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Rand Paul defense of the 4th and 5th amendments is about going by the law to get a warrant to make a person hand over materials.
Christie and a few others wants to break that and just put secret monitoring on all devices by the government, which is a direct violation of privacy that Paul was standing up against.
I don't blame Rand Paul for that as the government has no business having secret surveillance on all people invading our right to privacy.
Christie and a few others wants to break that and just put secret monitoring on all devices by the government, which is a direct violation of privacy that Paul was standing up against.
I don't blame Rand Paul for that as the government has no business having secret surveillance on all people invading our right to privacy.
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She and her campaign would like us to believe is is a "convenient excuse," but in the end, it makes no difference. Nothing that goes through State is "classified at the time," because its initial form is as raw data, or an analysis thereof. Everyone knows it's sensitive, and they'd have to be ignoramuses not to know that something dealing with satellite or electronic intel, or "eyes on" reports from a covert operative on the ground is sensitive and should be assimilated with the very valid assumption it is Top Secret, because it is. She's trying to play the American people for fools yet again, but this time it won't wash.
I had a security clearance in the U.S. Army. Before I was issued my credentials, I met with a DIA officer who gave me a half-hour tutorial on the handling and dissemination of classified information. It was made very clear to me that everything I touched was, if not already stamped as such, to be treated as Top Secret, even though as mid-level command staff of a combat unit I would rarely actually see Top Secret. I'm positive FBI or CIA or somebody gives civilians the exact same dress-down.
Doubtful. With a security breach this huge, somebody's head is gonna roll, and this time a mid-level stooge won't do. She's out of government, she won't cause the perception of a national security collapse because (they'll forget) it already happened when she was SecState.
That was never her plan. She knew she'd lied. She couldn't afford to let it out. But she couldn't afford to have armed federal officers show up in Chappaqua and demand custody of the server, either.
As I've told you before, there is absolutely nothing in the form of leaks, partisan denials, or negative publicity -- not even positive publicity -- coming out of the Benghazi committee. It is locked down tight, because the Democrats are just as pissed off at what they're seeing and hearing as the GOP, and the report coming on in the spring will drive the final nail in Hillary's coffin.
The FBI natrional security unit has it. It may as well be in John Boehner's desk drawer. Those boys are serious about their jobs.
I had a security clearance in the U.S. Army. Before I was issued my credentials, I met with a DIA officer who gave me a half-hour tutorial on the handling and dissemination of classified information. It was made very clear to me that everything I touched was, if not already stamped as such, to be treated as Top Secret, even though as mid-level command staff of a combat unit I would rarely actually see Top Secret. I'm positive FBI or CIA or somebody gives civilians the exact same dress-down.
Doubtful. With a security breach this huge, somebody's head is gonna roll, and this time a mid-level stooge won't do. She's out of government, she won't cause the perception of a national security collapse because (they'll forget) it already happened when she was SecState.
That was never her plan. She knew she'd lied. She couldn't afford to let it out. But she couldn't afford to have armed federal officers show up in Chappaqua and demand custody of the server, either.
As I've told you before, there is absolutely nothing in the form of leaks, partisan denials, or negative publicity -- not even positive publicity -- coming out of the Benghazi committee. It is locked down tight, because the Democrats are just as pissed off at what they're seeing and hearing as the GOP, and the report coming on in the spring will drive the final nail in Hillary's coffin.
The FBI natrional security unit has it. It may as well be in John Boehner's desk drawer. Those boys are serious about their jobs.
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You know VW, this is one of the best posts I've ever read. Really. The header "Hillary's finished: Hands over private server, contains 'top secret' documents" is superb.
One bit of criticism. You wrote a hilarious response yesterday. But it lagged at the end with "just sayin." Something like that.
This "But she's not going to admit it until they come to haul her off in handcuffs" sorta does the same thing. It slows down, lags.
Hope you don't mind my criticism.
Even with the lag, it is an excellent post. The flow and tone of the most flows in conjunction with the header.
Excellent. And the tone fits the subject.
One bit of criticism. You wrote a hilarious response yesterday. But it lagged at the end with "just sayin." Something like that.
This "But she's not going to admit it until they come to haul her off in handcuffs" sorta does the same thing. It slows down, lags.
Hope you don't mind my criticism.
Even with the lag, it is an excellent post. The flow and tone of the most flows in conjunction with the header.
Excellent. And the tone fits the subject.
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You're just not getting it, GiS. Those documents were classified within days of when she received them. Some of them within hours. She knew, even before they were classified, they most likely would be, given their sensitivity relative to the level and source of information.
She can't use that excuse. It doesn't wash legally or procedurally. Like I said, nothing comes into State, CIA, DIA, FBI, or any other agency already classified, and the top dogs, the ones with "need to know" status -- like SecState -- see it first, and usually raw. It gets classified as it gets handed down the line.
She knew the stuff she was getting dealt with top-level national security interests, that it would be classified at the very least "Secret," the mid-level security designation, and she also knew that storing it in emails on a low-level-security commercially available server was a breach of national security protocols.
The long and short of it is,she simply didn't care, because the low-level-security commercially available server met her selfish, arrogantly conceived needs, and now she's going to go down trying to justify, obfuscate, and deny, just like she and Bill have throughout their crooked political careers. But this time she screwed around with the wrong laws.
She can't use that excuse. It doesn't wash legally or procedurally. Like I said, nothing comes into State, CIA, DIA, FBI, or any other agency already classified, and the top dogs, the ones with "need to know" status -- like SecState -- see it first, and usually raw. It gets classified as it gets handed down the line.
She knew the stuff she was getting dealt with top-level national security interests, that it would be classified at the very least "Secret," the mid-level security designation, and she also knew that storing it in emails on a low-level-security commercially available server was a breach of national security protocols.
The long and short of it is,she simply didn't care, because the low-level-security commercially available server met her selfish, arrogantly conceived needs, and now she's going to go down trying to justify, obfuscate, and deny, just like she and Bill have throughout their crooked political careers. But this time she screwed around with the wrong laws.
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Who reads the classified information? Is it not the secretaries, the congress, and the president? Hillary is a high link in that chain sure, but it comes down to Obama ultimately since he directly manages the cabinet. Just like with Benghazi, the buck stops at Obama. This wasn't even an issue until a few months ago.. If there were a real case it would have all ready been underway. Why wait so many years? Truth is they did not classify her e-mails then and all this only became an issue well after the fact. The only purpose it serves is to hide information from the public.
All they can do now is heavily censor, classify, forge, and alter those documents. If they really cared about Benghazi or the Hillar-e-mail issue they'd have to go after Obama instead of waste time on Hillary his underling. The GOP have spun it politically to some effect, but I'd advise not to get pigeon-holed on something so minor as this. There's a lot more to cover with Hillary.
All they can do now is heavily censor, classify, forge, and alter those documents. If they really cared about Benghazi or the Hillar-e-mail issue they'd have to go after Obama instead of waste time on Hillary his underling. The GOP have spun it politically to some effect, but I'd advise not to get pigeon-holed on something so minor as this. There's a lot more to cover with Hillary.
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You didn't "hear" me, because you don't want to hear me. You want to join in the Clinton campaign to help her make excuses. She has no excuses. Obama didn't make her use a private server. Obama didn't make her not send the security that was desperately needed in Tripoli and Benghazi. He probably wouldn't have sent security either, but she never bothered to buck upstairs to him to ask, "What do you think?"
This has been an issue since 24 hours after Benghazi. The administration started lying through its stooges like Susan Rice, Maria Sand, Cheryl Mills, and Jay Carney immediately. The time line during which the truth was quashed and their fiction invented is amazing, because there was no real reason to lie -- except for two presidential campaigns: Obama's reelection, and Clinton's intended run in 2016. So really, there was every reason to lie. But they aren't going to get away with it.
"Truth is" all emails are to be treated as classified until stamped otherwise, and Clinton knew this. Your insistent yammering -- Hillary's soon-to-be-heard insistent yammering -- "the emails weren't classified" is irrelevant in light of State protocol. Everything initially is unclassified, but the necessity is to treat it as classified anyway. She didn't, even though she knew she had to by law and by protocol, and she's done.
Now you, as an obvious Clinton supporter despite your denials, don't like that, and I understand that, but you're gonna have to suck it up, because she is history -- except, perhaps, as a number in Leavenworth, though you and I both know it won't get that bad for her. Like Sirk said about Bill, she might decide to eat a bullet herself.
And you said "all they can do now is heavily censor, classify ... " Sorry GiS, but they've been classified from the moment they were written, and yammering "no no no no no nanny nanny boo-boo" won't change that.
We're done here. As someone else told you today, it is obvious you won't listen to facts and reason, preferring only to force feed your views into our heads, but my immune system is geared to liberal Pablum, and rejects it. Have a great night, see you tomorrow, and God bless.
This has been an issue since 24 hours after Benghazi. The administration started lying through its stooges like Susan Rice, Maria Sand, Cheryl Mills, and Jay Carney immediately. The time line during which the truth was quashed and their fiction invented is amazing, because there was no real reason to lie -- except for two presidential campaigns: Obama's reelection, and Clinton's intended run in 2016. So really, there was every reason to lie. But they aren't going to get away with it.
"Truth is" all emails are to be treated as classified until stamped otherwise, and Clinton knew this. Your insistent yammering -- Hillary's soon-to-be-heard insistent yammering -- "the emails weren't classified" is irrelevant in light of State protocol. Everything initially is unclassified, but the necessity is to treat it as classified anyway. She didn't, even though she knew she had to by law and by protocol, and she's done.
Now you, as an obvious Clinton supporter despite your denials, don't like that, and I understand that, but you're gonna have to suck it up, because she is history -- except, perhaps, as a number in Leavenworth, though you and I both know it won't get that bad for her. Like Sirk said about Bill, she might decide to eat a bullet herself.
And you said "all they can do now is heavily censor, classify ... " Sorry GiS, but they've been classified from the moment they were written, and yammering "no no no no no nanny nanny boo-boo" won't change that.
We're done here. As someone else told you today, it is obvious you won't listen to facts and reason, preferring only to force feed your views into our heads, but my immune system is geared to liberal Pablum, and rejects it. Have a great night, see you tomorrow, and God bless.
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We shall see, but with Obama as president and Hillary in the running to be president, your little Leavenworth fantasy will not happen. Though I will not vote for Hillary, I'd still recommend the GOP doesn't get pigeon-holed on something so petty as e-mails. For instance a big question on people's minds at the current time is her connections to Trump.
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Spreading around classified top secret material can result in a variety of prosecutorial actions depending on a wide range of factors.
Chelsea Manning got 35 years, while former CIA chief David Petraeus got off with a mere two years' probation and a $100,000 fine.
The FBI is investigating. They have a one of the best, if not the best, data forensic departments in the world. The consequences will depend on what they discover. What punishment Hillary might face is uncertain.
Chelsea Manning got 35 years, while former CIA chief David Petraeus got off with a mere two years' probation and a $100,000 fine.
The FBI is investigating. They have a one of the best, if not the best, data forensic departments in the world. The consequences will depend on what they discover. What punishment Hillary might face is uncertain.
