Cruz gets boo'd off stage
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K
Hahahaha! This is not a straw man argument. Surely you're capable of understanding Voldemort's point... that under certain circumstances, it's more than okay to go back on your word... in fact, it's ethically required in many instances!
Your admission of "I'd cross that bridge" instead of an automatic "Of course I'd stay true to my word, I always do that!" is proof that even you think it's justifiable to go back on a pledge. You're not answering it and masking it as a straw man argument. Me thinks you don't know the meaning of "straw man argument".
Your admission of "I'd cross that bridge" instead of an automatic "Of course I'd stay true to my word, I always do that!" is proof that even you think it's justifiable to go back on a pledge. You're not answering it and masking it as a straw man argument. Me thinks you don't know the meaning of "straw man argument".
K
While you may disagree that a candidate maliciously attacking another candidate's wife is grounds for breaking a pledge, many people do find it justified.
Any real man, in my opinion, would do the same. The ones that wouldn't defend their wife, well... my guess would be they don't fully grasp the sanctity of marriage. I'll exercise my "non politically correct" wings and say many (perhaps most) of them have probably been divorced.
Any real man, in my opinion, would do the same. The ones that wouldn't defend their wife, well... my guess would be they don't fully grasp the sanctity of marriage. I'll exercise my "non politically correct" wings and say many (perhaps most) of them have probably been divorced.
Under the scenarios you described, satanic worshipper and child molestation are the ones in which you can back out of your pledge. Being that neither is the case, the pledge should be honored. The pledge is obviously meaningless and it's time to put the entire concept in the trash heap.
That said, hillary proves herself to be equivalent with satanic worshippers and child molesters and has the blood of dead American patriots on her hands to prove it, but that's for a different thread.
That said, hillary proves herself to be equivalent with satanic worshippers and child molesters and has the blood of dead American patriots on her hands to prove it, but that's for a different thread.
Oh boy. Been biting my tongue for awhile on this stuff, but it really irks me for people from other countries to say anything negative about OUR candidates for OUR countries President.
I could get into Ms. Merkel and the immense amount of blood on her hands because of her open borders globalist agenda, but that's another countries mess.
I will say it is BECAUSE of Merkel, obama, cameron, hollande, etc.. and other globalists, that we have a Trump to begin with.
I could get into Ms. Merkel and the immense amount of blood on her hands because of her open borders globalist agenda, but that's another countries mess.
I will say it is BECAUSE of Merkel, obama, cameron, hollande, etc.. and other globalists, that we have a Trump to begin with.
V
I completely agree. However, I have no issue with anyone disagreeing with this perspective, I just wish they could, at the very least, understand where we are coming from.
Sometimes when people don't agree, understanding one another is the perfect bridge that links the two differing people together. It allows for love and positive communication which yields to potential growth.
Sometimes when people don't agree, understanding one another is the perfect bridge that links the two differing people together. It allows for love and positive communication which yields to potential growth.
I appreciate your response, brother. 
So a candidate personally attacking another candidate's wife is not grounds for breaking the pledge in your opinion though? If it's not, can you elaborate on your stance. I respect your input.
So a candidate personally attacking another candidate's wife is not grounds for breaking the pledge in your opinion though? If it's not, can you elaborate on your stance. I respect your input.
As far as someone attacking my wife, personally I'd take the perpetrator out back and physically duke it out behind the scenes, after which I'd support him on the front lines like a real man. But then again, my name is Utah.
I think part of what bothers the Trump people is that they can see a potentially self-serving political angle in Cruz's speech. Ted is what we are called to be- as clever as a serpent and as innocent as a dove. He understands that principle cannot be advanced without long-term and short-term political maneuvering.
Most Cruzers are going to vote for Trump, but still adore Cruz. Keeping his mouth shut would've been a zero sum game. Cruz knows that- he never makes a political move that he doesn't perceive as strategically beneficial. As he should.
On the same token, these are the words that Cruz felt compelled by principle and honor to say. He, his wife, and his father were slandered by the Trump campaign. Trump is not a doctrinaire conservative.Political interest coincides then with principle and he made a potent and carefully balanced mixture out of the two. He chose his words carefully and employed no anti-Trump rhetoric. If you merely look at the text all he is saying is vote with your conscience and advance conservative ideals. As Newt demonstrated later, that could be taken to mean "vote Trump."
Yes, it was a bit of a slight, but he could've said far worse about Trump from that platform.
From a tactical standpoint it served to give Trump more attention this evening. Drama keeps the voters and activists engaged. That fact certainly wasn't lost on the Trump campaign and RNC when they allowed Cruz to speak and orchestrated the response.
Most Cruzers are going to vote for Trump, but still adore Cruz. Keeping his mouth shut would've been a zero sum game. Cruz knows that- he never makes a political move that he doesn't perceive as strategically beneficial. As he should.
On the same token, these are the words that Cruz felt compelled by principle and honor to say. He, his wife, and his father were slandered by the Trump campaign. Trump is not a doctrinaire conservative.Political interest coincides then with principle and he made a potent and carefully balanced mixture out of the two. He chose his words carefully and employed no anti-Trump rhetoric. If you merely look at the text all he is saying is vote with your conscience and advance conservative ideals. As Newt demonstrated later, that could be taken to mean "vote Trump."
Yes, it was a bit of a slight, but he could've said far worse about Trump from that platform.
From a tactical standpoint it served to give Trump more attention this evening. Drama keeps the voters and activists engaged. That fact certainly wasn't lost on the Trump campaign and RNC when they allowed Cruz to speak and orchestrated the response.
D
This is my problem with voting for him based on SCOTUS. GW had the privilege of picking some Constitutionalists. He picked center-right, which ends up being centered tilting to left, which is left. And he had to because Congress -- who was the Left at the time -- simply refused his true Constitutionalists. It was so bad, many vacancies at judge level across the country. (Thousands.) This is what Congress does on both sides of the aisle anymore. Bipartisanship died over 20 years ago.
So, what does it matter?
So, what does it matter?
