Donald Trump Bans Transgenders in the Military

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Desdichado

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No, because the military mostly excludes people who are not able-bodied.

do you judge other people as harshly?
Do all men in the army with any condition that would benefit from some kind of treatment enter ONLY to get it?
 

CS1

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do you judge other people as harshly?
Do all men in the army with any condition that would benefit from some kind of treatment enter ONLY to get it?
how is it judging? could it not be the fact ? and what was the reason the last President allowed those with serious mental issues join? most transgender suffer from a form of PTSD, and other issue where they take heavy mind altering drugs . those who are not transgender and suffer from this are Disqualified from Military service did you know that ? don't hear them crying about it .
 
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do you judge other people as harshly?
Do all men in the army with any condition that would benefit from some kind of treatment enter ONLY to get it?
Really? "Reassignment" surgery is vastly expensive, and never covered under health insurance. Do you think it's an accident that suddenly lots of men AND women are signing up and then going for that surgery? Even the HRT is expensive and not covered if it's purely to put more testosterone in a woman's system or more estrogen to put in a man's system. There's a reason for that. It's dangerous, so is a lawsuit waiting to happen. It's just that the PC Police won't let anyone say that out loud.
 

Desdichado

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Personally, I think it's permissible to judge harshly where life and death on a grand scale are at stake.

The move to allow transgenders in the military and provide them with surgery had nothing to do with growing the military or sharpening military efficiency and everything to do with social engineering. Not acceptable.
 

Desdichado

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Also, I would love to know the real number of transgender people in the military. Every time I read an article, somebody throws out a speculative number with three zeros.

I'd also like to know the number of men who went transgender to avoid service in Vietnam. Ohhhh how times have changed.
 
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this maybe a shock to you but in America we do not have "LGBTQ" Right's

We have the Bill Of Right's and those right's are given to every American Citizen. It is a false narrative and untrue that the President this one or any other would lie to those with a sexual preference like gay , lesbian,and bi-sexual aka queer. Transgender is too a false narrative, serious abandonment of reality and a cognitive dilemma . Transgender unlike a sexual preference , requires everyone to self- deny empirical evidence, sound science and nature and accept this Lie of transgender. NO ones Right's in the USA Trump other person's right to not agree with a serious identity Crisis's.

The left tell a lie for so long they believe that "LGBTQ" are an actual race of people. when they are a bunch of letters made up of sexual preferences and an identity issue.

transgender is a graphic form of Child abuse supported by irresponsible Parents and a public educational system and political influences with deep pockets.

transgender do not have the right to serve in the Military if they want preferential treatment that other cannot have.
Actually, we do have homosexual rights now. What couldn't be passed through legislation was passed through court decisions. and just like Roe V. Wade it has become the law of the land. Homosexuals really do have the right to cohabited and be considered with all the rights and privileges of any other marriage -- common law or legal marriage. If cohabiting for X number of years, the spouse does make medical decisions as needed, does get the benefits, if the other spouse dies, and gets the joys of the legal system deciding who gets what when the relationship is over. And, yes, it is no longer court-martialable to be openly homosexual in the military. It's still court-maritialable to be having sex while on duty though. (That's been part of the regs since... I don't know when. lol)

It's the extra-rights being argued now. The "right" to get a cake and flowers from whomever they want, the right to be married in a church, the right to adopt kids, and the right to live in a state that doesn't count homosexual marriage yet, however the couple is already married in another state.

They won the big battles. Now they're after their icing with their cake.

3%ers won again.
 
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Also, I would love to know the real number of transgender people in the military. Every time I read an article, somebody throws out a speculative number with three zeros.

I'd also like to know the number of men who went transgender to avoid service in Vietnam. Ohhhh how times have changed.
Pffft, I'd like an honest and complete definition of transgender. The term changes more often than I wash my hands.
 

Desdichado

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That's unlikely now that we have the satanic concept of "gender fluidity."

Pffft, I'd like an honest and complete definition of transgender. The term changes more often than I wash my hands.
 

Desdichado

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The only way you'll get a definition is if somebody else imposes one upon them. That is, again, unlikely.

It will be interesting to see what the DSMVI looks like.
 

CS1

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Actually, we do have homosexual rights now. What couldn't be passed through legislation was passed through court decisions. and just like Roe V. Wade it has become the law of the land. Homosexuals really do have the right to cohabited and be considered with all the rights and privileges of any other marriage -- common law or legal marriage. If cohabiting for X number of years, the spouse does make medical decisions as needed, does get the benefits, if the other spouse dies, and gets the joys of the legal system deciding who gets what when the relationship is over. And, yes, it is no longer court-martialable to be openly homosexual in the military. It's still court-maritialable to be having sex while on duty though. (That's been part of the regs since... I don't know when. lol)

It's the extra-rights being argued now. The "right" to get a cake and flowers from whomever they want, the right to be married in a church, the right to adopt kids, and the right to live in a state that doesn't count homosexual marriage yet, however the couple is already married in another state.

They won the big battles. Now they're after their icing with their cake.

3%ers won again.
no they do not they have marriage rights by the State not all States adhere to gay marriage . roe v wade if it were over turned would just go back to the States who would allow abortions. a sexual preference do not have right's. per the Bill of Right's. the argument you are making in context to cakes LOl FYI they won over turned by the Courts . Churches to have the right not to preform a marriage ceremony for gay couples .
 

CS1

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Actually, we do have homosexual rights now. What couldn't be passed through legislation was passed through court decisions. and just like Roe V. Wade it has become the law of the land. Homosexuals really do have the right to cohabited and be considered with all the rights and privileges of any other marriage -- common law or legal marriage. If cohabiting for X number of years, the spouse does make medical decisions as needed, does get the benefits, if the other spouse dies, and gets the joys of the legal system deciding who gets what when the relationship is over. And, yes, it is no longer court-martialable to be openly homosexual in the military. It's still court-maritialable to be having sex while on duty though. (That's been part of the regs since... I don't know when. lol)

It's the extra-rights being argued now. The "right" to get a cake and flowers from whomever they want, the right to be married in a church, the right to adopt kids, and the right to live in a state that doesn't count homosexual marriage yet, however the couple is already married in another state.

They won the big battles. Now they're after their icing with their cake.

3%ers won again.
lol if you think they won those who are gay it would be in all 50 states or 53 if your a liberal . and homosexual are not the same as transgender . lol I love the false narrative and lies of those supporting transgender issues
 
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I think gender fluidity is an interesting concept, less cringeworthy than other things. What does the bible have to say about it? It doesn't because its a newly formed concept. Surely people should be allowed to not be judged by the physical flesh they live in. I'm not a homophobe like it appears some uneducated people on this thread are, although it doesn't mean I agree with it. I think it is better to be accepting of people rather than to suppress them.

Suppression is an evil in itself. How can you bring people into the light if you suppress them, and unwittingly push them into dark places, and into the wrong hands, and the wrong crowd. There are gays and there are gays, just like there are straight people and straight people, both capable of wicked things.

However it is easy for a Christian to scapegoat that which the bible appears to 'allow them' to. Of course forget about Jesus talking about love, forget about that one. Even the majority of Muslims are peaceful, but those who are not, or those that come from deprived nations (not real Muslims), do the same thing, they take context out of their holy book and use it for their own agenda 'against the wicked'. Often when people do that, they themselves are wicked. And it is wicked because it is without love, to be against 'an enemy'. Just like people might talk here. Say something loving for a change.
 
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I'm kind of surprised he did it.

ROSELLA is right in that he ran on a very pro-LGBT platform. I honestly thought he had other priorities.

But politics, priorities, and realities on-the-job make people contort. This is just one of those occasions.
He ran on a pro-LGBT platform?That guy Is unstable.
 
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I'm sorry, but this is how sick and twisted our society has become. I had an uncle, and know of several others, who were rejected to serve in the military because of issues as minor as having flat feet!

Now some are saying that it unfair and wrong to deny guys that want to have a sex change?

These are mentally ill individuals, and should be treated as such.

I had HUGE reservations about voting for President Trump, and I still think he can be a total boor, but I could not be happier with what he has done in his 1st 6 months. The ONLY thing holding back MASSIVE changes for the good are the feckless, cowardly Republicans in congress! Unfortunately, we have no choice but to continue voting GOP. The REAL vote to get these cowards out happens in the primaries.
Problem being a Pennsylvanian. By the time the primaries come, the decision was already made for us. (I say PA should have our primary the first Tuesday in November, the year before the election.) Problem with being a Philadelphian is there is no decision to be made. Democrats and more-spending win every time.
 

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He ran on a pro-LGBT platform?That guy Is unstable.
he ran on a lot of things but he still cannot do outside of the Rule of Law. and transgender is child abuse. and anyone who would support this lie is not showing any love that is biblical . No where did Jesus save a person to stay in the sin, sickness or condition only a Devil would do that.
 
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no they do not they have marriage rights by the State not all States adhere to gay marriage . roe v wade if it were over turned would just go back to the States who would allow abortions. a sexual preference do not have right's. per the Bill of Right's. the argument you are making in context to cakes LOl FYI they won over turned by the Courts . Churches to have the right not to preform a marriage ceremony for gay couples .
When your "right" includes paying massive legal fees to enforce those rights, it's no longer a right. Many churches in my denom have stopped marrying people in the churches to avoid the legal cost of defending "the right" not to marry someone. They really do have equal rights -- by force, but they have it.
 

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This whole issue is not about ideology. It's about military readiness.
 
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Well, he's not conservative, but that doesn't mean he's unstable. He is for "same-sex marriage."
I agree that he Is not a conservative but I DO think he's unstable or maybe he Is a brazen liar.
 

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When your "right" includes paying massive legal fees to enforce those rights, it's no longer a right. Many churches in my denom have stopped marrying people in the churches to avoid the legal cost of defending "the right" not to marry someone. They really do have equal rights -- by force, but they have it.
the context of "they are gay men and women who want to marry. Not transgender or bi-sexuals this is why there is no such thing as "LGBTQ" rights context of the individual are needed.