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I see that there are some guests viewing this thread so I'm going to quote the verses from I Peter chapter 2 verses 18 thru 25 that I just mentioned in case any of them don't have a Bible handy to reference:
Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear; not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward.
For this is thankworthy, if a man for conscience toward God endure grief, suffering wrongfully.
For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God.
For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:
Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:
Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:
Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.
Again, these are the verses which immediately precede Peter's use of the word likewise in I Peter chapter 3 verse 1.
Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear; not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward.
For this is thankworthy, if a man for conscience toward God endure grief, suffering wrongfully.
For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God.
For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:
Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:
Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:
Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.
Again, these are the verses which immediately precede Peter's use of the word likewise in I Peter chapter 3 verse 1.
E
my husband is not perfect and neither am I
However, and that is a BIG however, he is considerate and puts me first often enough even when it has meant some hardship for him
this thread belongs in the bizarre and unfortuneatly true section
what you say about men not wanting to discuss their own responsibilities is so true...like I said, I have seen my husband really put himself out there for me
I think some people still do not actually understand what this thread was actually about...I commented at the beginning and did not come back to it until yesterday and it seems that over 20 pages of posting still did nothing to get some to acknowledge that the submit for the op was not a biblical mandate
So, we have some posting more scriptures and mumbling about men being the head of the home
That, was not what this thread was even about
Any woman that has ever had a man use his superior strength as a weapon against her, to force or hit or intimidate, understands that the topic of this thread is sick and dangerous.
unsubcribing from it now
However, and that is a BIG however, he is considerate and puts me first often enough even when it has meant some hardship for him
this thread belongs in the bizarre and unfortuneatly true section
what you say about men not wanting to discuss their own responsibilities is so true...like I said, I have seen my husband really put himself out there for me
I think some people still do not actually understand what this thread was actually about...I commented at the beginning and did not come back to it until yesterday and it seems that over 20 pages of posting still did nothing to get some to acknowledge that the submit for the op was not a biblical mandate
So, we have some posting more scriptures and mumbling about men being the head of the home
That, was not what this thread was even about
Any woman that has ever had a man use his superior strength as a weapon against her, to force or hit or intimidate, understands that the topic of this thread is sick and dangerous.
unsubcribing from it now
P
I'd like to remind everyone here that this thread was started by a woman and not by some sort of brute beast man. Furthermore, I'd like to remind everyone here that that OP spoke nothing of a husband who inflicts any sort of pain upon her or any such thing unless she asks for it, at least not in the posts that I read. My response to this has been and will continue to be that any woman who finds pleasure in pain has some serious internal issues and/or problems to deal with and also that any man who would honor such a request from his own wife is equally internally in need of some serious help. Again, God ordained marriage between a man and his wife to be a natural reflection of the spiritual union between Christ and His church. Any Christian who wants Christ to inflict pain upon them or bind them is sick and any natural bride is equally as sick if she desires pain from her natural husband. Similarly, any Christ who finds pleasure or some sort of eroticism in inflicting pain upon his bride is not the Christ of the Bible. In fact, such is the spirit of antichrist. Husbands are called to nourish and cherish their wives as they would their own flesh. One poster avoided answering my questions in regard to what he would think of a husband who went around inflicting pain upon his own body even as I fully expected that he would. As such, I'll answer my own question:
Such a husband is sick and in need of some serious help and so, too, is any husband who inflicts such pain upon his own wife who is likened to being his own flesh.
My apologies to the women here who've had to endure the responses from certain men who have actually justified the OP and her husband and their perverted lifestyle. Not all men are brute beasts. I'm not.
Such a husband is sick and in need of some serious help and so, too, is any husband who inflicts such pain upon his own wife who is likened to being his own flesh.
My apologies to the women here who've had to endure the responses from certain men who have actually justified the OP and her husband and their perverted lifestyle. Not all men are brute beasts. I'm not.
R
That's very thoughtful and as I read responses and take in consideration those opinions, I hold to the Word, subject to My OWN husband, so those opinions in the end dont matter. Im nit a man hater in any way, and to lump everyone in the same catagory is unwise. Why can't the Word speak for itself?? Why do we all seek validation from others insread of God?
P
Hi Roserock.
I'm not sure that I'm understanding your post fully. Why did you say that you're not a man hater? Do you feel that I personally implied that in any sense? I agree with you that the Word ought to speak for itself and that the type of submission which is spoken of in scripture is in relation to a wife and her own husband. Of course, I've also sought to explain what type of submission that is and also to emphasize that husbands as spiritual brides themselves need to first be in submission to their own spiritual Husband Who is Christ or else some sort of abuse is inevitable in relation to their God-given authority within their own home. I've also sought to emphasize that authority isn't synonymous with domination in my understanding, but that it has to do a lot more with accountability and self-sacrifice than anything else. Also, I'm not sure why you asked why we all seek validation from others instead of God? I mean, I did recently post about having a conscience towards God and committing ourselves unto Him Who judges righteously and that's truly how I seek to live my own life. The opinions of men really matter not to me at all unless they are in line with God's Word and opinions. Like I said, I'm simply not sure that I'm understanding your post fully.
I'm not sure that I'm understanding your post fully. Why did you say that you're not a man hater? Do you feel that I personally implied that in any sense? I agree with you that the Word ought to speak for itself and that the type of submission which is spoken of in scripture is in relation to a wife and her own husband. Of course, I've also sought to explain what type of submission that is and also to emphasize that husbands as spiritual brides themselves need to first be in submission to their own spiritual Husband Who is Christ or else some sort of abuse is inevitable in relation to their God-given authority within their own home. I've also sought to emphasize that authority isn't synonymous with domination in my understanding, but that it has to do a lot more with accountability and self-sacrifice than anything else. Also, I'm not sure why you asked why we all seek validation from others instead of God? I mean, I did recently post about having a conscience towards God and committing ourselves unto Him Who judges righteously and that's truly how I seek to live my own life. The opinions of men really matter not to me at all unless they are in line with God's Word and opinions. Like I said, I'm simply not sure that I'm understanding your post fully.
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My post was no to you personally, just general. 
Now about that horse picture.
Although that's supposed to be a stick in the guy's hands, it looks like a loaf of Italian bread to me and now I'm craving some. The good news is that my wife just phoned and said that we've been invited to a picnic from noon til 3:00, so I'd better get ready. Who has a picnic on a Tuesday? Who cares? Have appetite! Will travel!
Thank you for toning down the discussion and directing it in a way that could be helpful to the OP. We believe that until a marriage becomes one in Christ, it will be plagued with misunderstanding of the instructions that Paul gave the Ephesians. Again, the OP couple needs to seek a Christian counselor, and work out the true bonds of a Christian relationship. As far as we are concerned, after 55 years together, there is no greater joy.
Again, thanks fro toning down and redirecting the discussion.
Billy
Again, thanks fro toning down and redirecting the discussion.
Billy
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Not everyone draws the distinction between the intimate/relationship side of submission and the Biblical. For some of us the two intersect.
In my marriage there's a huge line between my Master,God, and my husband. When I talk in terms of submission it's Biblical. Outside of that submission in my bedroom is private where God wants it.
In my marriage there's a huge line between my Master,God, and my husband. When I talk in terms of submission it's Biblical. Outside of that submission in my bedroom is private where God wants it.
B
Wholeheartedly agree!
People tell me all the time I'm too easygoing with my husband, "you should tell him....." "you shouldn't have to..." then sign and roll eyes when I explain I don't HAVE to, I WANT to. It's part because God says so and part because my submission and driving to be the best wife I can be is one way I show my appreciation to him for everything he does.
Not that we have a perfect marriage for we argue and both have our bad moments, and we're not perfect people. But we're perfect for each other.
I've also noticed that the vast majority of people who tell me how to live my marriage, treat me husband and generally how wrong my ideals are usually have self centered and/or horrible relationships themselves.
People tell me all the time I'm too easygoing with my husband, "you should tell him....." "you shouldn't have to..." then sign and roll eyes when I explain I don't HAVE to, I WANT to. It's part because God says so and part because my submission and driving to be the best wife I can be is one way I show my appreciation to him for everything he does.
Not that we have a perfect marriage for we argue and both have our bad moments, and we're not perfect people. But we're perfect for each other.
I've also noticed that the vast majority of people who tell me how to live my marriage, treat me husband and generally how wrong my ideals are usually have self centered and/or horrible relationships themselves.
H
I would have liked to have been a part of this from the beginning. "Sirs submissive " has a wonderful attitude that will make her marriage be a great blessing to her and her husband. Others of you have helped in her terms she used. I see this as so needed in our marriages today. Satan is destroying Christian marriages for want of true submission from each partner. My wife became very disrespectful to be when our oldest girl became rebellious to me. I think this was the part of the reason our youngest child ,a boy, became Homosexual. He had no physical or chemical imbalance to cause this; The reasons seems to have been physiological, sociological, spiritual. I think he is afraid of women. What do you think? I would like help understanding what when wrong. He was born 1976. Love to all, Hoffco Ps. His older brother 46yrs, has never married, is a great dedicated Christian. He was out of the home when the trouble started. But, why has he never married?
Submission does not mean a relationship like a general to a private in the army. Submitting to your husband does not mean a wife can’t have independent thoughts, feelings or desires. Or that she must follow her husband’s command if he’s sinning.
It doesn’t mean she’s less intelligent than her husband or that she shouldn’t seek to influence him in family decisions.
A husband and a wife are equal with complementary roles, and just as wives are called to submit to their husbands as head of the family, husbands are called to love their wives the way Christ loves the church (Eph. 5:25).
A submissive wife is not relegated to idly sitting by while her husband makes all the family decisions. In a healthy marriage, husband and wife work as a team. When a decision cannot be jointly agreed upon, the leader makes it, knowing he is responsible foremost unto God for that decision. In these circumstances or in a decision that the husband must make alone, a submissive wife is not overstepping her boundaries by offering counsel. She must learn to do it in a way that shows respect for his God-given position as head of the family. Expressing her opinions and giving advice and suggestions will often be a valuable part of the help that she gives her husband.
It doesn’t mean she’s less intelligent than her husband or that she shouldn’t seek to influence him in family decisions.
A husband and a wife are equal with complementary roles, and just as wives are called to submit to their husbands as head of the family, husbands are called to love their wives the way Christ loves the church (Eph. 5:25).
A submissive wife is not relegated to idly sitting by while her husband makes all the family decisions. In a healthy marriage, husband and wife work as a team. When a decision cannot be jointly agreed upon, the leader makes it, knowing he is responsible foremost unto God for that decision. In these circumstances or in a decision that the husband must make alone, a submissive wife is not overstepping her boundaries by offering counsel. She must learn to do it in a way that shows respect for his God-given position as head of the family. Expressing her opinions and giving advice and suggestions will often be a valuable part of the help that she gives her husband.
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Ephesians 5:22-24 says, "Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything."