Trump/Pence pray for our nation

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Seriously? The intent of the OP was to chuck stones.......and stones were chucked by you in the OP.........honestly, truth has left this Forum a long time ago. About the time that people sold out all they believed, and their First Love to become a disciple of The Donald.
Hyperbole. You're better than that, Bama.
 
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People tend to call others who support trump, trumpites or try to put some other negative connotation on us. That is what really gets me...because it is the same thing people who follow "rules for radicals" do.....it's an attempt at dehumanizing your opponent and frankly it makes me mad when people who I would otherwise agree with do such a lowbrow thing....I expect it from hateful marxists but not from so called christians.
Funny how Bama's posts were in fact "liked" by our little Marxist.
 
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People tend to call others who support trump, trumpites or try to put some other negative connotation on us. That is what really gets me...because it is the same thing people who follow "rules for radicals" do.....it's an attempt at dehumanizing your opponent and frankly it makes me mad when people who I would otherwise agree with do such a lowbrow thing....I expect it from hateful marxists but not from so called christians.
I can see why that would be irritating and frustrating.

I think we as Christians should disagree with love. If we resort to attacking and making little jabs (such as you described with creating terms) at each other, we cease to be discussing for edification in favor of arguing to be right.
 

Desdichado

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No thanks. I'd rather not have the prayers of someone as judgemental as you.
Hey, you accept my prayers and I'm probably the most judgmental person here. :p
 
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If a bunch of my enemies wanted to know about what God has forgiven me for...I would not feel any need to speak of that or put it in a context they might think they have power to judge me. When Trump met with the some leading Christians in our nation in a private meeting, they all came out testify to the faith in Christ they witnessed in him...even the ones that was not sure they could support him testified to the sincere faith they seen in him.....
The interviewer asking Trump questions wasn't asking "what God has forgiven [Trump] for" but instead, if Trump has ever asked forgiveness from God.

I can freely admit I've asked God for forgiveness thousands of times. In fact, I repent daily to my Saviour Jesus Christ. However, this does not mean I am obligated to tell the world my sins. They weren't asking him that at all.

As for the witnesses speculation that Trump has faith in Christ, it's just as valid as the speculators that say Trump doesn't have faith in Christ. Personally, I don't have enough information nor am I able to read Trump's heart to give my opinion. I just pointed out a fundamental paradox that Trump poses being a Christian: Christ is his personal Saviour, but he doesn't ask for forgiveness.

What is the point of having a Saviour if it isn't to atone for our sins? Or in other words, what is the point in claiming to be a vegan when you eat meat?
 
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jsr1221

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Yes, he did say it live on tv. He says he's never asked God for forgiveness. That he doesn't work that way; He said he'd rather "just try to do better the next time" rather than utilize the Saviour as our Saviour by asking for forgiveness. Doing better next time doesn't clean us, only the blood of Jesus Christ can.

Now, I'm not going to go as far as to judge Trump and say he isn't a Christian. His walk is between he and God. However, I do find a paradox: How does one accept Christ as their Saviour if you don't ask God for forgiveness? What is God saving us from if not for our sins?

<strong>[video=youtube;bp73zbYwaqw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bp73zbYwaqw[/video]
Once again. This was said in the past. Because of this he can't pray? Or because of this, his heart can't change over time?
 
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Once again. This was said in the past. Because of this he can't pray? Or because of this, his heart can't change over time?
And don't forget, the whole Democrat party booed God out of their platform, and took any mention of Him out of their literature and talking.

Uh, Hillary is Democrat, isn't she?
 
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Once again. This was said in the past. Because of this he can't pray? Or because of this, his heart can't change over time?
I'm not saying his heart hasn't or won't change. If I killed someone 2 minutes ago, it was technically "in the past". This video was taken during his presidential campaign... how old do you think it is?

And on the contrary, I hope he prays all the time; not just when someone is taking a picture of him.
 

jsr1221

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I'm not saying his heart hasn't or won't change. If I killed someone 2 minutes ago, it was technically "in the past". This video was taken during his presidential campaign... how old do you think it is?

And on the contrary, I hope he prays all the time; not just when someone is taking a picture of him.
So we are just going to assume that Trump staged the whole thing, and told the guy to take a picture? Got it. Especially with his back turned. And it really doesn't matter how old it is. Is there a time period for a person to have a changed heart? I'm not saying the guy has, but the pitchforks for every little thing have been ridiculous. People have shown their true colors and are the present day Pharisees.
 

p_rehbein

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Hyperbole. You're better than that, Bama.
Seriously Utah?

The purpose for his OP was pretty clear. To take a "shot" at any who do not support Trump. And, unless you are not familiar with the insulting remark

PUT THAT IN YOUR PIPE AND SMOKE IT

You should be able to see the truth of this. He is always going after non Trump supporters for bringing Christ/Christianity into the arguments, and, yet, he blatantly generates a Thread of Trump PRAYING?

I am good enough to see the truth. If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck........
 

p_rehbein

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Here is a Jesus juke............bet Trump and Pence didn't pray this prayer.....

Psalms
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1 .) Hear this, all ye people; give ear, all ye inhabitants of the world:
2 .) Both low and high, rich and poor, together.
3 .) My mouth shall speak of wisdom; and the meditation of my heart shall be of understanding.
4 .) I will incline mine ear to a parable: I will open my dark saying upon the harp.
5 .) Wherefore should I fear in the days of evil, when the iniquity of my heels shall compass me about?
6 .) They that trust in their wealth, and boast themselves in the multitude of their riches;
7 .) None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:
8 .) (For the redemption of their soul is precious, and it ceaseth for ever
9 .) That he should still live for ever, and not see corruption.
10 .) For he seeth that wise men die, likewise the fool and the brutish person perish, and leave their wealth to others.
11 .) Their inward thought is, that their houses shall continue for ever, and their dwelling places to all generations; they call their lands after their own names.
12 .) Nevertheless man being in honour abideth not: he is like the beasts that perish.
13 .) This their way is their folly: yet their posterity approve their sayings. Selah.
14 .) Like sheep they are laid in the grave; death shall feed on them; and the upright shall have dominion over them in the morning; and their beauty shall consume in the grave from their dwelling.
15 .) But God will redeem my soul from the power of the grave: for he shall receive me. Selah.
16 .) Be not thou afraid when one is made rich, when the glory of his house is increased;
17 .) For when he dieth he shall carry nothing away: his glory shall not descend after him.
18 .) Though while he lived he blessed his soul: and men will praise thee, when thou doest well to thyself.
19 .) He shall go to the generation of his fathers; they shall never see light.
20 .) Man that is in honour, and understandeth not, is like the beasts that perish.
 
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