Cruz gets boo'd off stage

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In ones life there comes a time when we have to choose one right (if you would) over another. Yes, Cruz didn't endorse the eventual nominee. So you can say that he didn't stay true to those words. But if he had he would've gone against what he's stood for. What he's believed in.
Then he shouldn't have signed the pledge.
 
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What silly little children. When I vote, it is NEVER for a "Conservative" or a "Liberal." I vote for the PERSON I feel is the best of the choices I have. (Personally, I think it is a bit dull-witted to vote for a "party.")
When is a democrat the better choice?
 
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I'm not spinning anything. And I don't need to sign a pledge for when I say I am going to do something. If I say I am going to do something, I do it. Always have done that to the best of my ability. It has cost me money and heartache but that is what a man does where I come from. Cruz needs to file divorce papers from the gop.
 
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I'm not spinning anything. And I don't need to sign a pledge for when I say I am going to do something. If I say I am going to do something, I do it. Always have done that to the best of my ability. It has cost me money and heartache but that is what a man does where I come from. Cruz needs to file divorce papers from the gop.
I really didn't want to be open about this, but since you think you have the right to bash Cruz over and over again on not keeping his pledge, here it is:

Didn't you pledge "until death do us part?"

Stop pretending you're the better man! And stop pretending you never had to take your word back too!
 
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I really didn't want to be open about this, but since you think you have the right to bash Cruz over and over again on not keeping his pledge, here it is:

Didn't you pledge "until death do us part?"

Stop pretending you're the better man! And stop pretending you never had to take your word back too!
I never filed divorce papers. My intention was to stick it out. I cannot control the choices of another person. You should shut your mouth.
 

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we shouldn't make this personal.... it's about news, and politics.

We should calm down and continue the discussion as brothers and sisters....
 

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when did the republican party become bone of his bone and flesh of his flesh?
You took the words right out of Adam's mouth. But, aren't we supposed to be family? Brothers and sisters? Are you bone of my bone and flesh of my flesh?
 
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we shouldn't make this personal.... it's about news, and politics.

We should calm down and continue the discussion as brothers and sisters....
So did Cruz go back on his word? That is the question. And for that matter...did Bush?

the funny thing about it is that neither one of them thought trump had a snowballs chance when they made that pledge. God really does use the wisdom of the world to make fools of people doesn't He?
 

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It's Billy's turn.

I have had an uneasy feeling about Ted Cruz from the first time I heard him speak. I can't put my finger on it, but there's something about him that just reeks "politician" (one who can lie and honestly believe that he is telling the truth).

I see Donald Trump as a bull in a china shop. If you want broken glass scattered all over this country, he is the perfect candidate. He does have one redeeming attribute. He has the uncanny ability to turn a pile of broken glass into something beautiful. Unfortunately he leaves most of the broken glass scattered outside of his view.

This country faces a situation that will shape the direction it takes for two or more generations in this election. The person who is elected as president will nominate at least 3, and could be as many as 5, justices to SCOTUS. We know for a fact what direction Hillary Clinton will take the court. Since Ted Cruz has lost the party nomination, that direction will fall on Donald Trump if he is elected. Based on what he has said, and his previous positions on the issues facing the country, I believe that he will nominate center-right judges. I will be voting for Donald Trump with the hope that he will keep his word and nominate outstanding people. If you want far left control of this country for the foreseeable future, please by all means vote for Hillary Clinton or a Third Party (Hillary by proxy) candidate.

Please, regardless of who you vote for for president, vote for the most conservative candidate for the house and especially the senate. It is the only hope that we have whether Donald Trump wins or losses.
 
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Then he shouldn't have signed the pledge.
At what point does the pledge become abdicated?

What if right before Trump had the official nomination at the convention, he admits to being addicted to child pornography? What if he admitted to being transgender who wants to divorce Melania and date a man? What if he professed to being a Satan worshiper? Would any of these reasons justify abdication of the pledge you took to support him if you did indeed take that pledge?

If your answer is "No, I would stand by my pledge." then we can agreed to disagree philosophically. Granted Trump didn't do any of those hypothetical scenarios, it just sounds like nothing is worthy of abdication of the pledge Cruz made prior to Trump attacking Heidi.

I would hope any man in Cruz's shoes would not endorse a man who venomously attacks his wife.
 
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What I am saying is Cruz pledged to endorse the eventual republican nominee. So did bush. That is all I am saying. Anything else and you are taking liberties and putting words in my mouth.
I'm not sure about anyone else, but I'm certainly not taking any liberties and putting words in your mouth. I specifically asked you a question on what you would do if you were married, pledged to support the chosen nominee, then afterwards the eventual winning candidate spews filth on your wife.

I'll ask again so no one takes liberties on your words: Would you do the same thing as Cruz or would you still endorse a candidate that personally attacked your wife? (btw, super pacs are independent of the candidates, by law)
 

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So did Cruz go back on his word? That is the question. And for that matter...did Bush?

the funny thing about it is that neither one of them thought trump had a snowballs chance when they made that pledge. God really does use the wisdom of the world to make fools of people doesn't He?
I suppose in the true, legalistic sense of the word, he did. But he also explained WHY he could not follow through on his pledge.

His explanation is good enough for many people, including me, but there are many who will never forget it, and will call him a traitor to his party.

It sounds to me as if Cruz played it about as well as he could, stating that HE could not "endorse" someone that had attacked his wife and father..... but, that conservatives should vote their conscience... which is what most people advise anyway. I take that to mean "vote your POLITICAL conscience" not your spiritual conscience..... otherwise I don't think any of us should vote at all.
 
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we shouldn't make this personal.... it's about news, and politics.

We should calm down and continue the discussion as brothers and sisters....
You're becoming one of my top favorite posters. :cool:
 
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At what point does the pledge become abdicated?

What if right before Trump had the official nomination at the convention, he admits to being addicted to child pornography? What if he admitted to being transgender who wants to divorce Melania and date a man? What if he professed to being a Satan worshiper? Would any of these reasons justify abdication of the pledge you took to support him if you did indeed take that pledge?

If your answer is "No, I would stand by my pledge." then we can agreed to disagree philosophically. Granted Trump didn't do any of those hypothetical scenarios, it just sounds like nothing is worthy of abdication of the pledge Cruz made prior to Trump attacking Heidi.

I would hope any man in Cruz's shoes would not endorse a man who venomously attacks his wife.
The Cruz campaign attacked trumps wife. Anyone that isn't half stupid understands that trump will respond in kind times 12.
 
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He did not act like a man last night. You know what acting like a man would have been? QUIT THE PARTY THEN.

But don't use the situation to further your own agenda. Selfish. It will backfire. The party will remember this.
I can understand your viewpoint. However, where I disagree is that I believe he shouldn't abandon the party because Trump attacked his wife. Cruz wants to be the change in the party as oppose to running away from the problems within it.

Many times I've heard Americans say, "Stop fleeing Mexico to the US to find opportunity! Start a revolution and make Mexico better!" Of course, this is easier said than done. I applaud Cruz for defending Heidi over a pledge to support the attacker as president. And if it's Cruz's intention to play a revolutionary role in the 2020 election, I applaud him for that instead of abandoning the entire party.
 
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The Cruz campaign attacked trumps wife. Anyone that isn't half stupid understands that trump will respond in kind times 12.
Is this the super pac or was this Cruz specifically? If it was Cruz spewing filth at Melania, please post links/evidence. I am unaware of this.

If the attack came from a super pac, then don't bother as candidates are not allowed, by law, to affiliate with them... unless you're accusing Cruz of breaking the law and directed the super pac to directly attack Melania. In which case, I'd ask for evidence to support this accusation.
 
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we shouldn't make this personal.... it's about news, and politics.

We should calm down and continue the discussion as brothers and sisters....
Now that I admitted I have gone back on my word, if I then went on about how I always keep my word, would you not call me on it? How about if that is my attack on another? "He doesn't, but I always do?"
 
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So did Cruz go back on his word? That is the question. And for that matter...did Bush?

the funny thing about it is that neither one of them thought trump had a snowballs chance when they made that pledge. God really does use the wisdom of the world to make fools of people doesn't He?
He also put the Pharaohs in charge of Egypt, the Romans in charge of Judah, Hitler in charge of Germany, Stalin and Putin in charge of Russia, and Obama in charge of America. Just because someone gets the job, doesn't mean he has God's blessing.