Change Your Gun Laws, America

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Read it and sounds like perfect document to promote the Christian faith according to each mans conscience ...in liberty
It is not a perfect document, elsewise they wouldn't have to change it so much. Furthermore right from the first amendment it is clearly anti-Christian as it forces the government to support false religions and heresies.
 
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It is not a perfect document, elsewise they wouldn't have to change it so much. Furthermore right from the first amendment it is clearly anti-Christian as it forces the government to support false religions and heresies.
No.. you don't understand that the true faith is not imposed on people..its a choice men make in their own conscience and they worship God as they choose in their own conscience ...that's the intention of the constitution ..written by men who understood the truth faith would win if given liberty .
 
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On the first part, yes we have to follow the law of the land so long as it does not force us to transgress the law of God. The US Constitution is written in such a way that it is only the law of the government, it is not the law of the citizen or the freeman. The law of the land is the obligations of citizenship which is actually fairly easy to adhere to for the time being.

Gun control policies would be good for the people because the violence is all ready increasing so much that martial law or anarchy is unavoidable if it continues at this rate. Again to be clear, gun control policy does not mean disarming.
So why do the cities with the strictest gun control policies have the highest violent crime rates? What kind of gun control do you advocate?
 
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Our guns is primarily not for terrorist, but they are in reserve for our own government. Nothing more to say.
 
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So why do the cities with the strictest gun control policies have the highest violent crime rates? What kind of gun control do you advocate?
The cities with the strict gun control and high gun crime rates are still in states or near states with lax gun policy.

I advocate totally destroying the gun from the face of the earth since I know history and where this machination originates from, and it comes from religion, but not the good kind.

Seeing that this will not happen though, any measure is fine by me. Anything to spare my people from this violence is welcome. It's an ironic position we find ourselves in. The strongest anti-gun man must ally with the strongest pro-gun man to try to reduce gun violence for the sake of the people. The gun advocates must ally with the gun control advocates to reduce the gun violence before the government uses the violence as an excuse to totally disarm them.

Some ideas I've floated around, and they are not exclusive to me; raise the age limit, reduce the overall number of guns, restrict certain types of guns especially military-style guns, tougher background checks, tougher criteria to own a gun, buyback programs, crackdown and confiscate weapons from known gangsters and gangland areas, and a return to chivalry (lol that last one might be wishful thinking). Any one or combination or all of these is good.

What can you think of? If we are creative and if we align to do this then we'll both get what we want, a reduction in gun violence while still protecting the so-called responsible gun owner. If we do not do anything though then we both get what we do not want which is either mass gun violence like Syria or a totalitarian hellhole like the communist regimes of old.
 
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On the first part, yes we have to follow the law of the land so long as it does not force us to transgress the law of God. The US Constitution is written in such a way that it is only the law of the government, it is not the law of the citizen or the freeman. The law of the land is the obligations of citizenship which is actually fairly easy to adhere to for the time being.

Gun control policies would be good for the people because the violence is all ready increasing so much that martial law or anarchy is unavoidable if it continues at this rate. Again to be clear, gun control policy does not mean disarming.

Then I am sorry to say you do not understand the Separation of Church and State, for there is two sides to it;
1) The government can not infringe on religious institutions to enforce their ways on them.............
2) The government can not build its laws based off one religious belief system............

Second the reason why violence is increasing and anarchy and initially martial law are unavoidable is because of government making stricter laws and infringing on people's rights, not because of the lack of stricter policies !!!
 
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Then I am sorry to say you do not understand the Separation of Church and State, for there is two sides to it;
1) The government can not infringe on religious institutions to enforce their ways on them.............
2) The government can not build its laws based off one religious belief system............

Second the reason why violence is increasing and anarchy and initially martial law are unavoidable is because of government making stricter laws and infringing on people's rights, not because of the lack of stricter policies !!!
Then that is just more proof of how corrupt the Constitution really is. That's pretty much my point. It's no wonder then that America is getting what it deserves.
 
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Then that is just more proof of how corrupt the Constitution really is. That's pretty much my point. It's no wonder then that America is getting what it deserves.
so where is this other system of government you think is better? what nation has ever been more blessed than this nation under this constitution? There has never been nor ever will be a better system and history proves it in absolute terms. So if you have a better document that men have used to form a civil government ...tell us what it is?
 
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so where is this other system of government you think is better? what nation has ever been more blessed than this nation under this constitution? There has never been nor ever will be a better system and history proves it in absolute terms. So if you have a better document that men have used to form a civil government ...tell us what it is?

That's an easy one. Read the Bible. Deiocracy.
 
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That's an easy one. Read the Bible. Deiocracy.
Oh yea ...so who decides ..you or the Pope? That's the very thing our constitution was written to defend us from...the history of murder and death of the RCC and the church of England.... so where has this system worked? Even God destroyed to old system of law because it didn't work.
 
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Angela,

If I were you I would go check the FBI Crime Stastics instead of a think tank that is a bunch of anti gun owners. How many of those killed by guns were suicides? I think it was in 2012 there were over 17,000 gun crimes commited in the US and the government only prosecuted 4 when they were all federal and state offenses. We need to enforce the laws we have and quit worrying about new ones. As for the other countries you mentioned they have been disarmed for many decades and do not share any of the liberties we have. If you get caught entering Mexico at the border stations with a bullet mixed in with your change you can be imprisoned and look at Mexico they have some of the most restrictive gun laws anywhere and the worst mass murders.

When you dis-arm the law abiding public, criminals will rule.
 
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Rather get shot than carved up by a dull knife....c'mon outta tha heart the hands will murder.
We need to ban the sale of sharp objects, then it will be blunt force trama, then we will have to pick up all the rocks in America. :p
 
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Oh yea ...so who decides ..you or the Pope? That's the very thing our constitution was written to defend us from...the history of murder and death of the RCC and the church of England.... so where has this system worked? Even God destroyed to old system of law because it didn't work.
I think you're confusing theocracy with deiocracy. Worked in the time of the Judges, worked in the time of David, still working now, and it is the only government that will exist. Read the Lord's Prayer.
 

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Whats it to anyone if I have as many guns as I want? or if I have as many cars as I want ...folks should mind their own business and let others live the liberty God has giving to us in this nation.

Well whats the point if you cant use them all at once in a hail of gunfire? I mean two at a time is no fun for anyone. And you are really hard up about this seeing how I said I don't care, but you get all angry. Like calm down son. No one is taking your toys away.
 
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Well whats the point if you cant use them all at once in a hail of gunfire? I mean two at a time is no fun for anyone. And you are really hard up about this seeing how I said I don't care, but you get all angry. Like calm down son. No one is taking your toys away.
I can only drive one car at a time...what business is it to anyone how many I decide I want? And your very right..we do and will continue to get upset when folks suggest we give up our rights. Why do you defend your rights? What business have you to speak? If I tried to take that right from you...you might get upset...right?
 
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I've been saving this article for a rainy day. It was posted by a friend of mine on FB, who is an American Christian. It is written by an American, and published by an American magazine, although probably too left wing for some of the right wing extremists in this forum.

But hey! Maybe it is time to look at a different side of this issue.

"Since 9/11, the United States has responded aggressively to the danger of terrorism, taking extraordinary measures, invading two countries, launching military operations in many others, and spending more than $800 billion on homeland security. Americans have accepted an unprecedented expansion of government powers and invasions of their privacy to prevent such attacks. Since 9/11, 74 people have been killed in the United States by terrorists, according to the think tank New America. In that same period, more than 150,000 Americans have been killed in gun homicides, and we have done . . .nothing.

Our attitude seems to be one of fatalism. Another day, another mass shooting. Which is almost literally true. The Web site shootingtracker.com documents that in the first 207 days of 2015, the nation had 207 mass shootings. After one of these takes place now, everyone goes through a ritual of shock and horror, and then moves on, aware that nothing will change, accepting that this is just one of those quirks of American life. But it is 150,000 deaths. Almost three Vietnams.

After last week’s incident in Lafayette, La., the governor of the state and Republican presidential candidate, Bobby Jindal, pointed his finger at what has now become the standard explanation for these events: “Look, every time this happens, it seems like the person has a history of mental illness.”

But it makes little sense to focus on mental health. The United States has a gun homicide rate that is at least a dozen times higher than those of most other industrialized countries. It is 50 times higher than Germany’s, for instance. We don’t have 50 times as many mentally disturbed people as Germany does — but we do have many, many more guns.

At least we have stopped blaming gun violence on video games. Perhaps someone noticed that other countries have lots of violence in their pop culture but don’t have this tsunami of gun deaths. Japan, for example, is consumed by macabre video games and other forms of gory entertainment. In 2008, Japan had just 11 gun homicides. Eleven. Why? Hint: It has very tough gun-control laws.
We have become so inured to the catastrophic levels of violence in our cities that we gloss over them. People often ask me if I think it’s safe for them to travel to countries such as Egypt or Morocco. The reality is that many major U.S. cities have homicide rates that are many times higher than those in places such as Cairo or Casablanca. (And it’s worth noting that non-Islamic terrorists — as in Charleston, S.C. — have killed almost twice as many people as jihadis have in the United States since 9/11.)

It is not an act of fate that has caused 150,000 Americans to die over the past 14 years. It is a product of laws, court decisions, lobbying and pandering politicians. We can change it."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dont-give-up-the-fight-to-reduce-us-gun-violence/2015/07/30/5c7b375e-36e8-11e5-9739-170df8af8eb9_story.html
New america is a communist shill organization. The deaths in this country are caused by liberal\communist policies and extremely inflated numbers. America death by guns is far lower per capita of people than other countries who have stricter gun laws. The communist\racist\anarchist in our presidency refuses to use the gun laws on our books because it wants to cause turmoil in the country.
 
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I think you're confusing theocracy with deiocracy. Worked in the time of the Judges, worked in the time of David, still working now, and it is the only government that will exist. Read the Lord's Prayer.
Even God declared that system didn't work... so you want to appoint a king? See this is how silly your argument against the constitution has to become...
 
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Even God declared that system didn't work... so you want to appoint a king? See this is how silly your argument against the constitution has to become...
Lol, now you have monarchy confused with deiocracy. Though you're a little bit closer.

EDIT: here I'll give you a hint. David was king of Israel, but who was king above David?
 
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Lol, now you have monarchy confused with deiocracy. Though you're a little bit closer.

EDIT: here I'll give you a hint. David was king of Israel, but who was king above David?
Ok God told me Im King...and I decide everybody needs guns... your system is great....You do understand that was a system under the law...right?