Yoga cures Homosexuality?

[Viligant_Warrior]

what is trying to be grasped here is that "yoga" is synonymous to stretching and exercise and controlled breathing, just as Kleenex is to facial tissue, there are no demonic worshipping going on...

Maybe not when you do it. Certainly not if I were to do it, which I won't.

What about the people who do not know Jesus Christ, when their instructor starts talking about "the inner self" and "freeing your inner being" through yoga? What then?

The Christian may not be susceptible to such messages, though even the weak Christian may be. The lost are definitely in danger of being influenced by a false religion. They at least need to be aware of what they are opening themselves up to in practicing the "stretching, exercise, and controlled breathing" concepts of an eastern religion that is counter to everything Jesus teaches about self-reliance and inner strength.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

What about the people who do not know Jesus Christ, when their instructor starts talking about "the inner self" and "freeing your inner being" through yoga? What then?

What about people who have a Christian yoga instructor?

 

[Billyd]

To answer the OP, I doubt that it has cured a significant number of Homosexuals.

As far as should a Christian practice it, I can only share a witness. My sister has been practicing Yoga since the mid sixties. Every afternoon she will excuse herself from what ever is going on, go to her study, sit on her floor mat, enter a pose, clear her mind of the outside world, and pray for 30 minutes to and hour. She has been an active Christian for longer than she has practiced Yoga. Her life style reflects her commitment to Christ.

As far as Billy doing a Yoga pose (my sister has tried to teach me a simple one), it would take two Chiropractor's a week to untangle him and undo the pain.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

By now Pw from where I am sitting this looks more like you are arguing about yoga more for the "sake" of defending your aunt who is a yoga teacher, and not really "hearing" what GIS is saying about the nuances of sorcery attached to it.

I don't feel the need to defend my aunt -- she can do that herself.
I was just using her as an example -- I'm sure she's not the only Christian yoga instructor.
Another CC member said she practices yoga -- perhaps we could use her as an example (same outcome).

I guess I'm not interested in discussing what goes on in other people's minds when they think "yoga", when they're not tolerant of any view but their own.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with a Christian using yoga poses for the purpose of physical exercise -- especially when the individual has a Christian instructor, or does the exercises on their own accord.

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"test everything" (1 Thess 5:21): Paul is referring to testing 'claims of prophecy'. We're not discussing people who are learning the philosophical aspects of yoga -- we're discussing Christians, who ignore any Hindu philosophical views and see (understand) yoga as a form of physical exercise. This concept is not rocket-science; perhaps if GIS was willing to display that he accepts the notion that this concept may be beneficial for some Christians and not for other Christians -- then I may be more inclined to entertain his debate. I believe we already have enough evidence in this thread, to confirm this notion.

I "get" that he thinks the philosophy/religion and the exercise cannot be separated.
Does he "get" that it can, for some?

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Does he "get" that it can, for some?

It's the same outcome for me, as with the "tongues" debate;

Billy Christian claims he has studied the scriptures and can speak tongues,
Bobby Christian claims he has studied the scriptures and believes the tongues is non-existent.

Billy's view is tolerant of Bobby's view, not accepted, but tolerated.
Bobby's view is not tolerant of Billy's view, thus he rejects Billy and his view.

The division which is created as a result of Billy's intolerant view is much more detrimental to fellowship, than if Billy were to become tolerant of Bobby's view.

Again, I say, what is Jesus' view?

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

What about people who have a Christian yoga instructor?

 

[GodIsSalvation]

It's not about what anyone thinks, it's about what it is. The word yoga means to yoke! So to what are they trying to yoke you to with this pagan practice? It's not much to wonder it, it is to yoke you to the abominations of India. There is no such thing as Christian yoga. Christianity and yoga are opposed to each other. Yoga, and many New Age practices are like the way of Balaam, by guile making the children of Israel to unwittingly yoke themselves to the baal of Peor.

Be far from it and may Jesus break the yoke of the hindu from you and your loved ones.

 

[jsr1221]

Isn't Yoga, meditating, clearing your mind, all that stuff... The same as having quiet time, which is what the Bible instructs us to make time for? People, if y'all are going to argue about something, at least make it interesting.

 

[blue_ladybug]

Sorry to burst the bubble, but yoga does NOT "cure" homosexuality.. That's a load of bull.. :/

 

[GodIsSalvation]

Isn't Yoga, meditating, clearing your mind, all that stuff... The same as having quiet time, which is what the Bible instructs us to make time for? People, if y'all are going to argue about something, at least make it interesting.

Yoga literally means to yoke that is it's definition. It is a dark spiritual practice, it's origin and purpose is solely for hinduism. Even how they pervert the concept of meditation shows it is a machination of evil. Meditation means to think, ponder, contemplate. Yet what do those yoked to the eastern demonic religions teach as meditation? They teach you to clear your mind, try to have no thoughts at all. That is how you brainwash someone! That is not meditation. That's the direct opposite of meditation, which is to be constantly in thought.

 

[blue_ladybug]

To answer the OP, I doubt that it has cured a significant number of Homosexuals.

As far as should a Christian practice it, I can only share a witness. My sister has been practicing Yoga since the mid sixties. Every afternoon she will excuse herself from what ever is going on, go to her study, sit on her floor mat, enter a pose, clear her mind of the outside world, and pray for 30 minutes to and hour. She has been an active Christian for longer than she has practiced Yoga. Her life style reflects her commitment to Christ.

As far as Billy doing a Yoga pose (my sister has tried to teach me a simple one), it would take two Chiropractor's a week to untangle him and undo the pain.

Billy and Blue would BOTH be stuck in poses.. lol.. And I'd need more than a chiropractor..

 

[jsr1221]

Yoga literally means to yoke that is it's definition. It is a dark spiritual practice, it's origin and purpose is solely for hinduism. Even how they pervert the concept of meditation shows it is a machination of evil. Meditation means to think, ponder, contemplate. Yet what do those yoked to the eastern demonic religions teach as meditation? They teach you to clear your mind, try to have no thoughts at all. That is how you brainwash someone! That is not meditation. That's the direct opposite of meditation, which is to be constantly in thought.

I don't do yoga, but I know the ones that do, seem to be pretty healthy from it. God uses a purpose for everything, so I don't know what kind of purpose He would serve for yoga if it's so evil. And I try to clear my mind when I read the Bible. The Bible teaches that, so how is quiet time brainwashing?

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Yoga was invented as an exercise to facilitate the attainment of salvation within the false religious system of Hinduism. Every form of it was designed toward achieving union with Brahman and gaining "enlightenment."

In its classical sense, yoga is a method by which people attempt to yoke their spirit to Brahman and gain enlightenment through physical exercises and meditation. Yoga asana (positions) are designed to enhance the flow of energy from these chakra points in order to establish contact with "Supreme Spirit." The meaning of the word yoga is "union, yoking (with the Supreme Spirit)."

Those who argue that yoga is simply good exercise do not understand or accept the history of it. For example, Subhas Tiwari (professor of yoga philosophy and meditation at the Hindu University of America) states Yoga and Hinduism are one and the same.

As the 'Kingdom of the Occult' states:

"When one meditates or practices yoga, the mind is said to be emptied to allow the person to become one with the universe, but this is where the person opens the mind and heart to false spirits that await every opportunity to invade a soul that is normally guarded.

Noted German authority on the occult Dr. Kurt Koch states the following about the occultic side of yoga: 'This technique of relaxation and these emptying exercises, so highly spoken of by the yogis lead to the inflowing of another spirit-other spirits. The students of yoga did not notice it.'

Similarly, Dr. Koch, who has compiled volumes of case studies on people involved in the occult, wrote the following about [eastern] meditation: 'My counseling work in East and West has given me insight into the nature and practice of meditation... I am totally opposed to meditation in the Far Eastern pattern... We cannot empty ourselves by means of techniques and postures-then other powers flood in.'

It is difficult to find any New Ager who does not practice either meditation or yoga, but Dr. Koch's warning is clear: if one empties the mind, it becomes an open vessel for other spirits.

Rather than experiment with the occult and New Age practices, where the person unwittingly opens the soul to demons, it is much better to close the door and refuse participation."

Christian mediation, on the other hand, which scripture espouses is completely different. One need not engage in ancient Hindu rituals design to open themselves to the demonic realm to learn stretching, exercise, and mediate in a scriptural manner and, in fact, scripture warns against such pagan and occultic practices.

I do hope you find this interesting jsr .

Isn't Yoga, meditating, clearing your mind, all that stuff... The same as having quiet time, which is what the Bible instructs us to make time for? People, if y'all are going to argue about something, at least make it interesting.

 

[jsr1221]

Yoga was invented as an exercise to facilitate the attainment of salvation within the false religious system of Hinduism. Every form of it was designed toward achieving union with Brahman and gaining "enlightenment."

In its classical sense, yoga is a method by which people attempt to yoke their spirit to Brahman and gain enlightenment through physical exercises and meditation. Yoga asana (positions) are designed to enhance the flow of energy from these chakra points in order to establish contact with "Supreme Spirit." The meaning of the word yoga is "union, yoking (with the Supreme Spirit)."

Those who argue that yoga is simply good exercise do not understand or accept the history of it. For example, Subhas Tiwari (professor of yoga philosophy and meditation at the Hindu University of America) states Yoga and Hinduism are one and the same.

As the 'Kingdom of the Occult' states:

"When one meditates or practices yoga, the mind is said to be emptied to allow the person to become one with the universe, but this is where the person opens the mind and heart to false spirits that await every opportunity to invade a soul that is normally guarded.

Noted German authority on the occult Dr. Kurt Koch states the following about the occultic side of yoga: 'This technique of relaxation and these emptying exercises, so highly spoken of by the yogis lead to the inflowing of another spirit-other spirits. The students of yoga did not notice it.'

Similarly, Dr. Koch, who has compiled volumes of case studies on people involved in the occult, wrote the following about [eastern] meditation: 'My counseling work in East and West has given me insight into the nature and practice of meditation... I am totally opposed to meditation in the Far Eastern pattern... We cannot empty ourselves by means of techniques and postures-then other powers flood in.'

It is difficult to find any New Ager who does not practice either meditation or yoga, but Dr. Koch's warning is clear: if one empties the mind, it becomes an open vessel for other spirits.

Rather than experiment with the occult and New Age practices, where the person unwittingly opens the soul to demons, it is much better to close the door and refuse participation."

Christian mediation, on the other hand, which scripture espouses is completely different. One need not engage in ancient Hindu rituals design to open themselves to the demonic realm to learn stretching, exercise, and mediate in a scriptural manner and, in fact, scripture warns against such pagan and occultic practices.

I do hope you find this interesting jsr .

I appreciate all that. I do have to disagree, though. I don't do yoga, but it is basically stretching and getting to a quiet state. Well, when we read the Bible, we're supposed to be in a quiet state. So, how does the Bible oppose to emptying your mind, when we're suppose to let the Holy Spirit get rid of all the junk filling our minds so we can better understand His Word? Doesn't make much sense to me.

 

[didymos]

Are we not continually warned about false signs and lying wonders? I must say its sad that a "Christian" would post this as if it would benefit others or really is a solution in some way to this issue...

That's why christians are called to 'test everything,'
and that's what I am: a christian, not a 'christian.'

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

You disagree with both the scholarly Christian consensus and the scholarly Hindu consensus regarding yoga while simultaneously demonstrating that you're presently unable to differentiate between the epistemology of yoga and that of scripture by making false assertions that were just refuted in the very post you replied to... lol.

Well, umm... ok just flail around and do whatever feels good to you at present like most everyone else while rationalizing it I suppose. Good luck with that.

I appreciate all that. I do have to disagree, though. I don't do yoga, but it is basically stretching and getting to a quiet state. Well, when we read the Bible, we're supposed to be in a quiet state. So, how does the Bible oppose to emptying your mind, when we're suppose to let the Holy Spirit get rid of all the junk filling our minds so we can better understand His Word? Doesn't make much sense to me.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

I've got my eye on you house music lover.

lolol... hehe

That's why christians are called to 'test everything,'
and that's what I am: a christian, not a 'christian.'

 

[BarlyGurl]

>>>>I "get" that he thinks the philosophy/religion and the exercise cannot be separated.
Does he "get" that it can, for some?<<<<

Well I do think he did indicate that... previously.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

So is stretching and aerobic weight training. While I don't believe a solid Christian can be unduly influenced by the origins of Yoga, I don't think we need to entertain anything that came out of a man-made religion when it might, in a weak moment, hinder us in our walk with Christ.

Haha, well by Yoga I did mean the stretching thing, yeah

I dont consider yoga to be a way to worship demons, tbh. I actually see it as more along the lines of demons told hindus to stretch, and that would guide them to salvation, and so now thats what they do. But, I mean its /still/ only stretching

Like I said, its all in the name, here in the US, Im sure most people only see it as an exercise

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

Maybe not when you do it. Certainly not if I were to do it, which I won't.

What about the people who do not know Jesus Christ, when their instructor starts talking about "the inner self" and "freeing your inner being" through yoga? What then?

The Christian may not be susceptible to such messages, though even the weak Christian may be. The lost are definitely in danger of being influenced by a false religion. They at least need to be aware of what they are opening themselves up to in practicing the "stretching, exercise, and controlled breathing" concepts of an eastern religion that is counter to everything Jesus teaches about self-reliance and inner strength.

I can see what you are saying here, someone whos not with Christ being led away into a false path from feeling good from a practice that false path preaches.
But, from what little I know, I dont /think/ yoga instructors actually press people to take up some religion, or even talk about anything like it, dont they just do stretching?