Modesty, Modesty... Modesty!

[Calmador]

I really think Tintin needs to cover up his beard. Personally, his rather deliciously attractive beard has been a major stumbling block in my walk with God and has caused me to think lustfully of such facial hair. MODESTY IS THE KEY. I'm so sick of seeing that beard uncovered. It makes me angry knowing a man of God is walking about, revealing his beard in inappropriate ways. In fact, I'm pointing my finger at my computer screen right now and shaking it about in an angry fashion.

MEN, COVER UP YOUR BEARDS. WE DON'T NEED TO SEE IT.

It erks me that there are a lot of women with a lack of character... I wasn't even thinking about women being a stumbling block. Your jumping to conclusions.

That's ridiculous. Women wearing bikinis... practically walking around naked is immodest. Short shorts that are so short that barely just cover your butt is immodest. Leggings worn as pants are immodest.

It erks me that there are a lot of women with a lack of character... I wasn't even thinking about women being a stumbling block. Your jumping to conclusions.

 

[Calmador]

Does this mean we bearded men have to cover our manliness with a beard covering, as women have to cover their heads when in the presence of God?

I'm not a bible scholar but as ridiculous as it may sound. YES.

IF women had some kind of lust problem with beards. haha Then yes men would have to shave em off.

Romans 14:21 It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother or sister to fall.

Its just about being conscious and considerate about other brothers and sisters.


I'M NOT SAYING INDIVIDUALS SHOULDN'T STILL TAKE RESPONSIBLITY FOR THEMESELVES. Each individual should avoid sin. However, its clear in the scriptures that brothers and sisters should help each other to not help cause sin.

 

[tourist]

I'm not a bible scholar but as ridiculous as it may sound. YES.

IF women had some kind of lust problem with beards. haha Then yes men would have to shave em off.

Romans 14:21 It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother or sister to fall.

Its just about being conscious and considerate about other brothers and sisters.


I'M NOT SAYING INDIVIDUALS SHOULDN'T STILL TAKE RESPONSIBLITY FOR THEMESELVES. Each individual should avoid sin. However, its clear in the scriptures that brothers and sisters should help each other to not help cause sin.

I will shave my moustache off today. Thanks for the heads-up.

 

[Calmador]

I understand where you're coming from with your original post and everything, but I would say that as men, our focus needs to be on addressing the problems on our side of things related to this issue. To be first to speak to the women implies, whether intentionally or not, that we're doing everything right and that the women need to shape up when in reality that's not the case. So for us as men, let's focus on how we can better keep our minds, hearts, and eyes in check. That's something that I fail at way more often than I should, and I need to be better as I think we all need to be. You're not wrong that there are women out there, Christian women even, who don't dress in a way that honors themselves or their brothers, but that doesn't mean we are incapable of still acting and thinking in a way that is honoring to them, and that's where our focus needs to be. And then I would simply encourage the women to have loving conversations where they need to be had when they see a sister not dressed in an honorable way. That way there is a lot less cross-gender finger-pointing and both sides are pursuing righteousness.

I would also caution against immediately judging all of a woman's character based on her dress because that judgment probably won't be entirely accurate. You know, don't judge a book by its cover, or lack thereof

Maybe your right. I'm not sure. I'd have to think about everything you've said more.

 

[biscuit]

You know, just to share my thought right after reading your post is that you might have some issues that you need to deal with.

Too strong of words you are using, especially getting so angry???
I don't think one could and should get angry at women, even if they are wearing trashy outfits.
What about prostitutes walking in the dimly lighted street corner? Do you get angry at them?
What about near-naked girls in porn movies? Do you get angry at them?

Whether they wear trashy outfit or modest outfit, first and foremost, they are God's beloved daughters and you and I should consider that fact solemnly.

Really, it's more of a concern that you get so angry - there's usually an underlying reason why you get so angry for certain things and you should look into that; I am speaking from my personal experience.

God bless.

Angry? I call it "tough love."

 

[Nautilus]

My point is just character. If I notice a woman dressed immodestly then I think she's showing herself to be lacking in character. That's sad.

You ever hear dont judge a book by its cover? Maybe no one has ever told the girl about modesty, a lot of churches don't discuss it and the ones that do take it to extremes. But if you are looking for a girl who wears the bathing suit in oncefallens photo, well prepare to be single for a while.

 

[Calmador]

Anger is the correct response towards sin...

...if you never sin yourself.

You can try to keep that as a rule of practice--getting angry at every instance of sin you see (or maybe just the sins that really bug you)--but then you would have to be okay with people responding harshly to you every time you sin.

I think grace is a much better and more effective response to sin than anger as far as we as humans go. (The only exception here could be matters of injustice.)

I don't think you have to be sinless to be angry towards sin. Its almost common-sense.

I wouldn't mind getting punished or treated harshley for my sins... as long as God doesn't send me to hell. But, hey if I murderer someone, I may be to the first one to tell the authorities. What's fair is fair.

There's a correct way to go about anger. I've dealt with anger for years and I'm confident that anger towards sin is Godly. There would be something wrong with you if you weren't angry at a rapist who smiled at you and raped more... beat a woman up... smiled at you again and kept on going and kept on going and kept on going... WHILE YOU BUDDY would be giving him a smile back... saying "I love you", "I'm giving you grace" and kept on going saying "I love you", "I'm giving you grace"

Think about it. There's a reason why God sends people to hell. He's a God of love alright but he's not a push-over.

 

[tourist]

You ever hear dont judge a book by its cover? Maybe no one has ever told the girl about modesty, a lot of churches don't discuss it and the ones that do take it to extremes. But if you are looking for a girl who wears the bathing suit in oncefallens photo, well prepare to be single for a while.

I am going with your flow and I agree with you. It might be a good day to go to the beach and check out the flora and fauna that was washed ashore. I am not to modest to admit that I will do the responsible thing and protect myself by wearing a little sunscreen.

 

[Calmador]

Calmador, I'm all for modesty, I'm all for both men and women being more responsible, I'm all for righteous anger at sin. That's not my problem with this thread. Your general attitude towards women stinks and pointing the finger, like you're without sin, is wrong. Frankly, this CC topic was tired before King David was cool.

I don't think I was pointing the finger at all women. I think you misunderstood me. I was more so pointing the finger at some girls I liked and launched it over to the certain women who dress that way... which unfortunately seems to be many.

 

[biscuit]

1 John 2:15-16 King James Version (KJV)

15Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

 

[Tintin]

I'm not a bible scholar but as ridiculous as it may sound. YES.

IF women had some kind of lust problem with beards. haha Then yes men would have to shave em off.

Romans 14:21 It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother or sister to fall.

Its just about being conscious and considerate about other brothers and sisters.

You sir, are a moron. Clearly, you don't care to read the Bible in context, nor can you comprehend a joke.

 

[Tintin]

I don't think you have to be sinless to be angry towards sin. Its almost common-sense.

I wouldn't mind getting punished or treated harshley for my sins... as long as God doesn't send me to hell. But, hey if I murderer someone, I may be to the first one to tell the authorities. What's fair is fair.

There's a correct way to go about anger. I've dealt with anger for years and I'm confident that anger towards sin is Godly. There would be something wrong with you if you weren't angry at a rapist who smiled at you and raped more... beat a woman up... smiled at you again and kept on going and kept on going and kept on going... WHILE YOU BUDDY would be giving him a smile back... saying "I love you", "I'm giving you grace" and kept on going saying "I love you", "I'm giving you grace"

Think about it. There's a reason why God sends people to hell. He's a God of love alright but he's not a push-over.

Same old Calmador, using ridiculous analogies and extreme situations to try and make his point. Of course God is both love and justice. That's not news.

 

[tourist]

You sir, are a moron. Clearly, you don't care to read the Bible in context, nor can you comprehend a joke.

Perhaps he is using a dull razor.

 

[jsr1221]

Word. That's pretty much my thoughts on the subject. Also, there's kind of a million bajillion more important things to think about. Modesty and lusting aren't the problem, they're merely a symptom. Bring it to the Lord and ask Him to change your heart. He'll tell you what's up. Don't blame a woman's choice of apparel for where your heart and mind reside. Otherwise, in this crazy, sex-driven society of ours, you're pretty much screwed.

That's kind of saying you can't blame an alcoholic for drinking if he or she is around people who are drinking. The whole modest thing goes for both women and men. Both have a responsibility to not be close to bear skin and to not have the opposite sex lust after them. I thi k of it as if it your own kid would want him or her to be flaunting him or herself for others to see. It's an equal responsibility. It goes both ways.

 

[Nautilus]

It erks me that there are a lot of women with a lack of character... I wasn't even thinking about women being a stumbling block. Your jumping to conclusions.

That's ridiculous. Women wearing bikinis... practically walking around naked is immodest. Short shorts that are so short that barely just cover your butt is immodest. Leggings worn as pants are immodest.

It erks me that there are a lot of women with a lack of character... I wasn't even thinking about women being a stumbling block. Your jumping to conclusions.

Also you realize this is just your personal opinion. Like I have no problems with bikinis or leggings. they don't bother me or distract me. Ive seen them both for as long as I can remember.

 

[Calmador]

You ever hear dont judge a book by its cover? Maybe no one has ever told the girl about modesty, a lot of churches don't discuss it and the ones that do take it to extremes. But if you are looking for a girl who wears the bathing suit in oncefallens photo, well prepare to be single for a while.

Yeah, but, I'm talking about Church girls who probably do hear about modesty. Even without someone telling them about modesty... those women should have an innate shame against wearing immodest clothes.

Me wanting to marry a girl in a bathing suit like that... was an expression. As you can see in this thread... there's women out there who sympathize with me. I'm sure there's women out there who want to be seen as more than objects.

 

[Calmador]

You sir, are a moron. Clearly, you don't care to read the Bible in context, nor can you comprehend a joke.

That's not a Godly way to reply to someone else. I knew it was a joke... notice the "haha" in my post. I just sharing a hypothetical thought. Sheesh

 

[biscuit]

Yeah, but, I'm talking about Church girls who probably do hear about modesty. Even without someone telling them about modesty... those women should have an innate shame against wearing immodest clothes.

Me wanting to marry a girl in a bathing suit like that... was an expression. As you can see in this thread... there's women out there who sympathize with me. I'm sure there's women out there who want to be seen as more than objects.

Some women will live with Christ and some will not. It is their choice and there is very little we can do. There is the secular world which Satan dominates and there is the religious world that Jesus controls, and the choice as to which world we will live in, is ours to make.

 

[JimJimmers]

Yeah, but, I'm talking about Church girls who probably do hear about modesty. Even without someone telling them about modesty... those women should have an innate shame against wearing immodest clothes.

Me wanting to marry a girl in a bathing suit like that... was an expression. As you can see in this thread... there's women out there who sympathize with me. I'm sure there's women out there who want to be seen as more than objects.

Calmador, are you getting angry because you must cross these girls off your "marriage list"? There seems to be some undercurrent here. If you are feeling anger toward a sinner, there could be a problem there, like Chandlerfan said.

 

[Calmador]

Same old Calmador, using ridiculous analogies and extreme situations to try and make his point. Of course God is both love and justice. That's not news.

You have some "baggage" against me.

The analogy makes sense and I'm sure God would want us to say or act against those who do evil and choose not to repent.