Modesty, Modesty... Modesty!
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How about the next time you see a woman dressed in revealing clothing, you tell her how dearly loved she is by a majestic and glorious Heavenly Father, that all of heaven went bankrupt so that a King could die in order to save her and set her free, that her worth is found in the price that was paid for her, and God's one and only Son's blood was shed to illustrate how much she means to Him.
Tell her she can stop looking for love in the eyes of those boys, that Love is here now, alive and active and ready to consume her. Tell her that her body is fearfully and wonderfully made, that every crevice, every detail and every cell of her skin was thoughtfully considered and dreamt about before she was even born. Tell her that she is beautiful and made in the image of a breath-taking God. Tell her she can stop trying, she can stop striving, tell her she can stop demanding from a world that has already fed her so many lies and that her body has wonderful and mysterious terrain, that can be a wonderful gift and surprise for a good and godly man one day.
We are so focused on telling people what they're not or what they should be instead of who they are. And who they are are image bearers of God, dearly loved by our Him, our ultimate Creator. These are real people we're talking about, with real pain and real lives, and you stand there being a gateway and representative of Jesus Christ and all you have to offer is handfuls of judgement and accusations? You have absolutely avoided the very thing you were called to be: love. God is love and we are made in His image, this crud is warring against the very model Jesus came to earth to model to us.
What mercilessness. Your heart isn't right, Calmador, if these words you have been spewing truly come from such a place. I hope you realise WHO YOU ARE in Christ and come to the right understanding of the depth of love and worth you have in Him, because if you can go around looking at your sisters in such a way, then trust me, you haven't come to the full realisation yourself.
YOU WANT CHANGE!? Be the change, be the momentum that rocks this world, BE LOVE, and lovingly advocate for modesty.
Because these women are in a gruelling war in their minds, and many are tired and they're losing, if not, have already been slayed over. Do you know that 80-90% of prostitutes were once molested and rape? From those experiences, they have built their identities, and from their identities they act and dress and BE in this image. Maybe those women dress that way because they were told they were worthless, maybe they dress that way because someone molested them and they have seen themselves as a sex object since. Maybe that girl was avoided of attention and affection and turned to boys to have some love and control in her messed up world. You don't know their pain.
Oh, if only someone sat me down and sung of God's love for me before I walked with the world. If only someone told me my worth in Christ before the years of viewing myself as a disposable sex object, how I would been saved from such heart ache and years of inner torment. To think, many women are walking in those shoes now, with revealing clothes, starving of love, starving to have their worth defined for them.
Calmador. I challenge you. GO FORTH AND LOVE. Exchange your anger for love, because at the end of the day, love is going to conquer the works of the enemy that has destroyed such beauty for so many centuries. Go and exercise the same mercy that has been shown you, go and reveal who Jesus, this wonderful Saviour who is in you. Many, many women in churches haven't come to the full realisation of their worth. It is a shame, but sometimes we see the places that lack so we can be the ones to fill that spot and bring about change.
Tell her she can stop looking for love in the eyes of those boys, that Love is here now, alive and active and ready to consume her. Tell her that her body is fearfully and wonderfully made, that every crevice, every detail and every cell of her skin was thoughtfully considered and dreamt about before she was even born. Tell her that she is beautiful and made in the image of a breath-taking God. Tell her she can stop trying, she can stop striving, tell her she can stop demanding from a world that has already fed her so many lies and that her body has wonderful and mysterious terrain, that can be a wonderful gift and surprise for a good and godly man one day.
We are so focused on telling people what they're not or what they should be instead of who they are. And who they are are image bearers of God, dearly loved by our Him, our ultimate Creator. These are real people we're talking about, with real pain and real lives, and you stand there being a gateway and representative of Jesus Christ and all you have to offer is handfuls of judgement and accusations? You have absolutely avoided the very thing you were called to be: love. God is love and we are made in His image, this crud is warring against the very model Jesus came to earth to model to us.
What mercilessness. Your heart isn't right, Calmador, if these words you have been spewing truly come from such a place. I hope you realise WHO YOU ARE in Christ and come to the right understanding of the depth of love and worth you have in Him, because if you can go around looking at your sisters in such a way, then trust me, you haven't come to the full realisation yourself.
YOU WANT CHANGE!? Be the change, be the momentum that rocks this world, BE LOVE, and lovingly advocate for modesty.
Because these women are in a gruelling war in their minds, and many are tired and they're losing, if not, have already been slayed over. Do you know that 80-90% of prostitutes were once molested and rape? From those experiences, they have built their identities, and from their identities they act and dress and BE in this image. Maybe those women dress that way because they were told they were worthless, maybe they dress that way because someone molested them and they have seen themselves as a sex object since. Maybe that girl was avoided of attention and affection and turned to boys to have some love and control in her messed up world. You don't know their pain.
Oh, if only someone sat me down and sung of God's love for me before I walked with the world. If only someone told me my worth in Christ before the years of viewing myself as a disposable sex object, how I would been saved from such heart ache and years of inner torment. To think, many women are walking in those shoes now, with revealing clothes, starving of love, starving to have their worth defined for them.
Calmador. I challenge you. GO FORTH AND LOVE. Exchange your anger for love, because at the end of the day, love is going to conquer the works of the enemy that has destroyed such beauty for so many centuries. Go and exercise the same mercy that has been shown you, go and reveal who Jesus, this wonderful Saviour who is in you. Many, many women in churches haven't come to the full realisation of their worth. It is a shame, but sometimes we see the places that lack so we can be the ones to fill that spot and bring about change.
I think a discussion about immodesty must also include the understanding that what's considered "immodest" is extremely subjective.
Calmador, what would you be doing in cultures/time periods where a woman showing her ankles (1800's) and/or flicker of her wrists (Memoirs of a Geisha) were considered immodest and an erotic show of skin?
I'm certainly not condoning the majority of fashions today. But, I just think it's very important to keep things in perspective--that our own choices and self-control, not condemning others, are our best way to fight against what we feel is immodest.
Calmador, what would you be doing in cultures/time periods where a woman showing her ankles (1800's) and/or flicker of her wrists (Memoirs of a Geisha) were considered immodest and an erotic show of skin?
I'm certainly not condoning the majority of fashions today. But, I just think it's very important to keep things in perspective--that our own choices and self-control, not condemning others, are our best way to fight against what we feel is immodest.
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For 35 years I felt invisible. .that there was no worth to my life but to be tortured and be abused. I felt like I was being punished for some crime that would never be paid for. When lord will I be lovable?? What can I do to be acceptable and worthy of love?. Then God revealed himself to me in such a personal way that I knew that the truth was I am loved..now I walk in that love..He changed my life.
I have kept this post and will put it on my fridge to remind me how awesome my God is and how much I am loved. Thank you for your love in posting these beautiful and wise words.. bless you in Jesus name.
I have kept this post and will put it on my fridge to remind me how awesome my God is and how much I am loved. Thank you for your love in posting these beautiful and wise words.. bless you in Jesus name.
Oh, that was trashy? I thought it was OH YEAH smokin'. If I wasn't so insecure, I'd probably say, "I normally don't talk to strangers, but when I do, I'd like to tell them how they've made my day. Thanks for making me smile."
I totally agree with you there. I don't ever wanna marry a trashy woman. If I found out that she liked to wear that sorta stuff to get more men to look at her because my attention wasn't enough, I totally made a mistake marrying her and I'd have to call myself stupid for not seeing that I wasn't enough for her. I wouldn't mind if she liked to wear that sorta stuff. I'm sinful, I know. I gotta fetish going on. Or maybe you and I differ in what a trashy woman is. See, this is how I see a trashy woman.
NKJV | Pr 30:20 This is the way of an adulterous woman: She eats and wipes her mouth, And says, “I have done no wickedness.”
To me, it's not so much what she wears but how she acts. She can be the most "modestly" dressed woman in the world, but if she's the type that isn't satisfied with one man's attention, and loves to be "loved" by other men, then she's trashy. And when i say "loved", I mean it in a euphemistic sense that she just likes sleeping around. If she did that to me, she would make me feel like trash. And for that, that's what makes her trashy.
Well if she went to Church with a bikini on, I'd definitely have a problem. But I'm sure two-piece swimsuits are out there and there are plenty of woman who know when to wear them. I live in California, and I don't know if it's a California thing. But man, those women are gorgeous!! I'm sure foreign women are just as gorgeous too. Do I feel like that sometimes? Yeah. I only feel like that when I checked out this billboard girl on the freeway and I was like... Ooo la la. Or when I was watching a show called, "Friends", and I was like, "Jennifer Aniston is HAWT". Most of the time though, it isn't so much that I'm mad at the billboard girl or the Jennifer Aniston. It's more like I forgot who my first love was, and I should've kept Christ in mind before I let my selfish desires take over. But I'm getting better with time. The more I dive deeper into the chracter of God, I find that these things don't bother me as much. God is beautiful beyond description, much better than the billboard girl and Jennifer Aniston. My mind knows it quite well. It's my heart that has an issue. The distance between my mind and heart is pretty darn far. But I'm getting there. Hey, maybe you can take this journey with me too. Cuz I'm tired of looking at women like objects. I wanna see them for the beauty that God made them to be.
I totally agree with you there. I don't ever wanna marry a trashy woman. If I found out that she liked to wear that sorta stuff to get more men to look at her because my attention wasn't enough, I totally made a mistake marrying her and I'd have to call myself stupid for not seeing that I wasn't enough for her. I wouldn't mind if she liked to wear that sorta stuff. I'm sinful, I know. I gotta fetish going on. Or maybe you and I differ in what a trashy woman is. See, this is how I see a trashy woman.
NKJV | Pr 30:20 This is the way of an adulterous woman: She eats and wipes her mouth, And says, “I have done no wickedness.”
To me, it's not so much what she wears but how she acts. She can be the most "modestly" dressed woman in the world, but if she's the type that isn't satisfied with one man's attention, and loves to be "loved" by other men, then she's trashy. And when i say "loved", I mean it in a euphemistic sense that she just likes sleeping around. If she did that to me, she would make me feel like trash. And for that, that's what makes her trashy.
Well if she went to Church with a bikini on, I'd definitely have a problem. But I'm sure two-piece swimsuits are out there and there are plenty of woman who know when to wear them. I live in California, and I don't know if it's a California thing. But man, those women are gorgeous!! I'm sure foreign women are just as gorgeous too. Do I feel like that sometimes? Yeah. I only feel like that when I checked out this billboard girl on the freeway and I was like... Ooo la la. Or when I was watching a show called, "Friends", and I was like, "Jennifer Aniston is HAWT". Most of the time though, it isn't so much that I'm mad at the billboard girl or the Jennifer Aniston. It's more like I forgot who my first love was, and I should've kept Christ in mind before I let my selfish desires take over. But I'm getting better with time. The more I dive deeper into the chracter of God, I find that these things don't bother me as much. God is beautiful beyond description, much better than the billboard girl and Jennifer Aniston. My mind knows it quite well. It's my heart that has an issue. The distance between my mind and heart is pretty darn far. But I'm getting there. Hey, maybe you can take this journey with me too. Cuz I'm tired of looking at women like objects. I wanna see them for the beauty that God made them to be.
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Reading through this thread, a few thoughts come to mind...
1. A lot has been said about scantily clad women. When are we going to address the problem of men mowing the yard with no shirt and barely any shorts on? I'm not eager to discuss it, just thought it was a bit odd all the focus on women and nobody had mentioned that yet...
2. Minnie Pearl was talking one time about her Uncle Nabob liked to go up to the fashionable part of the city and "look at all the dresses that those high society women almost had on." She described them as chicken-wire dresses - they protected the property without obstructing the view.
3. Someone mentioned parents raising children to be modest. Remind your children that they get what they advertise for. If they dress immodestly they will attract the people who are looking for immodest partners. Just a thought.
1. A lot has been said about scantily clad women. When are we going to address the problem of men mowing the yard with no shirt and barely any shorts on? I'm not eager to discuss it, just thought it was a bit odd all the focus on women and nobody had mentioned that yet...
2. Minnie Pearl was talking one time about her Uncle Nabob liked to go up to the fashionable part of the city and "look at all the dresses that those high society women almost had on." She described them as chicken-wire dresses - they protected the property without obstructing the view.
3. Someone mentioned parents raising children to be modest. Remind your children that they get what they advertise for. If they dress immodestly they will attract the people who are looking for immodest partners. Just a thought.
T
Of course I have issues with you. You play the same old tune every time and I won't dance to it! There's no spirit of love and humility from you, no compassion in trying to understand the perspective of those dangerous womens, yo. I think we're all on the same page wanting everyone to dress more modestly and to respect each other and themselves but you're going the wrong way about it, bud.
T
Holy Moses, that was beautiful, my love! Yes, we absolutely need to show God's love to people, point out His truth to them about their worth, purpose and the hope found in Christ. I think there's an important challenge there for all of us. Has anyone ever told you that you have a way with words? Because you totally do. Thanks so much for sharing with us.
And Calmador, you infuriate me like few people do, but I do want the best for you and for you to have a change of heart towards women. Bless you.
And Calmador, you infuriate me like few people do, but I do want the best for you and for you to have a change of heart towards women. Bless you.
Well said.
Especially the part about telling a woman who she is not who she's not.
From my experience many women know who they are not and that's the problem. They dance to the tune of the world because no one told them their identity in Christ. All they know is who they are isn't enough, so they go the way of the world. We don't pick a fight with the one we are in front of, but the one who is trying to control them with fear.
Any other pattern is the fruit of religion. Which exalts ourselves because I have "self-control" so everyone else should. I believe Scripture should be read to tell us who we are. Not what we need to be. Many people know who they need to be, but few know who they are. And I believe those that do change the world.
C.
Especially the part about telling a woman who she is not who she's not.
From my experience many women know who they are not and that's the problem. They dance to the tune of the world because no one told them their identity in Christ. All they know is who they are isn't enough, so they go the way of the world. We don't pick a fight with the one we are in front of, but the one who is trying to control them with fear.
Any other pattern is the fruit of religion. Which exalts ourselves because I have "self-control" so everyone else should. I believe Scripture should be read to tell us who we are. Not what we need to be. Many people know who they need to be, but few know who they are. And I believe those that do change the world.
C.
