Bernie on Abortion: ‘Anytime, Anywhere.’ Why He’s Evil....
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i'm sorry; i did think that you supported him.
it's hard to tell apart people who generalize everyone who disagrees with them as "leftist liberal baby killers"
-- i admit that i assume that they are all Trump supporters. i guess i do a bit of generalizing myself
i guess i've been right so far to assume that everyone who makes such comments is a republican, at least
it's hard to tell apart people who generalize everyone who disagrees with them as "leftist liberal baby killers"
-- i admit that i assume that they are all Trump supporters. i guess i do a bit of generalizing myself
i guess i've been right so far to assume that everyone who makes such comments is a republican, at least
sure he has. just not recently, because where he stands wouldn't be especially profitable to boast about when you're trying to get republicans to vote for you. he changed his tune a bit back when he was thinking about running several years ago too.
here's a link with some references to where the quotes come from
http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Donald_Trump_Abortion.htm
here's a link with some references to where the quotes come from
http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Donald_Trump_Abortion.htm
Oh I agree he isn't reliably pro-life. People who think so are living in fantasy land.
Call me naive, but sometimes people do have a real change of heart slightly before they run for office (and it is a real change of heart). While I strongly doubt he has, I'm open to the possibility of it...while I support Cruz and work for people who would constrain him if elected.
Call me naive, but sometimes people do have a real change of heart slightly before they run for office (and it is a real change of heart). While I strongly doubt he has, I'm open to the possibility of it...while I support Cruz and work for people who would constrain him if elected.
we all seem to forget, myself too, whether we're talking about Trump or Sanders or anyone else, but moreso these two extremes, that they would only be in control of one branch of a government that is designed to be balanced by two other branches - and that most if not all of their more extreme proposals would have to go through congress and be subject to court rulings on constitutionality.
just because Sanders proposes a single-payer healthcare system or a tax reform, or Trump proposes ID badges for muslims or building a wall at Mexico's expense, doesn't mean any of that will happen.
it's more about what perspective we want the voice in the white house to have.
What I fear, posthuman, is that our checks and balances are weakening with each successive administration. While I am a loyal Republican in many ways, I will readily admit that the Republican legislature knowingly ceded power to George W. Bush to implement certain programs- instead of having a formalized debate and struggle with the execute, the legislature of late has decided to lay down and ignore constitutional constraints. The Democrats perpetuated this trend under Obama. Due to the House losses in the late Clinton administration, the Republicans are a bit more skittish in their opposition role and I expect, if the Democrats hold the house anytime soon, they may act similarly.
Is the legislature still powerful? Absolutely. Are Presidents still frustrated by them? Sure.
But given the current trend, I pray to God that the GOP House and (hopefully) Senate will take their roles a bit more seriously. And, like I said, I work for legislative types who do precisely that...on my good days anyhow.
Is the legislature still powerful? Absolutely. Are Presidents still frustrated by them? Sure.
But given the current trend, I pray to God that the GOP House and (hopefully) Senate will take their roles a bit more seriously. And, like I said, I work for legislative types who do precisely that...on my good days anyhow.
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If you have insulated yourself to the point of where the two curse words in the article will throw you off balance, its best you not read it. I do not advocate cursing. It is not godly and it ruins a persons witness!!
However,I do agree with the factual information provided within the colorful wording.
You may now return to your regularly scheduled post
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You talk a lot like Tresnouveau_ne and attack people just as she did before she was banned. Not to mentioned, she was banned 2 weeks ago and you created your account 2 weeks ago.
Coincidence?
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i'm sorry; i did think that you supported him.
it's hard to tell apart people who generalize everyone who disagrees with them as "leftist liberal baby killers"
-- i admit that i assume that they are all Trump supporters. i guess i do a bit of generalizing myself
i guess i've been right so far to assume that everyone who makes such comments is a republican, at least
it's hard to tell apart people who generalize everyone who disagrees with them as "leftist liberal baby killers"
-- i admit that i assume that they are all Trump supporters. i guess i do a bit of generalizing myself
i guess i've been right so far to assume that everyone who makes such comments is a republican, at least
he's only done the same thing that qualifies others as "leftist baby killers" -- gone on record saying he agrees with some form of legal abortion, and supported politicians who also support that.
so if the working logic is that all one needs to do is be pro choice in any fashion, or support any political candidate who is not outspokenly anti-abortion, in order to be branded a "leftist baby killer" and be guilty of "wanting abortion anytime, anywhere" and having no regard for life, etc etc -- then Trump and anyone who supports him is a "leftist baby killer"
make sense?
well it don't make sense to me either.
so if the working logic is that all one needs to do is be pro choice in any fashion, or support any political candidate who is not outspokenly anti-abortion, in order to be branded a "leftist baby killer" and be guilty of "wanting abortion anytime, anywhere" and having no regard for life, etc etc -- then Trump and anyone who supports him is a "leftist baby killer"
make sense?
well it don't make sense to me either.
ok but this sure sounds like "branding" someone:
my point is that, whether mislead or not, a lot of people are pro-choice and still very much believe in the sanctity of life, even life at conception, and would never have an abortion themselves or encourage one, but still believe in a permissive law for some reason.
so i take issue with the negative rhetoric and broad generalization about it -- it's a life to me too, but those people that some of us call "murderers" also have heartbeats, and the great lot of them are not the cold blooded killers they're described as, nor do they have hearts full of hate, nor are they callous. i believe we shouldn't be cursing all of them.
so it seems ridiculous to call conservative Christians who are very much not pro-choice, "baby-murderers" right?
well it seems to me that the same flimsiest of evidences - simply not holding the political stance of banning all abortions, or even flimsier, supporting a candidate who has a pro-life stance - that for some people seems sufficient to call them these things and accuse them of selfishly wanting "abortion on demand" - this very same thing applies to Trump and anyone who supports him. and since a lot of self-described 'conservative Christians' support Trump, we may as well be calling all of them "leftist baby murderers" if that's all it takes to qualify someone to receive such a condemnation.
Trump is pro-choice. if being pro-choice makes Sanders and anyone who supports him a soulless baby-killer, then the same goes for Trump and anyone who supports him. i want us to not make such prejudiced, broad comments about people - but if i can't convince anyone of that, i'd like for us to at least not be hypocritical about it, and start calling all our Christian brothers and sisters who back Trump the same thing. that's all.
my point is that, whether mislead or not, a lot of people are pro-choice and still very much believe in the sanctity of life, even life at conception, and would never have an abortion themselves or encourage one, but still believe in a permissive law for some reason.
so i take issue with the negative rhetoric and broad generalization about it -- it's a life to me too, but those people that some of us call "murderers" also have heartbeats, and the great lot of them are not the cold blooded killers they're described as, nor do they have hearts full of hate, nor are they callous. i believe we shouldn't be cursing all of them.
so it seems ridiculous to call conservative Christians who are very much not pro-choice, "baby-murderers" right?
well it seems to me that the same flimsiest of evidences - simply not holding the political stance of banning all abortions, or even flimsier, supporting a candidate who has a pro-life stance - that for some people seems sufficient to call them these things and accuse them of selfishly wanting "abortion on demand" - this very same thing applies to Trump and anyone who supports him. and since a lot of self-described 'conservative Christians' support Trump, we may as well be calling all of them "leftist baby murderers" if that's all it takes to qualify someone to receive such a condemnation.
Trump is pro-choice. if being pro-choice makes Sanders and anyone who supports him a soulless baby-killer, then the same goes for Trump and anyone who supports him. i want us to not make such prejudiced, broad comments about people - but if i can't convince anyone of that, i'd like for us to at least not be hypocritical about it, and start calling all our Christian brothers and sisters who back Trump the same thing. that's all.
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I'm not your buddy. Don't get condescending with me; you're sorely over-matched. You don't read much do you? I'm supporting anyone and everyone who runs against the left. And I'm very vocal about my pro-life stance which outweighs voting for someone who is pro-choice when they themselves are running against another pro-choicer who delightfully salivates with glee at the concept of murdering innocent, vulnerable children.
it might seem sometimes like i ignore questions in this section of the forum, but what really happens, is i get sick of talking about politics, and the division and hypocrisy that pops up in it, and how it drags Christians into being subsumed by worldly cares, and i just don't go back and look at the threads again for a while, or go back to the beginning of them and follow all the conversation.
so i miss things.
also, sometimes they don't seem worth replying to, because they are just baiting arguments. and they wind up bringing out the worst in me, too.
think i'll just go and tease some Arminians for a while now
stands a better chance of glorifying God, IMHO.
so i miss things.
also, sometimes they don't seem worth replying to, because they are just baiting arguments. and they wind up bringing out the worst in me, too.
think i'll just go and tease some Arminians for a while now
stands a better chance of glorifying God, IMHO.
Of course it's a worldly care. Most people who have abortions, and those who perform them, don't care about that unborn babies' soul or spirit. They care only about not having the baby, and not having the responsibility of being a parent. They don't want to be viewed as tainted goods, or looked down upon, so their simple solution is to get rid of the baby. Very few see abortion as spiritual, they see it only as a solution to a problem.