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Of course it's a worldly care. Most people who have abortions, and those who perform them, don't care about that unborn babies' soul or spirit. They care only about not having the baby, and not having the responsibility of being a parent. They don't want to be viewed as tainted goods, or looked down upon, so their simple solution is to get rid of the baby. Very few see abortion as spiritual, they see it only as a solution to a problem. :(
Making it a spiritual concern, i.e, spiritual warfare. And we are called to fight the Good Fight. :)
 
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Abortion is a worldly care, not spiritual? For real?
How dark a conscience must someone have to believe that murder is not a spiritual issue?
 
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How dark a conscience must someone have to believe that murder is not a spiritual issue?
Funny how some so called Christians have such a ravenous appetite for abortion and then have the audacity to say other folks are wolves in sheep's clothing. Jesus tells us we shall know them by their fruit. Advocating killing unborn children is one heck of a fruit. I thank God He's instilled in us a Spirit that embraces the sanctity of innocent life. To God be the glory!
 

blue_ladybug

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How dark a conscience must someone have to believe that murder is not a spiritual issue?
Like I said in my reply to Utah, the ones who have, and perform, abortions are the ones with dark consciences. They have one goal on their mind: get rid of the baby so their lives can go back to normal. And the doctors who perform them care only about the $$$$ they make from doing multiple abortions each day. If those pregnant women, and those doctors, actually cared about the babies' souls and spirits, THEN they might consider it a spiritual matter and would refuse to have/perform those abortions. JMO
 
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Like I said in my reply to Utah, the ones who have, and perform, abortions are the ones with dark consciences. They have one goal on their mind: get rid of the baby so their lives can go back to normal. And the doctors who perform them care only about the $$$$ they make from doing multiple abortions each day. If those pregnant women, and those doctors, actually cared about the babies' souls and spirits, THEN they might consider it a spiritual matter and would refuse to have/perform those abortions. JMO
I tend to believe that for God, abortion is a spiritual issue.
 

blue_ladybug

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I tend to believe that for God, abortion is a spiritual issue.
​I agree, for Him, definitely it is. :) But that's not always true for the ones going through it. :(
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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I cant accept you as a christian simply because you say you are. Your actions tell me you are familiar with religion but not Christ.
so you accused me of being hypocritical and then did the very same thing you claimed was my 'plank'...

you are even hypocritical about hypocrisy...

and you wonder why i don't take reproaches from your ilk seriously...
 
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so you accused me of being hypocritical and then did the very same thing you claimed was my 'plank'...

you are even hypocritical about hypocrisy...

and you wonder why i don't take reproaches from your ilk seriously...
Yes, the OP has an appetite for making divisive threads and attacking others I noticed the trend....I smell a spoonfuloftroll.....
 

JosephsDreams

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Someone said in another thread that abortion is akin to ancient baby sacrifice to Idols. It was one of the best posts I read since I have been here. The idol in this case can be money, career, maybe a relationship, and more. We just got more sophisticated about it, but it is the same spirit.
On another, but somewhat related topic; we have pushed prayer out of our the schools, and sexual immorality has become acceptable, even perceived as cool, something progressive open minded people do.
Our God, the one and only true God, has been regulated to equal status with other gods in public discussions among the "educated" and "enlightened".
So tell me, how is this any different from what the Israel's did that resulted in their captivity, and ultimately divorce?
When Jesus said as in the days of Noah, he wasn't kidding. We are hurtling toward that time.
I fear that in however many years from now, I don't know, 30, 50(?), this time is going to be seen as relatively ethical by the future generation of our Christians brothers and sisters, hard as that is for us to believe.
Woe to America. And woe to any of us Christians who are calling evil good. That is any Christian that is routinely endorsing abortion is acceptable. I understand why Jesus said some of the elect may be deceived.
And God forgive us, and that means most of us, who are not walking the walk, compromising our testimony, so the world can say that we are no different, have nothing to offer.
 

posthuman

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delightfully salivates with glee at the concept of murdering innocent, vulnerable children.
tell me about more how you think this is an accurate statement and not willfully slanderous mischaracterization unfitting to be spoken by a follower of Christ?

the fact is, as you say, you'd just as "gleefully" vote for one just because ((this time)) he's not running as a democrat. which makes your primary concern worldly politics, not abortion, no matter how "vocal" you might be: i think we all know that running a persons mouth doesn't "prove" anything; this is the whole point i'm trying to make here: running your mouth cursing people because of their view on abortion law, or their support for a candidate who has a particular view about abortion law, amounts to diddly-squat. elsewise, you're just as much of a liberal baby-murderer yourself, since you are more than willing to gleefully vote for one. isn't that so?

if that is meaningless when it comes to you, it's meaningless when it comes to everyone else, so all this cursing your doing about this is either vapid nonsense, hypocritical, or just flat out malicious slander.
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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Yes your opinion ..when you decide when and what words you will believe ... Reagan was pro-abortion before he was against abortion ...and again I did not vote for Trump
"The laws are set. And I think we have to leave it that way."

that is trump's current view on abortion...which he expressed in an interview less than two weeks ago...so this is not simply me 'bringing up his past' as you trumpists so often dismiss conservatives for when we actually dare to look at his record...

thinking we need to leave abortion laws the way they are today is -pro abortion-...
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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Trump has given no clear indication on where he stands. Hillary is a liberal loyalist.
see my previous post...it doesn't get much more clear...

but if you want to see some wishy washiness from trump...later in that interview he basically had to be goaded into even saying he 'doesn't disagree' that abortion is murder...
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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Oh I agree he isn't reliably pro-life. People who think so are living in fantasy land.

Call me naive, but sometimes people do have a real change of heart slightly before they run for office (and it is a real change of heart). While I strongly doubt he has, I'm open to the possibility of it...while I support Cruz and work for people who would constrain him if elected.
trump has had a 'change of heart' slightly before running for office...and then -again- while running for office as his current opinion is that abortion laws must be left as they are...

in fact a couple of weeks ago he had about three 'changes of heart' in three days...

this isn't someone who 'tells it like it is' or who even has any firm principles...this is someone committed to promoting himself by telling people what they want to hear...which has worked for him so far...but his tone deafness on the pro life issue has gotten him confused about what people want to hear...
 

posthuman

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Abortion is a worldly care, not spiritual? For real?
let me try to make your hypocrisy a bit more clear for you:

you say that abortion is a supreme spiritual cause for you, and the reason that you hate democrats.
but you are not just voting for, but outspokenly supporting a democrat-in-republican-clothing who is pro-abortion anyway.
equating supporting a pro-abortion candidate with evil doesn't apply to you, because your'e special. you say you are God's appointed authority in this country, not the elected leaders. but you don't consider the rest of the electorate to hold that same position of authority, if they disagree with you. what you should be doing, if you really believe as you say, that the citizens of this country are power appointed by God, is respecting them, instead of slanderously cursing them. but you don't. so again, you talk about authority in this country as if it's a spiritual concern for you, but you hypocritically disrespect whoever doesn't share your political opinion, so you actually act in a worldly way, not a spiritual way, when it comes to politics.

if you vote for Trump, then you are become everything you hate. and you're doing it for worldly reasons: because he's not running on the DNC ticket. that's all. it's definitely not his view on abortion, which you champion as your spiritual cause, but so easily neglect. and not because you respect the popular will of the country as the authority set in place by God, because less than 10% of the eligible electorate in every state has voted for him, and he loses overwhelmingly to the DNC candidates in every head-to-head poll since last year, and those numbers keep dropping. so your so-called 'spiritual' view of ruling authority in this nation is also worldly, because you don't follow it in practice; instead you act as if your opinion alone is the authority to be respected.

is that more clear?
 
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shrimp

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Abortion is very much a spiritual problem that is why there are many counseling services started by regular people for women who are undecided but leaning towards abortion, women who are going to have abortion, women who have gotten abortion, survivors of abortion, and people who have performed abortions but want out or have gotten out.
Counseling may or may not be a treatment for spiritual struggle but it is an indicator of a spiritual struggle.

While I firmly believe that all abortion should be illegal, I also believe that we should not abandon these women, the children, nor the people performing the abortions.

Also, since Utah made known to me that he doesn't want me to talk to him, I have decided to respect that. And yes that was an indirect message, so starting now I'm not talking to him.
 
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Yes, the OP has an appetite for making divisive threads and attacking others I noticed the trend....I smell a spoonfuloftroll.....
You call them divisive because you dont know how to discuss without getting offended. My posts are worthy of discussion. I am not a troll !! I am going to start reporting people who so rudely call me that. I have the right to be here just as much as you do although I will say that after being here a few weeks, I can see that this site is a far cry from a christian site that is peaceful. If you dont like my OP, STAY AWAY FROM THEM!! Its really quite simple!
 

shrimp

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Someone said in another thread that abortion is akin to ancient baby sacrifice to Idols. It was one of the best posts I read since I have been here. The idol in this case can be money, career, maybe a relationship, and more. We just got more sophisticated about it, but it is the same spirit.
On another, but somewhat related topic; we have pushed prayer out of our the schools, and sexual immorality has become acceptable, even perceived as cool, something progressive open minded people do.
Our God, the one and only true God, has been regulated to equal status with other gods in public discussions among the "educated" and "enlightened".
So tell me, how is this any different from what the Israel's did that resulted in their captivity, and ultimately divorce?
When Jesus said as in the days of Noah, he wasn't kidding. We are hurtling toward that time.
I fear that in however many years from now, I don't know, 30, 50(?), this time is going to be seen as relatively ethical by the future generation of our Christians brothers and sisters, hard as that is for us to believe.
Woe to America. And woe to any of us Christians who are calling evil good. That is any Christian that is routinely endorsing abortion is acceptable. I understand why Jesus said some of the elect may be deceived.
And God forgive us, and that means most of us, who are not walking the walk, compromising our testimony, so the world can say that we are no different, have nothing to offer.
I wish there was a like button for your post.
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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I'm not your buddy. Don't get condescending with me; you're sorely over-matched. You don't read much do you? I'm supporting anyone and everyone who runs against the left. And I'm very vocal about my pro-life stance which outweighs voting for someone who is pro-choice when they themselves are running against another pro-choicer who delightfully salivates with glee at the concept of murdering innocent, vulnerable children.
'very vocal' about being pro life? oh you're vocal all right...especially in all of your posts about how great it would be to take various people's lives...

and talk is cheap...all the hot air in the world about your 'pro life stance' does -not- 'outweigh' the vote you intend to cast for a pro abortion candidate...