Christians being murdered and driven out by extremist Muslims in the Middle East

[AgeofKnowledge]

Christians are being murdered and beheaded by Muslim Jihadists in the Middle East enmasse.

The Obama administration supports the most radical Muslim elements (e.g. the Saudi funded elements) in the Middle East who are murdering Christians and spends your tax money to give them the arms to do it in some cases.

The mainstream liberal media that wholly supports the Obama Administration has refused to cover the slaughter.

'Middle East genocide' of Christians and Jews | Fox News Video

 

[jimmydiggs]

Nothing extremist about it. It's just Islam how it's supposed to be.

 

[jack4022]

lol jimmydiggs, literally laughed for like 30 seconds when i read this. I can't even begin to explain to you how ignorant and ridiculous you are, but then again what can you expect, you're human. And AgeofKnowledge, I wouldn't be trusting the conservative media any more than the liberal media, both have their agendas, both seek to manipulate and change your perspectives in order to promote those agendas.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

I know how to qualify data and information Jack. I learned how years ago while earning a bachelor's of science in information systems with an A average and have applied the principles both professionally and in my own research for many years since. The information I posted is accurate. FOX News can be as biased as MSNBC but that does not negate the facts presented in the clip I added to my post. You apparently did not take the time to research the individuals being interviewed to see if their qualifications lined up with their assertions as while as examining associated evidence to see if they were telling the truth. I did. They are.

lol jimmydiggs, literally laughed for like 30 seconds when i read this. I can't even begin to explain to you how ignorant and ridiculous you are, but then again what can you expect, you're human. And AgeofKnowledge, I wouldn't be trusting the conservative media any more than the liberal media, both have their agendas, both seek to manipulate and change your perspectives in order to promote those agendas.

 

[jimmydiggs]

lol jimmydiggs, literally laughed for like 30 seconds when i read this. I can't even begin to explain to you how ignorant and ridiculous you are, but then again what can you expect, you're human.

Are jews the descendents of apes and pigs?

 

[leonardronaldo]

Islam does command the fighting of the unbelievers, yea, so islam itself is extreme. The fact that the muslims you meet aren't following those commandments, are their businesses. Just like a people who claim to be Christian who doesn't follow commandment of Christ for example killer, you can't say Christianity command you to do that or allow you to do it.
So it must be differed, Muslim is not Islam. Allah and Muhammad's commandment and saying, are Islam. So compare the teachings, is the best way to know the truth. People can claim anything whatsoever.
May the Grace of God be poured on us.

 

[jack4022]

Are jews the descendents of apes and pigs?

No I don't like Morsi

 

[jimmydiggs]

No I don't like Morsi

The Quran says it. He was just quoting it.

 

[Ritter]

Jimmydiggs is grabbing information from centuries of history. Muhammad was essentially a sophisticated desert raider who sought to spread his new cult through force, violence and bloodshed.

After Muhammad, the Caliphate was more judicious with their conquered peoples, but they were rendered second class citizens in need of liberation.

While we Christians have had our faux pas, our religion did not start with a military campaign.

And seriously Jack, if you truly believe someone is ignorant, it would serve you better to show kindness and attempt to teach them something rather than flaring up.

 

[nathan3]

sad. to say the lest.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Islam in the UK is growing at an astronomical rate according to recent studies.

“Muslims in England and Wales are practicing their faith and passing it on to their children at much higher rates than any other religion, including Christianity,” the Muslim News reported last month.

The report comes after research recently published in a sociology journal showed that 77% of actively practicing Muslim families successfully perpetuate their faith to the next generation, in contrast to only 29% in actively practicing Christian families and 65% in other religions.

The study, ‘Intergenerational transmission of Islam in England and Wales: evidence from the Citizenship Survey’ by academics from Cardiff University, also found that 98% of Muslim children surveyed said they had the religion their parents were brought up in, compared with 62% of Christians and 89% of other religions.

The team analyzed data from the Home Office’s 2003 Citizenship Survey data, using 13,988 replies from adults and 1,278 from young people aged 11 to 15.

The Study: The Intergenerational Transmission of Islam in England and Wales: Evidence from the Citizenship Survey

 

[Drett]

Islam does command the fighting of the unbelievers, yea, so islam itself is extreme. The fact that the muslims you meet aren't following those commandments, are their businesses. Just like a people who claim to be Christian who doesn't follow commandment of Christ for example killer, you can't say Christianity command you to do that or allow you to do it.
So it must be differed, Muslim is not Islam. Allah and Muhammad's commandment and saying, are Islam. So compare the teachings, is the best way to know the truth. People can claim anything whatsoever.
May the Grace of God be poured on us.

I always find it interesting that a Christian will get frustrated with anyone that takes the bible out of context then turn around and not have any problem doing the same for another scripture. Oh well. He we go again I guess. Time to put it into context.

All those verses that appear in Athiests and Christian sites about believers fighting unbelievers are meticulously cherry picked. A verse will speak of fighting the unbeliever but in the next verse it will prescribe limits and mercy. Of course these verses concerning limits and mercy always seem to be missed.

The Muslims were fighting for their lives. Even with this they were given limits that they had to engage the enemy under. I wonder if the US soldiers were outnumbered 3 to 1 by a force better equiped,whether they would still be following the Geneva convention. We can see from recent history, they throw the Geneva convention out the window even when they are a superior force... but I digress

So why the mention of fighting in the Quran ?

Quraish sent three armies to wipe out the Muslims. Muhammad pbuh found that he had to fight not just for his survival but the survival of the whole city and the religion. This is key. Unlike the early Christians, the Muslims were not just individuals, they were responsible for a city. They could not just run off and hide or let themselves be killed, they had responsibilties, if they lost the whole city would be lost.

Anyhow the three armies sent.

The battle of Badr. Where 950 full armour soldier fought against 320 lightly armed muslims.

The battle of Uhud where the Quraish bitter about the loss at Badr sent an army of 3000 to Madinah fight against the 700 strong muslim force.

The battle of the trench was the final battle where the Quraish recruited people from all over Saudi Arabia. They had a force of 20,000 to the muslims 3,000.

I will end with this quote from Islam at the Crossroads

"History makes it clear, however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of the sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myths that historians have ever accepted." (Islam at the Crossroads, London, 1923, p. 8.).

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Muslims who commit acts of violence and terror in the name of God, can find ample justification for their actions, based on the teachings of the Qur'an and the sayings and examples from prophet Muhammad himself. Furthermore, the only sure guarantee of salvation in Islam is dying in Jihad. But other factors are at work:

1. Fundamental Islamic education has an effect on the attitudes of many Muslims toward Christians and nations they perceive as "Christian." They are told that Christians hate them and want to wipe Islam off the face of the earth and that they can never be friends unless they convert to Christianity (Surah 5:51-Ali Translation).

Additionally they are told great stories about heroes of the Islamic faith, like Khalid ibn Walid the "Sword of Allah" and taught an idealized version of early Islam when Muslims read the Quran literally and applied it to their lives. This, despite its bloody history. They learn songs like "I Shall Avenge My God and Belief" which tell of "delivering death and hell to the unbelievers." It's important to note that the modern Great Awakening of Islamic fundamentalism we see today is based primarily on the modern society defined as Jahiliyyah and the "need" for a vanguard to re-Islamize society.

2. Islamic law. One point that separates the radical Muslim from all others is Islamic law. Islamic law is a powerful concept because it is viewed as a direct command from the Quran. Radical scholars attach it inseparably to the worship of Allah. Islamic law is the line that divides the religious terrorist from the secular terrorist. It's rigid logic binds the radical Muslim to Islamic law with resolve.

3. The radical sees themselves as surrounded by infidels who are hostile to them and their message of faith. All key radical writers put great energy into arguing that nearly all societies are infidel both those who call themselves Muslim and the others. It goes without saying that Jews and Christians are infidels despite liberal attempts to show they are not because a small level of tolerance was afforded them as "people of the book"; a people to be certain whose numbers have dwindled after centuries of persecution and discrimination of a level few Westerners understand. The radical believes that Islam is not merely belief that should be preached but a way of life that must take shape as a system of authority on earth just as it did during the life of Muhammad. Islam is a theocracy: a religion and a state without borders.

4. Punishment or reward. The Quran condemned Muslims who avoided the duty of jihad (Surah 9:38-39, Shakir Translation) and in this religion that offers little guarantees in the way of eternal security, the Quran teaches that being killed in jihad guarantees one entrance to paradise (Surah 4:74). Moderates argue this is not primarily a physical fight but radicals always push back against those teachings.

There is no "new testament" in Islam. It's rooted in ancient violence.

Good article: Islam and Violence

 

[leonardronaldo]

Drett i supposed you are a muslim?
Do you know about the nasikh al mansoukh in the quran?
I am not cherry picking, that's just exactly what the fundamentals of islam are. Historicallly from the hadith and sira as well.
First of all, sura 9 didn't say fight those who fight you. It says fight those who didn't believe in Allah. so stop twisting the history and the text of your book.
You are either practicing taqiyaa, I hope you aren't, or really don't know about it. And please give me the verse where Jesus command people to fight? Or Old Testament scriptures' commandment which were not commanded personally to the Jews, but universal?
Age of Knowledge, actually the 'new covenant' in the quran are there, if you learn the nasikh al-mansoukh exegetical of the quran. The newer covenant is unfortunately the 'more violent' verses in the quran and they abrogated the earlier 'kind of more peaceful' verses. This is a basic doctrine since the time of the companion of muhammad (which must have learned it from muhammad)

 

[pancakeface]

Christians are being murdered and beheaded by Muslim Jihadists in the Middle East enmasse.

The Obama administration supports the most radical Muslim elements (e.g. the Saudi funded elements) in the Middle East who are murdering Christians and spends your tax money to give them the arms to do it in some cases.

The mainstream liberal media that wholly supports the Obama Administration has refused to cover the slaughter.

'Middle East genocide' of Christians and Jews | Fox News Video

Muslims killing Christians, Christians killing muslims. Some things will never change, because it's impossible to educate every human being. This will always be the case. Muslims face discrimination in the west and Christians alike in the East. I don't discriminate, so that's a start towards change. That's how I look at it.

 

[leonardronaldo]

What is your definition of Christians when you say Christian killing?
You said Muslims face discrimination in the west and Christians alike in the East? yea right, of course you have never been to any Muslim country.

 

[pancakeface]

My brothers, show no partiality as you hold the faith in our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory. For if a man wearing a gold ring and fine clothing comes into your assembly, and a poor man in shabby clothing also comes in, and if you pay attention to the one who wears the fine clothing and say, “You sit here in a good place,” while you say to the poor man, “You stand over there,” or, “Sit down at my feet,” have you not then made distinctions among yourselves and become judges with evil thoughts? Listen, my beloved brothers, has not God chosen those who are poor in the world to be rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom, which he has promised to those who love him? ...

What is your definition of muslim when you say 'muslim killing'?

I think the western world views the muslim like the man in torn clothes in the verse above. He is 'less than us'. But I won't judge every professed muslim with the same case file because I can understand that the true muslim will see these atrocities and say 'those people are not muslim', just in the same way you, someone who wants to look for the right path to walk, have inferred that those who commit 'christian killings' in the name of God, are not Christian.

Just like 'Christian' and 'Muslim' soldiers alike, wage a bloody war against one another in the name of America, or Allah, or Afghanistan or God, where there are more civilian, non military personnel casualties than there are any other kind.

When you ignite a fire against he muslim world, how do you expect there to be no flames? The same goes for walking into the Lions den with the attitude that it's wrong to be a lion.

 

[leonardronaldo]

The quran commands that and the commandment of fighting was the last 2 chapter of the quran revealed to muhammad. So?
I am not a western that's why your comment doesn't go to my case, so please find another comment to make. I am Indonesian.
That's what I do all the time, comparing Christianity and Islam, not professed Christians or professed Muslims.
people can claim all their wants.

 

[pancakeface]

The quran commands that and the commandment of fighting was the last 2 chapter of the quran revealed to muhammad. So?
I am not a western that's why your comment doesn't go to my case, so please find another comment to make. I am Indonesian.
That's what I do all the time, comparing Christianity and Islam, not professed Christians or professed Muslims.
people can claim all their wants.

You're against Islam because you're Christian. Yet while I know plenty of meek Muslims who are disgusted at Islamist Extremism, I also came across white supremacists that thought they were Christian, and Christians who think the laws of stoning in the old testament should be brought into effect in the modern world, who were certain they had scriptural references supporting their view.

There are thousands of iterations of the bible and of the koran, and the beliefs of its readers vary to the point that neither book can either be held inherently correct or incorrect considering the diversity of translations and logic. So it is, in a manner of speaking, even a subjective term to call oneself either 'Christian' or 'Muslim'.

But that's ok, because you're 'Indonesian', and that's a certainty.

 

[leonardronaldo]

You're against Islam because you're Christian. Yet while I know plenty of meek Muslims who are disgusted at Islamist Extremism, I also came across white supremacists that thought they were Christian, and Christians who think the laws of stoning in the old testament should be brought into effect in the modern world, who were certain they had scriptural references supporting their view.

There are thousands of iterations of the bible and of the koran, and the beliefs of its readers vary to the point that neither book can either be held inherently correct or incorrect considering the diversity of translations and logic. So it is, in a manner of speaking, even a subjective term to call oneself either 'Christian' or 'Muslim'.

But that's ok, because you're 'Indonesian', and that's a certainty.

Again that's not what I reject. I am against Islam, but I have Muslim friends. so what? Islam itself is extreme, i don't hate muslims, i hate Islam.
Yes I am Indonesian and you don't know that quran says do not seek peace less ye be the uppermost. Which Christians are thinking even about that bringing stoning, if you have any link? Jesus would challenge him to stone the sinners first if he has no sin, how ignorant.
As I said, again, that's why I don't compare the people. I compare the teachings, Christianity against Islam. you can claim to be atheist. Mao did claim the same, so did Karl Marx and Stalin etc etc. who cares what people claim.