Brexit - Do we stay or do we go

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MadParrotWoman

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There does seem to be an undercurrent of anti antisemitism running through the labour party at present, Corbyn isn't the only one. The blessing in all of this is that the labour party seems to have pushed the self-destruct button. Right now there seems to be no alternative to the Tories (conservatives) this is not a good thing - there should always be choice. I have always voted UKIP but now we have our independence I don't know what will happen to them.
 
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Miri

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That was the problem at the last general election, who to vote for. None of
the parties were looking good.

Ive never liked Corbyn he is suppose to be a Christian (apparently) but honestly if
he is the best the Labour Party have then there is big trouble at the next election.
He comes across as very weak and insipid. The only thing he seems passionate
about is banning Britains nuclear deterrent. One gets the impression he is just a
care taker leader while a proper leader rises up through the ranks. I don't think
anyone, including himself expect he will win an election. All this stuff about the
Jews, his Brexit attitude etc is just a red herring. Take all that away and he still
wouldn't get the votes.

No one wanted the liberal democrats back in, they were never suppose to get in
anyway, but because there was a hung parliament they ended up sharing with
the conservatives a couple of elections ago. The only thing the liberals wanted was
to drive through proportionate voting to up their chances of winning outright
later.

UKIP were a bit over the top but they seem to give calmed down a bit. It didnt
help that the old style British National Front liked UKIP with the image of
racist skinheads covered in tattoos as being UKIPs main advocates.

Cameron was the best of a bad bunch, I didn't even vote last time can't vote
for lame donkeys to win the grand national.
 

Desdichado

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There does seem to be an undercurrent of anti antisemitism running through the labour party at present, Corbyn isn't the only one. The blessing in all of this is that the labour party seems to have pushed the self-destruct button. Right now there seems to be no alternative to the Tories (conservatives) this is not a good thing - there should always be choice. I have always voted UKIP but now we have our independence I don't know what will happen to them.
That's a concern of mine as well. Having an opposition to fight keeps people principled. Counter-intuitive as it may sound.
 
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MadParrotWoman

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That was the problem at the last general election, who to vote for. None of
the parties were looking good.

Ive never liked Corbyn he is suppose to be a Christian (apparently) but honestly if
he is the best the Labour Party have then there is big trouble at the next election.
He comes across as very weak and insipid. The only thing he seems passionate
about is banning Britains nuclear deterrent. One gets the impression he is just a
care taker leader while a proper leader rises up through the ranks. I don't think
anyone, including himself expect he will win an election. All this stuff about the
Jews, his Brexit attitude etc is just a red herring. Take all that away and he still
wouldn't get the votes.

No one wanted the liberal democrats back in, they were never suppose to get in
anyway, but because there was a hung parliament they ended up sharing with
the conservatives a couple of elections ago. The only thing the liberals wanted was
to drive through proportionate voting to up their chances of winning outright
later.

UKIP were a bit over the top but they seem to give calmed down a bit. It didnt
help that the old style British National Front liked UKIP with the image of
racist skinheads covered in tattoos as being UKIPs main advocates.

Cameron was the best of a bad bunch, I didn't even vote last time can't vote
for lame donkeys to win the grand national.
I agree with pretty much all of what you say here Miri. I didn't know Corbin was a Christian. They all seem to play the christian card yet I see no evidence of it. Corbin in my opinion is unelectable, like you say - insipid and looks too old, I'm not sure how old he is but he looks old. Lib dems...I wouldn't even go there, it irked me that he was Cameron's deputy when the coalition governed yet his party didn't even come 2nd and there he was lording it around!
 

Desdichado

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I agree with pretty much all of what you say here Miri. I didn't know Corbin was a Christian. They all seem to play the christian card yet I see no evidence of it. Corbin in my opinion is unelectable, like you say - insipid and looks too old, I'm not sure how old he is but he looks old. Lib dems...I wouldn't even go there, it irked me that he was Cameron's deputy when the coalition governed yet his party didn't even come 2nd and there he was lording it around!
If I were a Labour man, I'd be begging Tony Blair to come back.
 
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MadParrotWoman

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If I were a Labour man, I'd be begging Tony Blair to come back.
No way Jose, he was one of the ones running to Brussels signing away our rights. I also think he is guilty of lying over Iraq - there is more! Another one who cannot be trusted.
 

Desdichado

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No way Jose, he was one of the ones running to Brussels signing away our rights. I also think he is guilty of lying over Iraq - there is more! Another one who cannot be trusted.
Just saying, if I were a member of the British Left, I'd be looking back on the Blair days rather fondly given their party's current state of affairs.

Cool Britannia is an easier sell to the public than "WORKERS OF THE WORLD UNITE! DEATH TO THE JEWS!"
 
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Mitspa

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There does seem to be an undercurrent of anti antisemitism running through the labour party at present, Corbyn isn't the only one. The blessing in all of this is that the labour party seems to have pushed the self-destruct button. Right now there seems to be no alternative to the Tories (conservatives) this is not a good thing - there should always be choice. I have always voted UKIP but now we have our independence I don't know what will happen to them.
From what I hear lots are planning to undermine the peoples vote on brexit ...I would think a pro-brexit party should be in power to make the independence a real independence from EU oppression.
 
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MadParrotWoman

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From what I hear lots are planning to undermine the peoples vote on brexit ...I would think a pro-brexit party should be in power to make the independence a real independence from EU oppression.
I would think there would be riots if the new leader went back on the wishes of the British people!
 

Desdichado

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Since Independence Day is dawning, I'm switching my avatar to John Paul Jones. While not British, Brexiters can still view him as a source of inspiration for securing national independence.

Don't Give Up The Ship ;)
 
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Mitspa

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Did anyone hear some of the laws these unelected thugs tried to get passed until they was so embarrassed by their own stupidity they changed their own regulations? I know one regulation was that bananas could not be sold that was curved ..and that's tea pots was a global warming issue ...the tea pots british folks have used since fire was invented..these EU clowns tried to outlaw.
 

Desdichado

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Did anyone hear some of the laws these unelected thugs tried to get passed until they was so embarrassed by their own stupidity they changed their own regulations? I know one regulation was that bananas could not be sold that was curved ..and that's tea pots was a global warming issue ...the tea pots british folks have used since fire was invented..these EU clowns tried to outlaw.
Now I want a Gonzales flag with a tea kettle on it.
 

Agricola

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I would think there would be riots if the new leader went back on the wishes of the British people!
There will be. It will be seen as an oppertunitey for all anti-establishment groups to deal out some violence against the establishment. I can not see how there would be a change to the exit after everything that has been said and done.
 

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Britain has voted to leave the EU. But does it have the health to survive the challenges ahead?
Who is ready and willing to lead Britain to “bright, sunlit uplands”?

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Jeremy Warner, assistant editor of the Telegraph: “There is no word for our current state of affairs
other than chaos—constitutional chaos, chaos in the Tory Party, chaos in the Labour Party, chaos in
Europe and, though we have certainly seen worse, something close to chaos in financial markets.”

In less than a week, Britain has lost its prime minister; the Labour Party has lost its way; the pound
has lost significant value; and the public has lost faith, confidence and, for many, hope. “Frankly if
the four horsemen of the apocalypse went trotting past, I wouldn’t bat an eyelid or have time to write
about it,” tweeted the Spectator’s assistant editor Isabel Hardman.

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the Leave Campaign.

The campaign’s mantra “Lets leave the European Union and make Britain great again.”
which is now responsible for navigating the UK through the dangerous shoals of Brexit.

Before June 23, the Leave camp was united behind the task of persuading as many British
as possible to vote leave. Since the referendum, however, the Leave campaign has fractured
dramatically and is now dividing between hard-core Leavers, led by Nigel Farage, and moderate
Leavers, led by Boris Johnson and Michael Gove.

The only thing the two camps currently agree on is that Britain must leave the EU. When it comes
to what separation looks like—the degree of separation that must now occur and how the separation
needs to be negotiated—the two camps are miles apart. It is remarkable how quickly the Leave
campaign turned a [stunning victory into a civil war].
Brexit's two tribes will go to war

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the Labour Party.

The Labour Party is the second-largest political party in Britain; it represents 20 to 30
percent of the British public and is the primary ballast to the Conservative Party.
Since Friday, 20 members of Labour’s Shadow Cabinet have resigned (only 31 members total).
A further 29 non-cabinet Labour M.P.s have resigned. And on Tuesday, 172 Labour M.P.s
—more than 75 percent of the Labour M.P.S in Parliament—voted in favor of Labour Party
leader Jeremy Corbyn resigning.

Over the next few months, Britain will negotiate its way out of the EU, as well as maintain its
participation in ongoing (and fresh) discussions and developments on geopolitical and domestic
issues. Negotiations with the EU will be rancorous and tough, with Brussels seeking concessions
and, quite possibly, a measure of vengeance. UK leaders will have to be united, alert and focused.

Yet, as it stands today, Britain’s second-largest political party, and supposedly a key voice in
British leadership, is beset by chaos and dysfunction and will be irrelevant.

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the Conservative Party.

In May 2015, Prime Minister David Cameron was reappointed when the Conservative Party
shellacked its competitors in one of the most surprising general election victories ever.

Thirteen months later, Mr. Cameron is hunting for a job, and the Conservative Party—and the
country—is hunting for a new leader. The referendum took its toll on the Conservative Party,
which for months experienced acrimonious bickering between Leavers and Remainers.

There will now be a lot of negotiation and some closet deals, and Tory lawmakers will likely settle
on a new leader who will attempt to chart a course for Britain’s departure from the EU. But how
strong will the unity be and how long will it last? Half of the Conservative Party does not want
to leave the EU; the other half does. The Prophet Amos put it best: “Can two walk together except
they be agreed?” The Conservative Party will now fight over who should lead the party (and Britain).
There will also be conflicts over the hundreds, probably thousands, of details involved with departing the EU.

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Scotland.

The Scots voted overwhelmingly (62 percent) in favor of Britain staying in the EU. The decision to
Brexit infuriated many pro-EU and stirred many, including Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon,
to search for ways to call another referendum on Scotland’s independence from Britain. On Tuesday,
Alyn Smith, the Scottish National Party (SNP) representative in the European Parliament, delivered
an impassioned plea in which he implored the [EU to come to Scotland’s defense]. The following day,
Sturgeon visited Brussels, where she met with EU officials and reiterated Scotland’s desire to remain
in the EU. Today, the majority of Scots would prefer to be joined to the EU than to England.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-4Sc52vmI8

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Ireland.

Brexit has reopened the Irish question—does Northern Ireland belong to Britain or the Republic of Ireland?
—which has festered, erupting now and again, for centuries. Fifty-six percent of Northern Ireland voters
wanted Britain to remain in the EU. Since Thursday, both Sinn Féin and the Social Democrat and Labour
Party (SDLP) have said that they will not allow English voters to drag them from the EU. Like the SNP
in Scotland, Sinn Féin and the SDLP in Northern Ireland are presently exploring options to remain in
the EU. (The same is happening in Gibraltar, where 95 percent voted to remain in the EU.)

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London.

Brexit has exposed the political and cultural chasm between London and the rest of the country.
Londoners,in general, are wealthier, better educated, and more liberal than the rest of Britain and,
in many ways, live in their own little world, detached from the rest of the nation. This is why the vote
for Brexit shocked most Londoners, the large majority of whom voted to remain in the EU. A friend
who works in London recalled the solemn atmosphere in the office last Friday, and how some colleagues,
grown men in their 40s, simply broke
down in tears.

Many Londoners are furious with the British public and view them as ignorant boobs and bigots. Meanwhile,
the outsider’s view of Londoners is that they’re toffs, that is, rich, arrogant and motivated more by self-interest
than national interest. This same spirit of animosity exists between other socio-demographic groups. Britain’s
millennials are [hopping mad with the baby boomers] for stealing their future.
Millennials' 'fury' over baby boomers’ vote for Brexit

There are reports of young people verbally abusing older people for destroying their future.
There have also been [incidents of racism], both verbal and physical, against foreigners.
Spate of racist attacks blamed on Brexit vote

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Britain’s institutions, the monarchy, the media, Oxford, Cambridge, and higher education, in general,
and the Church of England. Each of these has, so far, failed to provide clear-minded, rational leadership.

The monarchy, historically a force for hope and stability, has been virtually mute. The media is divided,
often sensationalist, and generally bereft of constructive criticism and solutions. The message from the Church
of England, which for the most part sided with the Remain camp, is vague, rambling and completely unsatisfying.


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“Britain Is Sailing Into a Storm With No One at the Wheel,” warned the Economist Sunday:
“Britain could be thrust into talks under a lame-duck leader with no clear notion of what Brexit should look
like or mandate to negotiate. All against a background of intensifying economic turmoil and increasingly ugly
divides on Britain’s streets. The country is sailing into a storm. And no one is at the wheel.”
Rudderless: Britain is sailing into a storm with no one at the wheel | The Economist

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“There are no adequate words to describe the rolling political, economic and constitutional crises that
have developed in the days since Britain voted, by a narrow majority, to leave the European Union,”
wrote Henry Porter in Vanity Fair. “The country has been swept by a kind of political Ebola .…”

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Questioning Britain’s future and whether the UK has the health to survive the coming months and years.
https://www.thetrumpet.com/article/14024.18.0.0/brexit-exposes-uks-many-infirmities
 
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Mitspa

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Yes yes..its all been told before ..when Britain refused to go to the Euro ..ALL THE EXPERTS declare complete and utter ruin for the economy ... it proved to be nothing but propaganda

The most successful nations in Europe are those that have stayed OUT of the EU and its failing communist type system. The EU is a sinking ship and the British people are smart enough to take a lifeboat even as there leaders try to get them to accept their own suicide pact and go down with the ship. The nation that ruled the world for a thousand years, will be fine and be great again.
 

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After he gets past Dan 2, Prasch gives a pretty good assessment of Brexit...(about 19min)

[video=youtube;YMJZuIaOl98]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMJZuIaOl98[/video]
 
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Miri

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Barmy EU laws


Ridiculous EU rules that Britain has to adhere to: Six of the worst | Politics | News | Daily Express


The one on light bulbs is really annoying.
The new style lightbulbs take a while to warm up and give off their full
light.

Before the full ban came into effect I went out and bought a load of the old
style light bulbs for the stairs and the landing at the top of the stairs, as if
you switch on a new style bulb it remains dark for a short while. I don't
want to have to wait a few minutes before walking up the stairs.

I just got one of the new light bulbs for my bedroom, it takes about five minutes
to come on properly, that's 5 minutes of toe stubbing and trying to find things in the
dark. I usually just open the curtains. :cool:
 
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MadParrotWoman

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Don't believe all the hype the "stayers" were delving out:

FTSE 100 has best week since 2011 boosted by Carney hint at Brexit injection | Daily Mail Online

Around 20 banks, unfazed by Brexit, to invest 500 million pounds in Britain - PwC By Reuters

There was always going to be a period of adjustment, anyone who said otherwise knew they were lying and anyone who believed otherwise were naive at best. We will do just fine, nations outside of the EU are already clamoring to do business with us (the US included despite what Obummer said) because we are a trading nation. Germany will want to sell us their cars because we buy a large percentage of them! I believe that this is the reason Merkel is being reasonably calm in comparison to France for instance. Soon we will have a new prime minister (the opposition being in disarray is nothing new!) and things will begin to settle down once we push the exit button and begin process of leaving - this alone will take 2 years!

Brexit was a victory for the little man over the super-rich, many of whom do not know that the remnants of life exists outside of the trading centre that is the city of London and the kids who are kicking up stink will one day thank the older generation for saving their arses...if I can use that word on a Christian forum ;)

I am not scared for Britain's future but I am excited! God is in control.
 

tanakh

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There does seem to be an undercurrent of anti antisemitism running through the labour party at present, Corbyn isn't the only one. The blessing in all of this is that the labour party seems to have pushed the self-destruct button. Right now there seems to be no alternative to the Tories (conservatives) this is not a good thing - there should always be choice. I have always voted UKIP but now we have our independence I don't know what will happen to them.
Nigel Farage has stood down as UKIP leader, because he said he has achieved his purpose in getting us out of the EU. He will still be present in the EU assembly until we finally leave. I don't know what will become of UKIP. It is a one policy Party so unless they come up with some radical new ideas they may disappear once we leave.

Meanwhile Jeremy Corbyne still refuses to step down as opposition leader. I can see the party splitting if the situation doesnt change. Another alternative would be that Labour loses its official opposition status and it is given to the Scottish National Party. That would not be good for the Country because they want to break away from the rest of the UK. I can think things will take a while to settle before Political life returns to anything like normal. That is assuming it ever will.
 

Desdichado

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Nigel Farage has stood down as UKIP leader, because he said he has achieved his purpose in getting us out of the EU. He will still be present in the EU assembly until we finally leave. I don't know what will become of UKIP. It is a one policy Party so unless they come up with some radical new ideas they may disappear once we leave.

Meanwhile Jeremy Corbyne still refuses to step down as opposition leader. I can see the party splitting if the situation doesnt change. Another alternative would be that Labour loses its official opposition status and it is given to the Scottish National Party. That would not be good for the Country because they want to break away from the rest of the UK. I can think things will take a while to settle before Political life returns to anything like normal. That is assuming it ever will.
I would expect the new normal to look nothing like the old normal ;)