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Care to include the whole verse or is context to support a pet doctrine more important to you?
All of 1 John 3.10 says:
[SUP]10 [/SUP]In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
John is stating that the children of the devil are not of God and cannot be righteous. Other versions use the word practice, which means the same as doeth found in other versions, greek for doeth/practice means:
TO MAKE OUT OF SOMETHING.
Nothing is biting the dust except for your ignorance of the word
All of 1 John 3.10 says:
[SUP]10 [/SUP]In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
John is stating that the children of the devil are not of God and cannot be righteous. Other versions use the word practice, which means the same as doeth found in other versions, greek for doeth/practice means:
TO MAKE OUT OF SOMETHING.
Nothing is biting the dust except for your ignorance of the word
Romans 8:4
That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 Peter 2:20-22King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP]For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
1 Timothy 6:11
But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.
That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 Peter 2:20-22King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP]For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
1 Timothy 6:11
But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.
you stated ...
and if this is so then 1 John 3.10 is redundant....you claim it does not matter what you do...but scripture is clear...
1 John 3:7
Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1 Peter 4:18
And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
1 John 3:7
Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1 Peter 4:18
And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
It's quite simple.
If in fact you are born again and, therefore, saved (past tense), many things are certain and irrevocable,
being worked in you by the power of the Holy Spirit.
God who began the good work of salvation in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus (Php 1:6),
by working in you to will and to act according to his good purpose in obedience (Php 2:13).
You will persevere in your faith, being kept there by the power of God (1Pe 1:5; Jn 10:28),
through his numerous Scriptural warnings, as well as discipline of his children when necessary,
in order to keep them in the way of obedience and holiness (Heb 12:5-11).
Your destiny is determined, for those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified;
and those he justified he also glorified (Ro 8:30), all past tense, done deal, with absolute certainty.
If the above, such as obedience and sanctification, are not occurring in your life,
then you have not been born again and, therefore, are not saved.
So what in the above does not line up and agree with all of Scripture?
If in fact you are born again and, therefore, saved (past tense), many things are certain and irrevocable,
being worked in you by the power of the Holy Spirit.
God who began the good work of salvation in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus (Php 1:6),
by working in you to will and to act according to his good purpose in obedience (Php 2:13).
You will persevere in your faith, being kept there by the power of God (1Pe 1:5; Jn 10:28),
through his numerous Scriptural warnings, as well as discipline of his children when necessary,
in order to keep them in the way of obedience and holiness (Heb 12:5-11).
Your destiny is determined, for those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified;
and those he justified he also glorified (Ro 8:30), all past tense, done deal, with absolute certainty.
If the above, such as obedience and sanctification, are not occurring in your life,
then you have not been born again and, therefore, are not saved.
So what in the above does not line up and agree with all of Scripture?
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12 ... work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;
13 for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.
Translation:
You'd better fear 'cause God is tryin' to make somethin' good in you and out of you!
And tryin' ain't succeeding ... His success depends on your free-will obedience!
Sorry, I don't have time to get into any full-blown explanations right now!
But, new thread coming tomorrow about this.
13 for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.
Translation:
You'd better fear 'cause God is tryin' to make somethin' good in you and out of you!
And tryin' ain't succeeding ... His success depends on your free-will obedience!
Sorry, I don't have time to get into any full-blown explanations right now!
But, new thread coming tomorrow about this.
This article refutes your heresy of works based salvation.
by Terry Watkins
Can a born again
Christian ever lose his salvation?
Can a Christian ever lose their salvation? Can someone who has truly been saved ever be lost?
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[TD] Salvation is BELIEVING in Jesus Christ[/TD]
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Salvation is trusting or believing in, by faith, that Jesus Christ paid for your sins with His blood on the cross of Calvary.
[TABLE]"He that BELIEVETH on the Son hath everlasting life:. . ." John 3:36
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever BELIEVETH in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever BELIEVETH in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16
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[TD] We are NOT saved by WORKS[/TD]
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The Bible makes it clear that OUR WORKS has nothing whatsoever to do with our salvation.
We don't receive it by our works — and we don't keep it by our works!
[TABLE]We don't receive it by our works — and we don't keep it by our works!
" NOT BY WORKS of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us,. . ." Titus 3:5
"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast." Ephesians 2:8,9
"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast." Ephesians 2:8,9
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[TD] Salvation is a FREE GIFT[/TD]
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Salvation is the free gift of God. If we had to work to keep it — it would not be a free gift — and God would be a liar!
[TABLE]". . . the GIFT of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." Romans 6:23
". . .by the righteousness of one THE FREE GIFT came upon all men unto justification of life." Romans 5:18
". . .by the righteousness of one THE FREE GIFT came upon all men unto justification of life." Romans 5:18
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[TD] Salvation is a NEW BIRTH.[/TD]
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Salvation is not enduring or a process, but an event in time. Salvation is a NEW BIRTH. Just as your first birth happened on a certain time and day, so does the second birth.
[TABLE]"(For he saith, I have heard thee in a TIME accepted, and in THE DAY OF SALVATION have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted TIME; behold, now is THE DAY OF SALVATION.)" 2 Corinthians 6:2
"Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be BORN AGAIN, he cannot see the kingdom of God." John 3:3
"Being BORN AGAIN, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever." 1 Peter 1:23
"Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be BORN AGAIN, he cannot see the kingdom of God." John 3:3
"Being BORN AGAIN, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever." 1 Peter 1:23
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[TD] You become a CHILD OF GOD[/TD]
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Once you are born again SPIRITUALLY — you become a child of God.
[TABLE]"Beloved, NOW are we the SONS OF GOD, . . ." 1 John 3:2
"For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of ADOPTION, whereby we cry, Abba, FATHER." Romans 8:15
"For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of ADOPTION, whereby we cry, Abba, FATHER." Romans 8:15
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[TD] Nothing can SEPARATE us from our Father[/TD]
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Just as nothing can "negate" your physical birth, nothing can "negate" your spiritual birth.
My children will always be my children. We may have troubled times. Our fellowship may be broken, but our relationship can never be broken. They will always be my children. Nothing or nobody can change that! And once you are born again spiritually — God becomes your Father — nothing or nobody can change that! Your fellowship may be broken, but your relationship can never be broken!
[TABLE]My children will always be my children. We may have troubled times. Our fellowship may be broken, but our relationship can never be broken. They will always be my children. Nothing or nobody can change that! And once you are born again spiritually — God becomes your Father — nothing or nobody can change that! Your fellowship may be broken, but your relationship can never be broken!
"For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, SHALL BE ABLE TO SEPARATE US from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord." Romans 8:38
"My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand." John 10:29
"My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand." John 10:29
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[TD] Jesus will NEVER leave us[/TD]
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Jesus promised He will never leave us. Jesus could not say this if there was even a chance of losing our salvation.
[TABLE]". . .for he hath said, I WILL NEVER LEAVE THEE, nor forsake thee." Hebrews 13:5
". . . and, lo, I am with you ALWAY, even unto the end of the world. Amen." Matthew 28:20
". . . and, lo, I am with you ALWAY, even unto the end of the world. Amen." Matthew 28:20
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[TD] We already HAVE eternal life[/TD]
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When the Bible speaks of possessing eternal life, it speaks in the present tense (hath, have, etc.) — SOMETHING WE ALREADY HAVE! If we had to work or endure to keep our salvation, this could not be true.
[TABLE]"He that believeth on the Son HATH EVERLASTING LIFE:.. ." John 3:36
"These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that YE HAVE ETERNAL LIFE,. . ." 1 John 5:13
"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, HATH EVERLASTING LIFE,. . ." John 5:24
"These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that YE HAVE ETERNAL LIFE,. . ." 1 John 5:13
"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, HATH EVERLASTING LIFE,. . ." John 5:24
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[TD] Jesus will NOT cast you out[/TD]
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". . . him that cometh to me I WILL IN NO WISE CAST OUT." John 6:37
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[TD] We are COMPLETE in Jesus Christ[/TD]
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"And ye are COMPLETE IN HIM, which is the head of all principality and power:" Colossians 2:10
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[TD] We are PERFECTED FOR EVER[/TD]
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We are "perfected for ever" by Jesus Christ. How could the Lord say such a bold statement if we had to earn or keep our salvation?
[TABLE]"By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ ONCE FOR ALL. . . For by one offering he hath PERFECTED FOR EVER them that are sanctified." Hebrews 10:10,14
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[TD] We are PRESERVED in Christ Jesus[/TD]
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"Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and PRESERVED IN JESUS CHRIST, and called:" Jude 1
[TABLE]"And THE LORD. . . WILL PRESERVE ME unto his heavenly kingdom:. . ." 2 Timothy 4:18
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[TD] We are KEPT by the POWER of God[/TD]
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"Who are KEPT BY THE POWER OF GOD through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time." 1 Peter 1:5
"Now unto him that is able TO KEEP YOU from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy," Jude 24
[TABLE]"Now unto him that is able TO KEEP YOU from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy," Jude 24
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[TD] We are saved to the UTTERMOST[/TD]
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"Wherefore he is able also to save them to the UTTERMOST that come unto God by him,. . ." Hebrews 7:25
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[TD] We are SEALED until the day of redemption[/TD]
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"And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby YE ARE SEALED unto the day of redemption." Ephesians 4:30
". . .after that ye believed, YE WERE SEALED with that holy Spirit of promise," Ephesians 1:13
[TABLE]". . .after that ye believed, YE WERE SEALED with that holy Spirit of promise," Ephesians 1:13
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[TD] What about the BACKSLIDER?[/TD]
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What about the "backslider" or somebody that forsakes the Lord? The Bible says he will suffer loss (rewards, etc.) — but he himself shall be saved!
[TABLE]"For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: BUT HE HIMSELF SHALL BE SAVED; yet so as by fire." 1 Corinthians 3:11-15
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[TD] We become the BODY OF CHRIST[/TD]
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"For we are MEMBERS OF HIS BODY, of his flesh, and of his bones." Ephesians 5:30
"Now ye are the BODY OF CHRIST, and members in particular." 1 Corinthians 12:18
[TABLE]"Now ye are the BODY OF CHRIST, and members in particular." 1 Corinthians 12:18
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[TD] What if we later — BELIEVE NOT?[/TD]
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Our salvation is so secure — even if we BELIEVE NOT after we're saved, because we become part of Him (the body of Christ), ". . .yet he abideth faithful: HE CANNOT DENY HIMSELF."
[TABLE]"If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: HE CANNOT DENY HIMSELF." 2 Timothy 2:13
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[TD] But what if I sin an awful sin?[/TD]
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1 Corinthians 5 reports of an awful sin in the church. And even though Paul commands ". . . To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh" — Paul still speaks of that person being saved — ". . .that the spirit MAY BE SAVED. . ."
[TABLE]"It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife. . .To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit MAY BE SAVED in the day of the Lord Jesus." 1 Corinthians 5:1,5
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[TD] To lose your salvation — makes God a LIAR[/TD]
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With all the PROMISES from God to KEEP you, to SAVE you, to PRESERVE you — to even suggest you could lose your salvation — is to call God a LIAR!
[TABLE]". . .he that BELIEVETH NOT GOD hath made him a LIAR; . . ." 1 John 5:10
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[TD] Why do people doubt their salvation?[/TD]
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- They trust in feelings rather than the word of God.
"He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool:. . ." Proverbs 28:26 - They are confused by the simplicity of salvation.
"But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted from THE SIMPLICITY that is in Christ." 2 Corinthians 11:3 - They trust in tradition or church teachings rather than the word of God.
"Making the word of God of none effect through your TRADITION,. . ." Mark 7:13 - They trust in their own righteousness.
". . . and all OUR RIGHTEOUSNESSES are as filthy rags;. . ." Isaiah 64:6 - They misapply and misunderstand scriptures.
They misapply scriptures such as Matthew 24:13, Hebrews 10:26 to the church age of grace, when they doctrinally apply to the tribulation or the millenium. - They have NEVER been saved.
"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven;. . ." Matthew 7:21
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HAVE YOU EVER BEEN SAVED?
Is there a time and place in your life, when you trusted in the blood of Jesus Christ? Not joined a church, not kept the sacraments, not baptism, not good works — but simply, by faith, prayed and asked Jesus Christ to save you?
To die without Jesus Christ will be the worst thing you could ever do.
"And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the LAKE OF FIRE." Revelation 20:15
YOU CAN BE SAVED THIS VERY MINUTE!- Know you're a sinner."As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:" Romans 3:10 "... for there is no difference. For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;" Romans 3:23
- That Jesus Christ died on the cross to pay for your sins."Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, ..." 1 Peter 2:24 "... Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood," Revelation 1:5
- And the best way you know how, simply trust Him, and Him alone as your personal Savior."For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16 "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." Romans 10:13
Pray this prayer, and mean it with all your heart. Lord Jesus, I know that I am a sinner, and unless you save me I am lost forever. I thank you for dying for me at Calvary. I come to you now, Lord the best way I know how, and ask you to save me. I now receive you as my Savior. In Jesus Christ Name, Amen.
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[TD]This tract and others are available in "printed" form.[/TD]
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Apparently the Topic Creator thinks Christ's sacrifice wasn't enough to save us. He also thinks that our righteous acts are more powerful than they really are.
Don't forget Isaiah 64 "All our righteousnesses are like filthy rags" and Romans 3:23 "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God."
This idea that we can somehow maintain our salvation, hold up our end of the deal, and earn our salvation through our deeds is ridiculous. It's mockery to a holy God.
Don't forget Isaiah 64 "All our righteousnesses are like filthy rags" and Romans 3:23 "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God."
This idea that we can somehow maintain our salvation, hold up our end of the deal, and earn our salvation through our deeds is ridiculous. It's mockery to a holy God.
It's quite simple.
If in fact you are born again and, therefore, saved (past tense), many things are certain and irrevocable,
being worked in you by the power of the Holy Spirit
[SUP]28 [/SUP]As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, [SUP]29 [/SUP]for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable. [SUP]30 [/SUP]Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, [SUP]31 [/SUP]so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now[SUP][h][/SUP] receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you. [SUP]32 [/SUP]For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
God called all men and he gave gifts....not all men will answer the call and some who answer will trample upon his gifts. God bound all over to disobedience....so it is clear His call is to obedience....The HS in us is the power to obey
John 1:11-13
[SUP]11 [/SUP]He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
the HS is working in us...but it is we who have to will and do in obedience....
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
we are kept by the power of God through faith..... [SUP]5 [/SUP]Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
Colossians 1:21-23
[SUP]21 [/SUP]And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
[SUP]22 [/SUP]In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
[SUP]23 [/SUP]If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
[SUP]29 [/SUP]For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Every man is responsible for his destiny...
[SUP]35 [/SUP]Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
[SUP]36 [/SUP]As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
[SUP]37 [/SUP]Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
[SUP]38 [/SUP]For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
[SUP]39 [/SUP]Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
only the man himself holds the power to separate himself from God through disobedience...
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11 [/SUP]He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
God predestined us to be conformed to the image of his son....he gave us the power to do so....
Philippians 2:12
Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.1 John 2:5-7
[SUP]5 [/SUP]But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.
Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.1 John 2:5-7
[SUP]5 [/SUP]But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.
Here is what John, whom was directly taught by Jesus, wrote...
1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
To claim that righteousness is purely positional is very foolish. John specifically states that righteousness is connected to doing. Therefore to claim that a Christian is righteous in mere "position" and that what they "do" cannot change it is utterly absurd.
The reason righteousness is through faith is because faith is of the heart, faith is the inward motivation. Genuine righteousness is rooted in a heart transformation. Fake righteousness is rooted in the mere outward observance to some set of rules which can be adhered to even with a wicked heart. Thus the righteousness of God is via the faith of Jesus Christ, a faith that works by love for love works no ill.
2Cor 5:21 is speaking of an internal transformation, not some positional transaction. Many people want to believe in a positional transaction because it gives them a license to keep sinning due to the fact that conduct is deemed irrelevant.
In the very next verse after 2Cor 5:21 Paul speaks of "working together with God lest grace is received to no working effect." In other words if there is no "doing the word" then there is no "made the righteousness of God in Him." This is why Jesus would specifically teach that we must abide in Him and keep His commandments. It is in the DOING that heart transformation takes place. Jesus preached "hear and do" not "hear and accept." True belief is doing.
2Co 6:1 We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain.
The Son of God manifests with power when we obey through the Spirit. That is why we receive grace and apostleship for obedience to the faith. Hearing and doing is an active dynamic which produces inward purity and it is through inward purity that we may be reconciled to God through the New Covenant.
There are so many deceivers around today, most of whom are ignorant due to not having taken the time to seriously examine what they believe following a true repentance. These deceivers teach that "doing" is secondary to "trusting" and preach an invented transaction theology which gives people a license for immorality. The vast majority of professing Christian's are totally deceived by these people and it is horrible. Don't be one of them please.
1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
To claim that righteousness is purely positional is very foolish. John specifically states that righteousness is connected to doing. Therefore to claim that a Christian is righteous in mere "position" and that what they "do" cannot change it is utterly absurd.
The reason righteousness is through faith is because faith is of the heart, faith is the inward motivation. Genuine righteousness is rooted in a heart transformation. Fake righteousness is rooted in the mere outward observance to some set of rules which can be adhered to even with a wicked heart. Thus the righteousness of God is via the faith of Jesus Christ, a faith that works by love for love works no ill.
2Cor 5:21 is speaking of an internal transformation, not some positional transaction. Many people want to believe in a positional transaction because it gives them a license to keep sinning due to the fact that conduct is deemed irrelevant.
In the very next verse after 2Cor 5:21 Paul speaks of "working together with God lest grace is received to no working effect." In other words if there is no "doing the word" then there is no "made the righteousness of God in Him." This is why Jesus would specifically teach that we must abide in Him and keep His commandments. It is in the DOING that heart transformation takes place. Jesus preached "hear and do" not "hear and accept." True belief is doing.
2Co 6:1 We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain.
The Son of God manifests with power when we obey through the Spirit. That is why we receive grace and apostleship for obedience to the faith. Hearing and doing is an active dynamic which produces inward purity and it is through inward purity that we may be reconciled to God through the New Covenant.
There are so many deceivers around today, most of whom are ignorant due to not having taken the time to seriously examine what they believe following a true repentance. These deceivers teach that "doing" is secondary to "trusting" and preach an invented transaction theology which gives people a license for immorality. The vast majority of professing Christian's are totally deceived by these people and it is horrible. Don't be one of them please.
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Two points...
1. This verse...
Isa 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
... is Isaiah speaking in a general sense on behalf of a rebellious Israel. He is no way claiming that the righteousness of the saints is as filthy rags before God, to proof text that verse in such a way is utterly evil.
In the verse immediately prior to that verse Isaiah wrote...
Isa 64:5 Thou meetest him that rejoiceth and worketh righteousness, those that remember thee in thy ways: behold, thou art wroth; for we have sinned: in those is continuance, and we shall be saved.
God accepts those who work righteousness, those who forsake evil and yield themselves back to God. It is the rebellious whose "righteousness is as filthy rages...
Isa 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
Abel's righteous deed was accepted by God, it was not viewed as a filthy rag.
Heb 11:4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
It is very easy to cherry pick isolated portions of the Bible and use those portions to proof text a lie. It is easy yet damnable.
Jesus sacrifice is enough to save us IF we approach God by the blood with a true heart seeking cleansing. Jesus wasn't a substitute for obedience or a substitute for righteousness, the death of Christ is the MEANS by which we approach God in repentance and faith. To be cleansed and then willfully engage in evil afterwards is to mock the grace of God.
Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
How anyone can claim that it is to mock God if we contend that "we have to hold up our end of the deal" is beyond me. Don't you understand what a covenant is? A covenant requires two parties to be acting in concord for it to be effectual. Does one participant in a marriage covenant somehow not have to "do anything" in order to remain in covenant? Of course they do, both parties must be faithful. Faithfulness has NOTHING to do with EARNING the opportunity for reconciliation, faithfulness is a CONDITION for that opportunity to be effectual.
This is all so simple. So simple indeed. We are to stop yielding ourselves to evil and yield ourselves wholeheartedly to God. We do that through repentance and faith and God via the Spirit empowers us to walk in total victory over the evil one. Amen!
1. This verse...
Isa 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
... is Isaiah speaking in a general sense on behalf of a rebellious Israel. He is no way claiming that the righteousness of the saints is as filthy rags before God, to proof text that verse in such a way is utterly evil.
In the verse immediately prior to that verse Isaiah wrote...
Isa 64:5 Thou meetest him that rejoiceth and worketh righteousness, those that remember thee in thy ways: behold, thou art wroth; for we have sinned: in those is continuance, and we shall be saved.
God accepts those who work righteousness, those who forsake evil and yield themselves back to God. It is the rebellious whose "righteousness is as filthy rages...
Isa 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
Abel's righteous deed was accepted by God, it was not viewed as a filthy rag.
Heb 11:4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
It is very easy to cherry pick isolated portions of the Bible and use those portions to proof text a lie. It is easy yet damnable.
Jesus sacrifice is enough to save us IF we approach God by the blood with a true heart seeking cleansing. Jesus wasn't a substitute for obedience or a substitute for righteousness, the death of Christ is the MEANS by which we approach God in repentance and faith. To be cleansed and then willfully engage in evil afterwards is to mock the grace of God.
Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
How anyone can claim that it is to mock God if we contend that "we have to hold up our end of the deal" is beyond me. Don't you understand what a covenant is? A covenant requires two parties to be acting in concord for it to be effectual. Does one participant in a marriage covenant somehow not have to "do anything" in order to remain in covenant? Of course they do, both parties must be faithful. Faithfulness has NOTHING to do with EARNING the opportunity for reconciliation, faithfulness is a CONDITION for that opportunity to be effectual.
This is all so simple. So simple indeed. We are to stop yielding ourselves to evil and yield ourselves wholeheartedly to God. We do that through repentance and faith and God via the Spirit empowers us to walk in total victory over the evil one. Amen!
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Too bad this article doesn't include the NT verses that clearly state:
People can lose, reject, walk away from, etc. their "eternal life".
(Obviously, in each case, whoever Scripture is talking to, or about,
is in danger of losing what they already have.)
Looks like I'm a-gonna have to post these babies once again!
Not that I'm sure it will do any good ... 'cause ...
The only Person on earth who can un-brainwash the brainwashed is the Holy Spirit.
'Tis necessary for the brainwashed to be open, willing, and eager to hear spiritual truth
... and not insist on continuing to be filled with UNBELIEF.
This is true for receiving the revelation of other major spiritual truths as well,
e.g. cessationism and the pre-trib rapture doctrine, witch are from the very pits of Hell.
Maximim of the Day:
Do not trust what your church teaches, nor what the TV preachers say!
People can lose, reject, walk away from, etc. their "eternal life".
(Obviously, in each case, whoever Scripture is talking to, or about,
is in danger of losing what they already have.)
Looks like I'm a-gonna have to post these babies once again!
Not that I'm sure it will do any good ... 'cause ...
The only Person on earth who can un-brainwash the brainwashed is the Holy Spirit.
'Tis necessary for the brainwashed to be open, willing, and eager to hear spiritual truth
... and not insist on continuing to be filled with UNBELIEF.
This is true for receiving the revelation of other major spiritual truths as well,
e.g. cessationism and the pre-trib rapture doctrine, witch are from the very pits of Hell.
Maximim of the Day:
Do not trust what your church teaches, nor what the TV preachers say!
J
1joseph, i think the message got mixed up in the translation or interpretation or a right use of english i forget the name of that means the opposite;
ie. (1) decontamination believes Jesus is God.
(2) satan and the fallen angels believe Jesus is God.
(3) avoice is saying that believing Jesus is God is not enough for satan and the fallen angels to be saved. (which also you and i and all believers agree with).
(4) satan and the fallen angels cannot benefit from repentance. Jesus did not die and be raised for them.
(5) esau tried with tears to repent, and could not. in the NT it says he was immoral , et al. (not just mistaken; but wicked)
(6) judas the betrayer could not repent and be saved. he was lost. as Jesus says.
(7) not he who hears the word is saved. he who DOES the word. be doers and not hearers only.
(8) couch potatoes are not saved. by default and definition of couch potatoes. they don't even pray. they sit with the enemy poouring into them from video tv or computer or phone, filling their vessel with unclean things.
(9) couch potatoes might be saved, if they .... ..... ..... ..... ...... (fill in the blanks with what Scripture says).
....
..
enuf for now. may or may not be bak... shalom to all who love the master yahushua and seek abba in heaven.
ie. (1) decontamination believes Jesus is God.
(2) satan and the fallen angels believe Jesus is God.
(3) avoice is saying that believing Jesus is God is not enough for satan and the fallen angels to be saved. (which also you and i and all believers agree with).
(4) satan and the fallen angels cannot benefit from repentance. Jesus did not die and be raised for them.
(5) esau tried with tears to repent, and could not. in the NT it says he was immoral , et al. (not just mistaken; but wicked)
(6) judas the betrayer could not repent and be saved. he was lost. as Jesus says.
(7) not he who hears the word is saved. he who DOES the word. be doers and not hearers only.
(8) couch potatoes are not saved. by default and definition of couch potatoes. they don't even pray. they sit with the enemy poouring into them from video tv or computer or phone, filling their vessel with unclean things.
(9) couch potatoes might be saved, if they .... ..... ..... ..... ...... (fill in the blanks with what Scripture says).
....
..
enuf for now. may or may not be bak... shalom to all who love the master yahushua and seek abba in heaven.
Thanks, newbirth, but I'm not sure I understand what you are saying.
Are you saying the Biblical verses I presented are not true, or they are in contradiction to the verses you present?
I don't see any contradiction between any of them, but find them all to be in agreement.
So would you please show specifically how each one I presented contradicts what you presented,
if that is what you are saying.
If that is not what you are saying, would you please explain what you are saying.
Are you saying the Biblical verses I presented are not true, or they are in contradiction to the verses you present?
I don't see any contradiction between any of them, but find them all to be in agreement.
So would you please show specifically how each one I presented contradicts what you presented,
if that is what you are saying.
If that is not what you are saying, would you please explain what you are saying.
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