Trump v Clinton who will win and why they will win

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Billyd said:
Hillary Clinton has been airing one of the most effective ads against Donald Trump to date. A group of young children are listening to Donald Trump spewing some of the most vile language possible. She ends it with "they are listening". I fully expect to see many more ads like this one in the future. As of today, I fully expect Hillary Clinton to win by a landslide, and also expect control of the Senate to go to the democrats. I pray that I am wrong.
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You are not wrong.

But if any of us act like a bunch of "stuffed shirt" Churchy-types, and worry about a person's language being "naughty", while turning a blind eye to what is really important, we are in a hell of a lot more trouble than just trying to elect someone who practices their language so it will make us think they are Holy.

The whole thing is recognizing the direction either person is going to take our country. Trump has already submitted, what?, 11 names of the Supreme Court Justices he will appoint when vacancies come. THAT is what intelligent people need to be looking at.
 
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Who do you NOT want in the White House more?
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To me, this question is backwards. It's not "who do we NOT want in the White House", it should be "who DO we want in the White House". If we are left with 2 terrible picks, we have to choose between keeping our right arm or our right leg. I'd rather not decide between "losing my right arm or my right leg" but instead choose to get a fully body massage (voting for the right candidate, no matter what). If enough people had this mindset, we get to keep all our limbs...
 
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The only vote "wasted" is a vote not cast.

If everyone felt "Trump is the lesser of two evils" and decided not to vote for either evil but a 3rd option, how is that a wasted vote? Because it splits the Republican party and allows for Hillary Clinton to win? It's still not wasted... I could argue, during the Republican primaries, that "a vote for Trump is a vote for Hillary because Trump has a relatively minuscule chance of beating her." No one can refute that statement...

If we always have the mindset of voting for the lesser of two evils, in this case Trump or Hillary, and limiting our options for the highest position in the entire world, then we will never be compelled to change this faulty system and our faulty thinking. Perhaps Hillary winning is the catalyst for Republicans (and some Democrats) to branch out and give Americans a more diverse selection to pick from.
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Well, it DOES mean you (yes, YOU) think what is happening to our country is fine, and you want more of it till we gasp our last dying breath as free Americans.

I honestly don't think we have many more "tomorrows" to look forward to if we do not act now, in THIS election. Things are happening too fast to wait and hope.
 
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Well this thread didn't help my anxiety any :/ Clinton did support the tpp at once. But I've heard that its dead either way the way its been going. Sorry I sound like a broken record but thats whats Im concerned about.
 
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why does it take a Netherlander to explain this to Americans?

((and thank you))

Voldemort said:
To me, this question is backwards. It's not "who do we NOT want in the White House", it should be "who DO we want in the White House". If we are left with 2 terrible picks, we have to choose between keeping our right arm or our right leg. I'd rather not decide between "losing my right arm or my right leg" but instead choose to get a fully body massage (voting for the right candidate, no matter what). If enough people had this mindset, we get to keep all our limbs...
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amen.

voting for someone i do not support, just because i support someone else less, is still using my vote to lie.

i've been saying this all along, and i still have more respect for someone who doesn't vote at all than someone who is voting for a candidate that represents 100 things they hate, for the sole reason that the other major candidate represents 101 things they hate.

but vote.
vote for who you really want to be president.
anything less, is making you a liar at the polling booth.
 
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The only vote "wasted" is a vote not cast.

If everyone felt "Trump is the lesser of two evils" and decided not to vote for either evil but a 3rd option, how is that a wasted vote? Because it splits the Republican party and allows for Hillary Clinton to win? It's still not wasted... I could argue, during the Republican primaries, that "a vote for Trump is a vote for Hillary because Trump has a relatively minuscule chance of beating her." No one can refute that statement...

If we always have the mindset of voting for the lesser of two evils, in this case Trump or Hillary, and limiting our options for the highest position in the entire world, then we will never be compelled to change this faulty system and our faulty thinking. Perhaps Hillary winning is the catalyst for Republicans (and some Democrats) to branch out and give Americans a more diverse selection to pick from.
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If Ronald Reagan himself were on the ballot it would STILL be the lesser of 2 evils. Jesus Christ is NOT on the ballot. So since the question is ALWAYS the lesser of 2 evils, and since it's beyond a farce to think a 3rd party candidate is going to win, the only legitimate choice is which is the lesser of 2 evils?

If you think Clinton is then God bless ya, vote for her, but don't deceive yourself into thinking someone other than trump or clinton is going to be the next President.
 
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Well, it DOES mean you (yes, YOU) think what is happening to our country is fine, and you want more of it till we gasp our last dying breath as free Americans.

I honestly don't think we have many more "tomorrows" to look forward to if we do not act now, in THIS election. Things are happening too fast to wait and hope.
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I definitely don't think what is going on is fine, but I wouldn't try to put neosporin and a teenage mutant ninja turtle bandaid over a gaping .45 magnum gunshot wound either (voting for Trump).

Our best hope when Hillary wins is that we learn from our mistakes and refuse to repeat them. We need to not let our emotions get the better of us which allows our judgment to be distorted into thinking Trump is our best hope for a better USA/world. We also need more than two choices to select from... If I wanted to buy a new pair of work gloves and go to a Home Depot, I would have about 5-10 different brands of gloves to select from. If I want to vote for the highest position in the entire world, the president of the United States... I get 2 choices...
 
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To me, this question is backwards. It's not "who do we NOT want in the White House", it should be "who DO we want in the White House". If we are left with 2 terrible picks, we have to choose between keeping our right arm or our right leg. I'd rather not decide between "losing my right arm or my right leg" but instead choose to get a fully body massage (voting for the right candidate, no matter what). If enough people had this mindset, we get to keep all our limbs...
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I happen to WANT Trump in the White House, now that my candidate didn't get nominated. I was talking to all the Trump haters. Do you ACTUALLY think Clinton is better?

With Trump, some bad things MAY happen.
With Clinton, we WILL keep marching like lemmings to our eventual death at the bottom of the cliff in front of us.
 
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Willie-T

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I definitely don't think what is going on is fine, but I wouldn't try to put neosporin and a teenage mutant ninja turtle bandaid over a gaping .45 magnum gunshot wound either (voting for Trump).

Our best hope when Hillary wins is that we learn from our mistakes and refuse to repeat them. We need to not let our emotions get the better of us which allows our judgment to be distorted into thinking Trump is our best hope for a better USA/world. We also need more than two choices to select from... If I wanted to buy a new pair of work gloves and go to a Home Depot, I would have about 5-10 different brands of gloves to select from. If I want to vote for the highest position in the entire world, the president of the United States... I get 2 choices...
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Sounds nice. But I honestly believe that opportunity will never again come. I think this time around is IT. Once she puts a couple more of her puppets on the Supreme Court, America is through. Obama wins what he has been working 8 years to bring into being.
 
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Willie-T said:

With Clinton, we WILL keep marching like lemmings to our eventual death at the bottom of the cliff in front of us.
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how can you think this is inevitable with her ((who is irrevocably corrupt, but actually has diplomatic experience)) but not also inevitable with him ((who has none, and by all accounts is even more of an accomplished liar than she is, and an irrevocably irresponsible demagogue)) ?

personally i think neither one is any good at all for the country. but in a balance, Trump seems to me to be the one that leads to more unavoidable doom.
which doesn't mean i'm even entertaining the thought of voting for Clinton.
 
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If Ronald Reagan himself were on the ballot it would STILL be the lesser of 2 evils. Jesus Christ is NOT on the ballot. So since the question is ALWAYS the lesser of 2 evils, and since it's beyond a farce to think a 3rd party candidate is going to win, the only legitimate choice is which is the lesser of 2 evils?

If you think Clinton is then God bless ya, vote for her, but don't deceive yourself into thinking someone other than trump or clinton is going to be the next President.
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When I say "the lesser of two evils", I don't mean sinless people. You're right, we are all sinners. The only sinless man to walk this earth was Jesus Christ our Saviour. Nevertheless, there are still men (and women) of God, that while still sinners, are not the level of evil Trump and Hillary are.

I agree, at this point, it is a farce to think a 3rd party at this point will come out victorious over Hillary and Trump just as it was a farce to think Trump would make for the best nominee to run against Hillary.

The major question is, what can we learn from the 2016 elections so we don't repeat it in 2020?
 
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Willie-T said:
America is through.
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i love you Willie, and i doubt i have to remind you at all -- but

there will be no America in heaven.

it doesn't matter who is president: we're through already. God's purpose is that at that last time, all nations will be deceived by Satan, and will make war against the Lamb. America is not an exception. we may as well be the rule, honestly, considering our national vanity.
 
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I happen to WANT Trump in the White House, now that my candidate didn't get nominated. I was talking to all the Trump haters. Do you ACTUALLY think Clinton is better?

With Trump, some bad things MAY happen.
With Clinton, we WILL keep marching like lemmings to our eventual death at the bottom of the cliff in front of us.
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I don't think Hillary is better, but where we disagree is that I'm against voting for someone I don't think is fit for the job because the opposing candidate is worse. Why do that when I have an alternative vote that better represents what I want?

If your answer is, "because your 3rd party candidate doesn't stand a chance"... that didn't stop you or anyone else who voted for Trump knowing more than likely Hillary will be the Democratic nominee...
 
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Trump is going to clean Hillary's clock in the general election.
 
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Willie-T said:
Convince you to live without mentioning the cancer you already have?
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if i've already got cancer, being given a choice between also having a heart attack or also having a stroke is not really going to 'save the day' for me, medically.

a Trump presidency is not going to make God decide to exempt America from judgement. it's not going to 'make us great' in His eyes. not any more than a Clinton presidency.
and all this about supreme court nominees -- even apart from spirituality, we're looking at a choice between two essentially liberal candidates, who both support abortion, gay rights, and corporate personhood. we're not voting on any of these 'hot-button' issues this time -- God has made it so that we can't use that excuse anymore. it's just clear now that we're voting for fear, for hate, and for secular partisanship.

so . . what? you think Trump is going to appoint John MacArthur to the SCOTUS just because Trump is on the red ticket? maybe. but i doubt it.
 
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When I say "the lesser of two evils", I don't mean sinless people. You're right, we are all sinners. The only sinless man to walk this earth was Jesus Christ our Saviour. Nevertheless, there are still men (and women) of God, that while still sinners, are not the level of evil Trump and Hillary are.

I agree, at this point, it is a farce to think a 3rd party at this point will come out victorious over Hillary and Trump just as it was a farce to think Trump would make for the best nominee to run against Hillary.

The major question is, what can we learn from the 2016 elections so we don't repeat it in 2020?
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Your dream people are not on the ballot. And, in politics, they don't exist.

And, in 2020, we may not see anything nearly as good as we see now.
 
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Hillary Clinton has been airing one of the most effective ads against Donald Trump to date. A group of young children are listening to Donald Trump spewing some of the most vile language possible. She ends it with "they are listening". I fully expect to see many more ads like this one in the future. As of today, I fully expect Hillary Clinton to win by a landslide, and also expect control of the Senate to go to the democrats. I pray that I am wrong.
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Most of us have said things in the past that we regret saying. Hillary has said a lot of outlandish stuff also that will be brought to light. Trump is going to be a pit bull in the weeks leading up to the election. She is going to get trampled upon.
 
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