not sin against you.”
John/Yahanan 6:63, "It is the Spirit that gives life; the flesh is useless. The words (Instructions) that I (Yahshua/Jesus) speak to you, they are Spirit, and they are life everlasting." John/Yahanan 15:5-16, "I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, produces much fruit; but without Me, you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away like a branch, and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. If you abide in Me, and letting My words; abide in you, you will ask what you will, and it will be done for you. In this is My Father glorified: when you produce much fruit; and in this way you become My disciples. Just as the Father has loved Me, so have I loved you; continue in My love. If you keep My Commands, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father's Commands, and abide in His love. These things I have spoken to you, that My joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be complete. This is My Command: Love one another as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this: that one would lay down his life on behalf of his brothers. You are My brothers, if you do whatever I command you."
Acts 16:16-18, “And it came to be, as we went to prayer, that a certain slave girl possessed with a spirit of Puthon, did meet us, who brought her masters much profit by foretelling. Having followed Paul and us, she cried out, saying, “These men are the servants of the Most High Strength, who proclaim to us the way of deliverance. And she was doing this for many days. But Paul, greatly annoyed, turned and said to the spirit, “I command you in the Name of יהושע Messiah to come out of her.” And it came out that same hour."
Revelation 18:1-3, “And after this I saw another messenger coming down from the heaven, having great authority, and the earth was lightened from his esteem. And he cried with a mighty voice, saying, “Baḇel the great is fallen, is fallen, and has become a dwelling place of demons, a haunt for every unclean spirit, and a haunt for every unclean and hated bird, because all the nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her whoring, and the sovereigns of the earth have committed whoring with her, and the merchants of the earth have become rich through the power of her riotous living. And I heard another voice from the heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues.”
Here we see “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues.” Clearly showing if we do not “come out” we will “partake” of these “plagues”
James 4:5-10, “Or do you think that the Scripture speaks to no purpose? Does the Spirit which dwells in us intensely crave unto envy? But He gives greater favor. Because of this He says, “ יהוה resists the proud, but gives favor to the humble. So then subject yourselves to יהוה. Resist the devil and he shall flee from you. Draw near to יהוה and He shall draw near to you. Cleanse hands, sinners. And cleanse the hearts, you double-minded! Lament and mourn and weep! Let your laughter be turned to mourning and your joy to dejection. Humble yourselves in the sight of the Master, and He shall lift you up.”
2 Thessalonians 2:6-12, "For the mystery of iniquity is already working, but the One restraining him will continue to restrain him, until he is made to appear in the midst. And then that lawless one will be revealed, whom Yahshua will remove with the breath of His mouth, and make powerless with the appearance of His coming-- Whose coming is according to the energy of Satan, who works with all power, and signs, and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of sin in those who are perishing, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason, YHWH will send them strong delusion, that they would believe the deception, In order that all those may be judged as not having believed the truth, but as having delighted in sin."
Ephesians 2:1-2, “And you were dead in trespasses and sins, in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the ruler of the authority of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience.”
Romans 1:28-32, "And so, since they did not like to retain YHWH in their knowledge, YHWH gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not proper; Being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual impurity, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, and malice. They are gossips, Backbiters, haters of YHWH, despiteful, arrogant, and boastful. They are inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, And without understanding. They are covenant-breakers, without natural affection, implacable, and unmerciful: Who, knowing the righteous judgment of YHWH, that those who practice such things deserve death, not only continue to do these very things, but also approve of those who practice them."
Yirmeyahu/Jeremiah 13-1-10, “Thus יהוה said to me, “Go and get yourself a linen girdle, and put it on your loins, but do not put it in water. So I bought a girdle according to the word of יהוה, and put it on my loins. And the word of יהוה came to me the second time, saying, Take the girdle that you have bought, which is on your loins, and arise, go to the Euphrates, and hide it there in a hole in the rock.” And I went and hid it by the Euphrates, as יהוה commanded me. And it came to be after many days that יהוה said to me, “Arise, go to the Euphrates, and take from there the girdle which I commanded you to hide there. So I went to the Euphrates and dug, and I took the girdle from the place where I had hidden it. And there was the girdle, ruined. It was completely useless. And the word of יהוה came to me, saying, Thus said יהוה, ‘Thus I ruin the pride of Yehuḏah and the great pride of Yerushalayim. This evil people, who refuse to hear My Words, who walk in the stubbornness of their heart, and walk after other mighty ones to serve them and to bow themselves to them, is like this girdle which is completely useless.”
Psalms 81:8-16, “Hear, O My people, and let Me warn you, O Yisra’ĕl, if you would listen to Me! Let there be no strange mighty one among you, And do not bow down to a foreign mighty one. I am יהוה your Strength, Who brought you out of the land of Mitsrayim; Open your mouth wide, and I fill it. But My people did not listen to My voice, And Yisra’ĕl would not submit to Me. So I gave them over to their own stubborn heart, To walk in their own counsels. O, if My people had listened to Me, Yisra’ĕl would walk in My ways, I would subdue their enemies at once, And turn My hand against their adversaries! Those who hate יהוה would cringe before Him; And their time of punishment be forever. He would feed them with the finest of wheat; And with honey from the rock I would satisfy you.”
Psalm 24:1, "The earth belongs to יהוה, And all that fills it – The world and those who dwell in it."
Job 1:6-12, “And the day came to be that the sons of Elohim came to present themselves before יהוה, and Satan also came among them. And יהוה said to Satan, “From where do you come?” And Satan answered יהוה and said, “From diligently searching in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. And יהוה said to Satan, “Have you considered My servant Iyoḇ, that there is none like him on the earth, a perfect and straight man, one who fears Elohim and turns aside from evil? And Satan answered יהוה and said, “Is Iyoḇ fearing Elohim for naught? Have You not made a hedge around him, and around his household, and around all that he has on every side? You have blessed the work of his hands, and his possessions have increased in the land. But stretch out Your hand, please, and strike all that he has – if he would not curse You to Your face! And יהוה said to Satan, “See, all that he has is in your hand. Only do not lay a hand on himself.” And Satan went out from the presence of יהוה.”
Job 2:1-7, “Again the day came to be that the sons of Elohim came to present themselves before יהוה, and Satan also came among them to present himself before יהוה. And יהוה said to Satan, “From where do you come?” And Satan answered יהוה and said, “From diligently searching in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. And יהוה said to Satan, “Have you considered My servant Iyoḇ, that there is none like him on the earth, a perfect and straight man, one who fears Elohim and turns aside from evil? And still he holds fast to his integrity, although you incited Me against him, to destroy him without cause. And Satan answered יהוה and said, “Skin for skin, and all that a man has he would give for his life! But stretch out Your hand, please, and strike his bone and his flesh – if he would not curse You to Your face! And יהוה said to Satan, “See, he is in your hand, only spare his life. And Satan went out from the presence of יהוה, and struck Iyoḇ with loathsome sores from the sole of his foot to the crown of his head.”
1 Peter 5:8-11, “Be sober, watch, because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour. Resist him, firm in the belief, knowing that the same hardships are experienced by your brotherhood in the world. And the Mighty One of all favor, who called you to His everlasting esteem by Messiah יהושע, after you have suffered a while, Himself perfect, establish, strengthen, and settle you. To Him be the esteem and the might forever and ever. Awmĕin."
Job 42:1-3, “And Iyoḇ answered יהוה and said, You know that You are able to do all, and that no purpose is withheld from You. Who is this that hides counsel without knowledge? Therefore I declared but I did not understand, matters too marvelous for me, which I did not know.”
Isaiah 54:15-17, “See, they shall indeed assemble, but not because of Me. Whoever shall assemble against you falls for your sake! See, I Myself have created the blacksmith who blows the coals in the fire, who brings forth an instrument for his work. And I have created the waster to destroy. No weapon formed against you shall prosper, and every tongue which rises against you in judgment you shall prove wrong. This is the inheritance of the servants of יהוה, and their righteousness from Me,” declares יהוה.”
Proverbs 17:3, “A refining pot is for silver and a furnace for gold, But יהוה tries the hearts.”
Jeremiah 9:7, “Therefore thus said יהוה of hosts, “See, I shall refine them, and shall try them, for what shall I do because of the daughter of My people?”
Malachi 3:1-6, “See, I am sending My messenger, and he shall prepare the way before Me. Then suddenly the Master you are seeking comes to His Temple, even the Messenger of the covenant, in whom you delight. See, He is coming,” said יהוה of hosts. And who is able to bear the day of His coming, and who is able to stand when He appears? For He is like the fire of a refiner, and like the soap of a launderer. And He shall sit as a refiner and a cleanser of silver. And He shall cleanse the sons of Lĕwi, and refine them as gold and silver, and they shall belong to יהוה, bringing near an offering in righteousness. Then shall the offering of Yehuḏah and Yerushalayim be pleasant to יהוה, as in the days of old, as in former years. And I shall draw near to you for right-ruling. And I shall be a swift witness against the practitioners of witchcraft, and against adulterers, and against them that swear to falsehood, and against those who oppress the wage earner in his wages and widows and the fatherless, and those who turn away a sojourner and do not fear Me,” said יהוה of hosts. For I am יהוה, I shall not change, and you, O sons of Ya‛aqoḇ, shall not come to an end.”
Zechariah 13:7-9, “O sword, awake against My Shepherd, against the Man who is My Companion,” declares יהוה of hosts. “Strike the Shepherd, and let the sheep be scattered. But I shall turn My hand upon the little ones. And it shall be throughout all the soil,” declares יהוה, “that two thirds therein are cut off and die, and one third is left therein. And I shall bring the third into fire, and refine them as silver is refined, and try them as gold is tried. They shall call on My Name, and I shall answer them. I shall say, ‘This is My people,’ while they say, ‘יהוה is my Strength.”
1 Peter 1:6-7, “(Salvation) in which you exult, even though for a little while, if need be, you have been grieved by manifold trials, in order that the proving of your belief – much more precious than gold that perishes, and proven by fire – might be found to result in praise and respect and esteem at the revelation of יהושע Messiah.”
Isaiah 48:9-11, “For My Name’s sake I postponed My displeasure, and for My praise I held it back from you, so as not to cut you off. See, I have refined you, but not as silver; I have chosen you in the furnace of affliction. For My own sake, for My own sake, I do it. For how is it profaned? And My esteem I do not give to another.”
Romans 8:28, “And we know that all matters work together for good to those who love Yah, to those who are called according to His purpose.”
Yirmeyahu/Jeremiah 13-1-10, “Thus יהוה said to me, “Go and get yourself a linen girdle, and put it on your loins, but do not put it in water. So I bought a girdle according to the word of יהוה, and put it on my loins. And the word of יהוה came to me the second time, saying, Take the girdle that you have bought, which is on your loins, and arise, go to the Euphrates, and hide it there in a hole in the rock.” And I went and hid it by the Euphrates, as יהוה commanded me. And it came to be after many days that יהוה said to me, “Arise, go to the Euphrates, and take from there the girdle which I commanded you to hide there. So I went to the Euphrates and dug, and I took the girdle from the place where I had hidden it. And there was the girdle, ruined. It was completely useless. And the word of יהוה came to me, saying, Thus said יהוה, ‘Thus I ruin the pride of Yehuḏah and the great pride of Yerushalayim. This evil people, who refuse to hear My Words, who walk in the stubbornness of their heart, and walk after other mighty ones to serve them and to bow themselves to them, is like this girdle which is completely useless.”
Psalms 81:8-16, “Hear, O My people, and let Me warn you, O Yisra’ĕl, if you would listen to Me! Let there be no strange mighty one among you, And do not bow down to a foreign mighty one. I am יהוה your Strength, Who brought you out of the land of Mitsrayim; Open your mouth wide, and I fill it. But My people did not listen to My voice, And Yisra’ĕl would not submit to Me. So I gave them over to their own stubborn heart, To walk in their own counsels. O, if My people had listened to Me, Yisra’ĕl would walk in My ways, I would subdue their enemies at once, And turn My hand against their adversaries! Those who hate יהוה would cringe before Him; And their time of punishment be forever. He would feed them with the finest of wheat; And with honey from the rock I would satisfy you.”
Psalm 24:1, "The earth belongs to יהוה, And all that fills it – The world and those who dwell in it."
Job 1:6-12, “And the day came to be that the sons of Elohim came to present themselves before יהוה, and Satan also came among them. And יהוה said to Satan, “From where do you come?” And Satan answered יהוה and said, “From diligently searching in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. And יהוה said to Satan, “Have you considered My servant Iyoḇ, that there is none like him on the earth, a perfect and straight man, one who fears Elohim and turns aside from evil? And Satan answered יהוה and said, “Is Iyoḇ fearing Elohim for naught? Have You not made a hedge around him, and around his household, and around all that he has on every side? You have blessed the work of his hands, and his possessions have increased in the land. But stretch out Your hand, please, and strike all that he has – if he would not curse You to Your face! And יהוה said to Satan, “See, all that he has is in your hand. Only do not lay a hand on himself.” And Satan went out from the presence of יהוה.”
Job 2:1-7, “Again the day came to be that the sons of Elohim came to present themselves before יהוה, and Satan also came among them to present himself before יהוה. And יהוה said to Satan, “From where do you come?” And Satan answered יהוה and said, “From diligently searching in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. And יהוה said to Satan, “Have you considered My servant Iyoḇ, that there is none like him on the earth, a perfect and straight man, one who fears Elohim and turns aside from evil? And still he holds fast to his integrity, although you incited Me against him, to destroy him without cause. And Satan answered יהוה and said, “Skin for skin, and all that a man has he would give for his life! But stretch out Your hand, please, and strike his bone and his flesh – if he would not curse You to Your face! And יהוה said to Satan, “See, he is in your hand, only spare his life. And Satan went out from the presence of יהוה, and struck Iyoḇ with loathsome sores from the sole of his foot to the crown of his head.”
1 Peter 5:8-11, “Be sober, watch, because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour. Resist him, firm in the belief, knowing that the same hardships are experienced by your brotherhood in the world. And the Mighty One of all favor, who called you to His everlasting esteem by Messiah יהושע, after you have suffered a while, Himself perfect, establish, strengthen, and settle you. To Him be the esteem and the might forever and ever. Awmĕin."
Job 42:1-3, “And Iyoḇ answered יהוה and said, You know that You are able to do all, and that no purpose is withheld from You. Who is this that hides counsel without knowledge? Therefore I declared but I did not understand, matters too marvelous for me, which I did not know.”
Isaiah 54:15-17, “See, they shall indeed assemble, but not because of Me. Whoever shall assemble against you falls for your sake! See, I Myself have created the blacksmith who blows the coals in the fire, who brings forth an instrument for his work. And I have created the waster to destroy. No weapon formed against you shall prosper, and every tongue which rises against you in judgment you shall prove wrong. This is the inheritance of the servants of יהוה, and their righteousness from Me,” declares יהוה.”
Proverbs 17:3, “A refining pot is for silver and a furnace for gold, But יהוה tries the hearts.”
Jeremiah 9:7, “Therefore thus said יהוה of hosts, “See, I shall refine them, and shall try them, for what shall I do because of the daughter of My people?”
Malachi 3:1-6, “See, I am sending My messenger, and he shall prepare the way before Me. Then suddenly the Master you are seeking comes to His Temple, even the Messenger of the covenant, in whom you delight. See, He is coming,” said יהוה of hosts. And who is able to bear the day of His coming, and who is able to stand when He appears? For He is like the fire of a refiner, and like the soap of a launderer. And He shall sit as a refiner and a cleanser of silver. And He shall cleanse the sons of Lĕwi, and refine them as gold and silver, and they shall belong to יהוה, bringing near an offering in righteousness. Then shall the offering of Yehuḏah and Yerushalayim be pleasant to יהוה, as in the days of old, as in former years. And I shall draw near to you for right-ruling. And I shall be a swift witness against the practitioners of witchcraft, and against adulterers, and against them that swear to falsehood, and against those who oppress the wage earner in his wages and widows and the fatherless, and those who turn away a sojourner and do not fear Me,” said יהוה of hosts. For I am יהוה, I shall not change, and you, O sons of Ya‛aqoḇ, shall not come to an end.”
Zechariah 13:7-9, “O sword, awake against My Shepherd, against the Man who is My Companion,” declares יהוה of hosts. “Strike the Shepherd, and let the sheep be scattered. But I shall turn My hand upon the little ones. And it shall be throughout all the soil,” declares יהוה, “that two thirds therein are cut off and die, and one third is left therein. And I shall bring the third into fire, and refine them as silver is refined, and try them as gold is tried. They shall call on My Name, and I shall answer them. I shall say, ‘This is My people,’ while they say, ‘יהוה is my Strength.”
1 Peter 1:6-7, “(Salvation) in which you exult, even though for a little while, if need be, you have been grieved by manifold trials, in order that the proving of your belief – much more precious than gold that perishes, and proven by fire – might be found to result in praise and respect and esteem at the revelation of יהושע Messiah.”
Isaiah 48:9-11, “For My Name’s sake I postponed My displeasure, and for My praise I held it back from you, so as not to cut you off. See, I have refined you, but not as silver; I have chosen you in the furnace of affliction. For My own sake, for My own sake, I do it. For how is it profaned? And My esteem I do not give to another.”
Romans 8:28, “And we know that all matters work together for good to those who love Yah, to those who are called according to His purpose.”
To sum it up I want to simply add, If we believe in an all powerful Creator, then we know YHWH created all beings and nothing can happen without Him allowing it. How would any evil spirit effect anyone ever if YHWH did not allow it? Clearly evil spirits are not allowed to torment/have effect on just anyone or every single person would be mad. It is a very simple equation, those who do evil open themselves up for evil spirits, I don't think it's instant but rather a continually going down the wrong path, becoming more and more sociopathic behavior, then given over to evil after a certain point.
1 Timothy 4:1-2, "Now the Spirit speaks very plainly, that in the latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of demons Speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their conscience seared as with a hot iron."
Romans 1:28-32, "And so, since they did not like to retain YHWH in their knowledge, YHWH gave them over to a reprobate mind..."
This verse kind of answers it in a single statement; "the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience.”"
Ephesians 2:1-2, “And you were dead in trespasses and sins, in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the ruler of the authority of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience.”
1 Timothy 4:1-2, "Now the Spirit speaks very plainly, that in the latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of demons Speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their conscience seared as with a hot iron."
Romans 1:28-32, "And so, since they did not like to retain YHWH in their knowledge, YHWH gave them over to a reprobate mind..."
This verse kind of answers it in a single statement; "the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience.”"
Ephesians 2:1-2, “And you were dead in trespasses and sins, in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the ruler of the authority of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience.”