Yes, RIGHTEOUSNESS comes through FAITH, but …

[AtonedFor]

This is all so simple. So simple indeed.
We are to stop yielding ourselves to evil and yield ourselves wholeheartedly to God.
We do that through repentance and faith and God via the Spirit
empowers us to walk in total victory over the evil one. Amen!

Erin ... This is all so simple. So simple indeed.

 

[newbirth]

The fallen angels were not given a savior. Christ did not die for Satan, he died for us. We are given a way out of Gods wrath, it is clear satan does not. Why do you think they are angry, and coming to murder us?

Demons believe because they have experienced Him first hand. We are constantly being deceived by satan and by other men. I believe that that was written to remind us that both satan actually does fear God, and to remind us that merely believing isnt enough, that you do have to accept His will as yours. But we are not angels, and no where does the bible say they were given a savior. Only we were given one.

Righteousness comes from faith in the One who the world and fallen angels hidden from sight are trying to pull us away from. But Christ did say we have to accept His will, the will of God, to be saved.

But righteousness comes through faith. No man is righteous, God makes us so.
And having true faith means not refusing His will. For example, being gay and calling it okay, while saying you believe in God. Its not works, its faith that God knows whats best :3

if true faith means not refusing his will....then it means doing his will....which equals true faith is doing his will...then doing his will is doing works of faith ......are they not?....where does that leave doing his will without works of faith.....as James says faith without works is dead....

 

[pug32]

[SUP]1 Cor. 3:10 [/SUP]According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
[SUP][SUP]11 [/SUP]For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12 [/SUP]Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
[SUP]17 [/SUP]If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

THERE IS A FOUNDATION [SUP]11 [/SUP]For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

[SUP]Eph. 2:8 [/SUP]For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Not of works, lest any man should boast.

BUT WHAT WE BUILD ON IT GET BURN OR NOT [SUP]15 [/SUP]If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

BUT IF WE AS BELIEVERS "CHRISTIANS" DON'T DO THE TRUTH THAT GOD HAS TAUGHT, WE CAN DEFILE THE TEMPLE OF GOD [SUP]17 [/SUP]If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
[SUP]1 JOHN 1:6 [/SUP]If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

THE WORD TRANSLATED DESTROY ,IN THIS VERSE, IS THE GREEK WORD φθερεῖ, WHICH IS THE SAME GREEK WORD TRANSLATED DEFILE
[SUP]1 Cor. 3:17[/SUP]εἴ τις τὸν ναὸν τοῦ θεοῦ φθείρει, φθερεῖ τοῦτον ὁ θεός: ὁ γὰρ ναὸς τοῦ θεοῦ ἅγιός ἐστιν, οἵτινές ἐστε ὑμεῖς.

[TABLE="class: cms_table"]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #9999ff"]Person[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #9999ff"] 3[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #999999"]Tense[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #999999"] F[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #9999ff"]Voice[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #9999ff"] A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #999999"]Mood[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #999999"] I[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #9999ff"]Number[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #9999ff"] S[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

φθείρω,v \{fthi'-ro}
[SIZE=-1] 1) to corrupt, to destroy 1a) in the opinion of the Jews, the temple was corrupted or "destroyed" when anyone defiled or in the slightest degree damaged anything in it, or if its guardians neglected their duties 1b) to lead away a Christian church from that state of knowledge and holiness in which it ought to abide 1c) to be destroyed, to perish 1d) in an ethical sense, to corrupt, deprave
[/SIZE]

[TABLE="class: cms_table, align: center"]
[TR]
[TD][TABLE="class: cms_table"]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #9999ff"]Person[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #9999ff"] 3[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #999999"]Tense[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #999999"] P[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #9999ff"]Voice[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #9999ff"] A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #999999"]Mood[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #999999"] I[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #9999ff"]Number[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #9999ff"] S[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[/TD]
[TD]φθείρω,v \{fthi'-ro}
[SIZE=-1] 1) to corrupt, to destroy 1a) in the opinion of the Jews, the temple was corrupted or "destroyed" when anyone defiled or in the slightest degree damaged anything in it, or if its guardians neglected their duties 1b) to lead away a Christian church from that state of knowledge and holiness in which it ought to abide 1c) to be destroyed, to perish 1d) in an ethical sense, to corrupt, deprave [/SIZE][/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


JUST BECAUSE WE ARE BELIEVERS "CHRISTIAN" DOES NOT MEAN WE CANNOT SIN [SUP]1 JOHN 1:9 [/SUP]If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 2 PETER 2:20B they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

[SUP]2 PETER 2:20 [/SUP]For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

1 JOHN 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

WE CAN BE ENTANGLED AND DEFILE OURSELF BUT ARE SAVLATION IS NOT BUILT ON WORKS IT BUILT ON CHRIST [SUP]11 [/SUP]For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.​

[SUP]Rom. 8:30 [/SUP]Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
[SUP]32 [/SUP]He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
[SUP]33 [/SUP]Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
[SUP]34 [/SUP]Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
[SUP]35 [/SUP]Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
[SUP]36 [/SUP]As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
[SUP]37 [/SUP]Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
[SUP]38[/SUP]For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
[SUP]39 [/SUP]Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Heb. 10:17-18 and their sins and iniquities will I remember no more 18. now where remission (forgiveness) of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

[SUP]17[/SUP]καὶ τῶν ἁμαρτιῶν αὐτῶν καὶ τῶν ἀνομιῶν αὐτῶν οὐ μὴ μνησθήσομαι ἔτι.
I love this verse for proving you cannot lose your salvation. It is strong in The english but even strong in the greek.

ou m(e) mn(e)sth(o)= 1 pers, sing, aor. 1, sub, pass)

1. ou m(e) Dana and Mantey in there Greek grammar states: this doubling of the negatives we can now say unreservedly that the negatives were doubled for the purpose of stating denials or prohibitions emphatically.

μνησθήσομαι

[TABLE]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #9999ff"]Person[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #9999ff"] 1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #999999"]Tense[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #999999"] F[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #9999ff"]Voice[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #9999ff"] P[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #999999"]Mood[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #999999"] I[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #9999ff"]Number[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #9999ff"] S[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

2. passive voice is the use of the verb which denotes the subject as receiving the action (D&M).

So I would trans. the verse (Heb. 10:17 and their sins and iniquities will I remember no more)
like this: no ways/ no means will I be made to remember
No matter what sin or iniquities we do we cannot make God remember ours sins, we are forgive!

Your friend in Christ
pug32

 

[AtonedFor]

Your destiny is determined, for those he predestined, he also called;
those he called, he also justified; and those he justified he also glorified (Ro 8:30)

This passage has always bothered me because of the word "called".
Just how can it be understood ... so it will fit in with everything else?

See, I'm not like those you're in bed with ... I don't ignore any Scriptures!

Right now, I can only surmise that ...
-- the elect group were predestined to be called, and etc.
-- another group was just simply called later when needed

Please do not forget that this is only one passage, and somehow it must fit.

P.S. you are invited to comment on my translation of Phil 2:12-13.

 

[Elin]

if true faith means not refusing his will....
then it means doing his will....
which equals true faith is doing his will...
then doing his will is doing works of faith ......are they not?....
where does that leave doing his will without works of faith.....as James says faith without works is dead....

True faith means you believe and trust on Jesus Christ and his work on the cross to forgive your sin and save you from the wrath of God (Ro 5:9) at the final judgment.

It means obeying Jesus Christ according to what the apostles teach in the NT.

Which equals true faith = belief/trust in Jesus Christ + obedience.

Then doing his will (obedience) is a manifestation of true faith.

Where does that leave doing his will (obedience) without faith. . .it leaves you in unbelief and unsaved.

For works do not save, faith alone saves.
But faith is never alone.

Just as:
Elin alone knit the sweater.
But Elin is never alone.

 

[newbirth]

This passage has always bothered me because of the word "called".
Just how can it be understood ... so it will fit in with everything else?

See, I'm not like those you're in bed with ... I don't ignore any Scriptures!

Right now, I can only surmise that ...
-- the elect group were predestined to be called, and etc.
-- another group was just simply called later when needed

Please do not forget that this is only one passage, and somehow it must fit.

P.S. you are invited to comment on my translation of Phil 2:12-13.

this is what we were predestined to do....people leave off vs 29 and hold to vs 30
[SUP]29 [/SUP]For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Romans 12:2
And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

 

[newbirth]

True faith means you believe and trust on Jesus Christ and his work on the cross to forgive your sin and save you from the wrath of God (Ro 5:9) at the final judgment.

It means obeying Jesus Christ according to what the apostles teach in the NT.

Which equals true faith = belief/trust in Jesus Christ + obedience.

Then doing his will (obedience) is a manifestation of true faith.

Where does that leave doing his will (obedience) without faith. . .it leaves you in unbelief and unsaved.

For works do not save, faith alone saves.
But faith is never alone.

Just as:
Elin alone knit the sweater.
But Elin is never alone.

my dear friend you are teaching contrary to scripture....because you answer vs 14 in the affirmative...
[SUP]14 [/SUP]What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
and you also make a false claim against scripture by saying faith is never alone...when James clearly states that faith if it hath not works is dead being alone

[SUP]17 [/SUP]Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

 

[Elin]

This passage has always bothered me because of the word "called".
Just how can it be understood ... so it will fit in with everything else?

See, I'm not like those you're in bed with ... I don't ignore any Scriptures!

Right now, I can only surmise that ...
-- the elect group were predestined to be called, and etc.
-- another group was just simply called later when needed

Please do not forget that this is only one passage, and somehow it must fit.

P.S. you are invited to comment on my translation of Phil 2:12-13.

Hi, AtonedFor,

There are two "calls" in the NT, the general call offering the gospel to all (Mt 22:14),
and the effective call to the elect (Ro 1:6, 8:28; Heb 9:15).

"And you also are among those called to belong to Jesus Christ." (Ro 1:6)

"And we know that in all htings God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose." (Ro 8:28)

"For this reason, Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance. . ." (Heb 9:15)

 

[AtonedFor]

[SUP]17[/SUP]καὶ τῶν ἁμαρτιῶν αὐτῶν καὶ τῶν ἀνομιῶν αὐτῶν οὐ μὴ μνησθήσομαι ἔτι.
I love this verse for proving you cannot lose your salvation.
It is strong in The english but even strong in the greek.

It's all Greek to me, but do you also love the verses which say you can?

 

[newbirth]

Hi, AtonedFor,

There are two "calls" in the NT, the general call offering the gospel to all (Mt 22:14),
and the effective call to the elect (Ro 1:6, 8:28; Heb 9:15).

"And you also are among those called to belong to Jesus Christ." (Ro 1:6)

"And we know that in all htings God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose." (Ro 8:28)

"For this reason, Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance. . ." (Heb 9:15)

gross misunderstanding of scripture.....
Acts 2:39
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

 

[AtonedFor]

[SUP]29 [/SUP]For whom he did foreknow,
he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son,
that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Romans 8:
28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God,
to those who are the called according to His purpose.
29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to
the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called;
whom He called, these He also justified;
and whom He justified, these He also glorified.

God knows the end from the beginning.
God knows the hearts of all men ... throughout all of time.
God chose a particular "elect" group, knowing they would satisfy Him.
God predestined them and called them according to His purpose.
God knew they would be obedient and succeed in being His overcomers.
God knew they would be granted eternal life.

 

[Elin]

12 ... work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;
13 for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.

Translation:
You'd better fear 'cause God is tryin' to make somethin' good in you and out of you!
And tryin' ain't succeeding ... His success depends on your free-will obedience!

Sorry, I don't have time to get into any full-blown explanations right now!
But, new thread coming tomorrow about this.

P.S. you are invited to comment on my translation of Phil 2:12-13.

Invitation accepted.

Translation:

"Continue to work out what God has worked in."
The Holy Spirit works out (sanctity) what Christ's work has worked in (justification, position of right standing with God).

"In fear and trembling."
In order that we do not come short through unbelief, as in Heb 3:19-4:1,
we make our calling and election sure to ourselves (2Pe 1:10) by practicing godliness with the power of the Holy Spirit, which keeps us from falling (2Pe 1:5-10).

 

[newbirth]

So I would trans. the verse (Heb. 10:17 and their sins and iniquities will I remember no more)
like this: no ways/ no means will I be made to remember
No matter what sin or iniquities we do we cannot make God remember ours sins, we are forgive!

Romans 3:25
Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

Hebrews 10:18
Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

what happens when you sin after your sins are remitted?

[SUP]26 [/SUP]For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
[SUP]27 [/SUP]But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
[SUP]30 [/SUP]For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.


of course God forgives us when we confess and repent of our sins....but he also says.... sin not...

 

[Elin]

Hi, AtonedFor,

There are two "calls" in the NT, the general call offering the gospel to all (Mt 22:14),
and the effective call to the elect (Ro 1:6, 8:28; Heb 9:15).

"And you also are among those called to belong to Jesus Christ." (Ro 1:6)

"And we know that in all htings God works for the good of those who love him,
who have been called according to his purpose." (Ro 8:28)

"For this reason, Christ is the mediator of a new covenant,
that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance. . ." (Heb 9:15)

gross misunderstanding of scripture.....
Acts 2:39
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even
as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Which is in perfect agreement with the Scriptures I posted.

 

[AtonedFor]

"In fear and trembling."
In order that we do not come short through unbelief, as in Heb 3:19-4:1,
we make our calling and election sure to ourselves (2Pe 1:10)
by practicing godliness with the power of the Holy Spirit,
which keeps us from falling (2Pe 1:5-10).

Bless you, Erin, but ...

This is all made possible by exercising our free will to practice godliness.
You may be a robot, but most of us are not ...
we have absolute total free-will to co-operate with the Holy Spirit, or not.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

When I confess Jesus as Lord and believe that God raised him from the dead [Romans 10:9,10] - I am saved. Within that salvation - there is the new birth - being born of the Spirit, having a new creation created within me. Now by birth of the spirit within me - God is my heavenly Father. My state as a daughter within the household of God is sealed . . . sealed until the day of redemption [Eph. 13,14]

But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved) And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus . . . For by grace are you saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God. Not of works lest any man should boast. [Ephesians 2:4-6; 8,9]

Righteousness, sanctification, justification, redemption [1 Cor. 1:30] - all these are given through faith in Jesus Christ - NO BUTS . . . at least I didn't read any.

 

[Hizikyah]

When I confess Jesus as Lord and believe that God raised him from the dead [Romans 10:9,10] - I am saved. Within that salvation - there is the new birth - being born of the Spirit, having a new creation created within me. Now by birth of the spirit within me - God is my heavenly Father. My state as a daughter within the household of God is sealed . . . sealed until the day of redemption [Eph. 13,14]

But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved) And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus . . . For by grace are you saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God. Not of works lest any man should boast. [Ephesians 2:4-6; 8,9]

Righteousness, sanctification, justification, redemption [1 Cor. 1:30] - all these are given through faith in Jesus Christ - NO BUTS . . . at least I didn't read any.

But we do still have to walk within the bounds of Messiah right?

Romans 8:1There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

1 Yahchanan (John) 2:6, "He who says he abides in Him, is himself also obligated to walk as He walked."

John 5:24, "Most certainly I tell you, he who hears (191 ) my word, and believes him who sent me, has eternal life, and doesn't come into judgment (2920), but has passed out of death into life."

191. akouó
akouó: to hear, listen
Original Word: ἀκούω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: akouó
Phonetic Spelling: (ak-oo'-o)
Short Definition: I hear, listen
Definition: I hear, listen, comprehend by hearing; pass: is heard, reported.

2920. krisis
krisis: a decision, judgment
Original Word: κρίσις, εως, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: krisis
Phonetic Spelling: (kree'-sis)
Short Definition: judging, divine judgment
Definition: judging, judgment, decision, sentence; generally: divine judgment; accusation.

Deuteronomy 18:18-19, "I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it"

"listen" is word #8085 שָׁמַע shama` {shaw-mah'}

Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
A primitive root; to hear intelligently (often with implication of attention, obedience, etc.; causatively to tell, etc.)

Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) - 1) to hear, listen to, obey

 

[Elin]

Bless you, Erin, but ...

This is all made possible by exercising our free will to practice godliness.
You may be a robot, but most of us are not ...
we have absolute total free-will to co-operate with the Holy Spirit, or not.

Yes, we freely choose to do what we want to do; i.e., practice godliness,
keeping in mind that God works in us to will (to want to do it)
and to act (so we freely choose to do it).
But it is all of God (Php 2:13).

And it's Elin, rather than Erin.

 

[AtonedFor]

Yes, we freely choose to do what we want to do; i.e., practice godliness,
keeping in mind that God works in us to will (to want to do it)
and to act (so we freely choose to do it).
But it is all of God (Php 2:13).

Elin, some have chosen not to walk with God.
Elin, some have chosen to continue sinning.
For all kinds of reasons.
Ask your pastor, who has probably seen it often.
Maybe in his own life.

Most do return, however.

But not so coming up!
Some BACs will NOT submit to having their heads chopped off.
Some BACs WILL submit to accepting the mark of the beast.
These "somes" will lose their eternal lives (eternal life)!

So much for good olde OSAS.

Theories are nice, but da proof's in da puddin'.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

But we do still have to walk within the bounds of Messiah right?

Romans 8:1There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

1 Yahchanan (John) 2:6, "He who says he abides in Him, is himself also obligated to walk as He walked."

John 5:24, "Most certainly I tell you, he who hears (191 ) my word, and believes him who sent me, has eternal life, and doesn't come into judgment (2920), but has passed out of death into life."

191. akouó
akouó: to hear, listen
Original Word: ἀκούω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: akouó
Phonetic Spelling: (ak-oo'-o)
Short Definition: I hear, listen
Definition: I hear, listen, comprehend by hearing; pass: is heard, reported.

2920. krisis
krisis: a decision, judgment
Original Word: κρίσις, εως, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: krisis
Phonetic Spelling: (kree'-sis)
Short Definition: judging, divine judgment
Definition: judging, judgment, decision, sentence; generally: divine judgment; accusation.

Deuteronomy 18:18-19, "I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it"

"listen" is word #8085 שָׁמַע shama` {shaw-mah'}

Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
A primitive root; to hear intelligently (often with implication of attention, obedience, etc.; causatively to tell, etc.)

Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) - 1) to hear, listen to, obey

I need to correct one thing in my previous post - My "state" as a daughter within the household of God is sealed . . . sealed until the day of redemption [Eph. 13,14] - should be my "standing" as a daughter is sealed until the day of redemption.

Then there is my walk within the household of God - my standing as a daughter is there forever - but my walk can fluctuate. In other words - my walk - done in the flesh - can be within the lines but at times those lines may be crossed. THAT does not change my standing as a daughter but it does change my fellowship [my state] with my heavenly Father.
My being God's daughter has no bearing whatsoever upon what I do; but my state is directly affected by my actions. Christ in you is sonship [standing] - you in Christ is fellowship [state]. I can't maintain my closeness, my fellowship with God if I am continually outside the lines - I have to get things back in realignment by asking forgiveness and start over again. This is done moment by moment, day by day . . . . but NOTHING touches that incorruptible seed within me once I am born again.