Ireland Votes For Same-Sex Marriage

[Pumicestone]

So I assume by your response that you also believe the Bible is faulty and that
Romans 1:27
"And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet"
is a poor interpretation as well.

Therefore my response to this bit of shocking news that
"Bible passages condemning homosexuality are .... faulty translation and poor interpretation"
Is that some alleged scholars use statements such as this to advocate there own personal agendas.

Lastly, and in closing, I will leave you with this pearl of wisdom.
Opinions such as these are like rectums, everyone has one, some just smell worse than others.

In line with your insightful analogy, Shadow, I figure it's more like the situation when somebody has 'released gas' in a crowded lift (Yank = elevator).
Nobody knows whom - but the fact remains obvious that it happened !

I "assume" only that if a bunch of scholars from a broad cross section of academia suggest one thing - giving vast evidence of their research and reasoning,
and Shadow believes otherwise but produces no evidence whatever,
I'm inclined to go with the scholars and theologians.
BTW - A brief Google-session will reveal heaps and heaps of others with similar conclusions.

I know, I know. They are all dumb or led by Satan or part of some Grand Conspiracy
and the fundies are right. Of course.

 

[Jimbone]

In line with your insightful analogy, Shadow, I figure it's more like the situation when somebody has 'released gas' in a crowded lift (Yank = elevator).
Nobody knows whom - but the fact remains obvious that it happened !

I "assume" only that if a bunch of scholars from a broad cross section of academia suggest one thing - giving vast evidence of their research and reasoning,
and Shadow believes otherwise but produces no evidence whatever,
I'm inclined to go with the scholars and theologians.
BTW - A brief Google-session will reveal heaps and heaps of others with similar conclusions.

I know, I know. They are all dumb or led by Satan or part of some Grand Conspiracy
and the fundies are right. Of course.

Yea but the case you presented was about "born eunuchs" and the verse he just posted said nothing about that. You just get to apply the same thing to every verse that deals with this matter? That is not a logical case.

 

[Shadow-THI]

In line with your insightful analogy, Shadow, I figure it's more like the situation when somebody has 'released gas' in a crowded lift (Yank = elevator).
Nobody knows whom - but the fact remains obvious that it happened !

I "assume" only that if a bunch of scholars from a broad cross section of academia suggest one thing - giving vast evidence of their research and reasoning,
and Shadow believes otherwise but produces no evidence whatever,
I'm inclined to go with the scholars and theologians.
BTW - A brief Google-session will reveal heaps and heaps of others with similar conclusions.

I know, I know. They are all dumb or led by Satan or part of some Grand Conspiracy
and the fundies are right. Of course.

I liked your gas analogy. Had a good chuckle, Thanks.

In no way shape or form would I clam superior intelligence to the vast scholars as you have mentioned. However, scholars such as you allude to have also touted "The Big Bang Theory", "Evolution Theory", as well as the current theory of "Global Warming." All of which were also extensively researched, documented, and adamantly defended. I do not subscribe to their researched, findings, or asertions either.

I absolutely disagree with your last paragraph. I truly and sincerely do not believe that the scholars and theologians you refer to are dumb, led by Satan, or are they part of some grand conspiracy. That being said Sir, if given the option of living my life via those same scholars and theologians, or by the written word of my Lord and Savior, I will opt for the later without question.

The premise which they ascribe to, is that the written word of our Lord and Savior is flawed. It my premise that it's their research that may very well be flawed. Do I want to take the eons of research to support my assertion? My answer to you Sir is, why should I? The only evidence, which I can only assume you denounce as correct, is the Bible itself. My faith goes beyond their research and conjectures. I personally do not care one iota if they can produce a stadium fully of research. It is also MY belief that there is nothing anyone can produce or say that would change my thoughts on this. I am a faithful servant of my Lord and Savior, and I will go to my grave supporting and glorifying him in anyway I can, including his written word as recorded, as is, in the Holy Bible. You Sir are free to believe anything you choose. Your beliefs are not my concern. I am truly sorry that your faith is so weak that you can be swayed so easily away from that which is written for all the faithful to live by.

BTW - I will not under any circumstances google as you suggest, no matter how brief. I will reiterate, my faith based on the word of my Lord and Savior is my standard I choose to live by. Therefore, I will not spend even one second of my time reading anything to disprove what I believe in, whether it does or not, and I do so with every fiber of my being. My faith is absolutely unshakeable

 

[Pumicestone]

I Thank you for your prompt and intriguing response, Shadow.

And please, should we communicate again, and I hope we do, feel free to drop the "Sir".
My father was indeed a knight of the realm - but it was not hereditary.
I will happily settle for Keith or Pumicestone or even Pum.
Some have suggested Saint Pum or even Pope Pum.

I particularly appreciate the respectful tone of your post whilst other here have tended to become quite aggressive or derogatory when confronted with a view which differs from their own.

That said, I recall watching and listening in awe as a well-known televangelist once said
"If the Bible told me that 1+1=5, I would know that that was true".

My fuzzy brain cannot get around this absolute reliance on the Bible - just look at the vast differences expressed on this Christian site.
All relying on that same source and they cannot even agree on the most basic stuff - like the means of salvation.


Seek to be happy - believe.
Seek the truth - doubt !

 

[PennEd]

Top scholars--like the late John Boswell of Yale,
Daniel Boyarin of Berkeley,
Bernadette Brooten of Brandeis,
L.William Countryman of the Church Divinity School of the Pacific in Berkeley,
Victor P. Furnish of SMU,
Saul M. Olyan of Brown and
Robin Scruggs of Union Theological Seminary--
show that those who perceive Bible passages as condemning homosexuality are being misled by faulty translation and poor interpretation......
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/188636009X/jesusmetropolita


Jesus refers to "eunuchs who have been so from birth."
This terminology ("born eunuchs") was used in the ancient world to refer to homosexual men.
Jesus indicates that being a "born eunuch" is a gift from God.

" For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. ” (Matthew 19:11-12)

Some Christians confidently assert that God did not create homosexual people "that way."
This is important because they realize if God did create gays "that way," rejecting them would be tantamount to rejecting God’s work in creation.
http://www.wouldjesusdiscriminate.org/biblical_evidence/born_gay.html

I believe you are displaying, by your presence here, even though you are not a Christian, by the arguments you are making for homosexual marriage, by your deepest desire to have others, especially high ranking clergy,affirm homosexuality, the immense guilt you feel, because you KNOW homosexuality is wrong and sinful. And somehow you, and others like you think that if everyone believes the sex you are engaging in is fine and NOT sinful, then it magically will be ok.

The problem is God has written on your heart that you KNOW it's wrong and sinful. So it doesn't matter if every human being on earth thought it was ok, the God that created you says it's not, and you can't escape that truth.

I pray in Jesus name, you would accept His perfect sacrifice for your sin, no matter what it is, that you would recieve His Grace and forgiveness.

 

[Pumicestone]

......you, and others like you think that if everyone believes the sex you are engaging in is fine and NOT sinful, then it magically will be ok.....

Now settle down, Penn, and don't jump to conclusions.
I am very definitely not gay !
Quite frankly, I personally find the mental picture of homosexual activity quite repugnant.

However - I do not believe it is "sinful" and I do reckon that people should be free to marry the person they love.
There is no doubt that many are born "that way" and are thus God's creations. Does He err ?

 

[Pumicestone]

Marriage Equality looks like succeeding in Australia soon too.
About 22 advanced countries (and 30+ American states) have apparently given the green light so far.

Loving same-sex couples who wish to formalize their union and their long-term commitment will be able to do so.

Others should not feel threatened. If you are not gay, it will not impact on you in any way.

It is not as if same-sex relationships were being made compulsory !

 

[Jeff_56]

So who will perform the marriages? This will prove which churches are Christian. Right now a church pastor isn't being forced to perform the ceremony for gay "marriages." But I think the time will come.
The RCC is not taking a definite stand against it which is sad. The Archbishop should not come on camera and soft pedal holiness. It is too sad to hear wishy washy on this issue. He never really said anything against or for it IMO. He should take a stand for holiness.

as noted by all the reformers for many decades or centuries, the rcc is antichrist and heresy --- there is no good thing can come from the rcc doctrines or practices.
this site, the owner of it and all the admins , and all the true believers, have declared as much.

 

[MadParrotWoman]

Now settle down, Penn, and don't jump to conclusions.
I am very definitely not gay !
Quite frankly, I personally find the mental picture of homosexual activity quite repugnant.

However - I do not believe it is "sinful" and I do reckon that people should be free to marry the person they love.
There is no doubt that many are born "that way" and are thus God's creations. Does He err ?

Are they "born that way"? If so why do some marry and have children only to later proclaim their homosexuality. Without going into the finer points...if they were "gay" to begin with how could they do the necessary "business" to make a child? I used to think homosexuals were born that way too but now I don't - it's a lifestyle choice and most definitely a sin - no better or worse than any other sin but a sin nonetheless. God called it an abomination!