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violakat

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Can you please give me scripture which supports that I should distance myself at this point? And also, why do you seem so sure that I have not now allowed God to take control of my life or that I am not now praying fervently and meditating on scripture?

These questions... After 9 months of dating this guy, do you honestly think I have not asked myself these things? About question number 2, I don't see why that such a great measure. Just because someone is a pastor or deacon or something doesn't mean squat. In the church I grew up in, one of the elders ended up in the slammer for sodomizing and raping all 4 of his daughters. No one knew, not even his wife. Might I add, he was also respected doctor in the community and all 9 of his children were home schooled. This man was your regular Bill Gothard, Quiverfull, make up more rules than is in the Bible, Sunday School teachin', always at church when the doors are open, white-washed tomb church "leader" kinda guy if there ever was one.

I don't mean to sound all defensive, just please keep it to scripture.
Kcat, are you feeling like I’m trying to judge you? Because if that is how your feeling, I’m not and I’m sorry that you feel that way. The thing is, I’m concerned for you, because I can see things that you may not see, based upon experience of what I’ve seen happened to friends, and in some ways, my life, when I chose to not listen to the advise of others. I am not trying to accuse you of doing or not doing anything.

1 Thessalonians 5:16-22 tells us we are to examine carefully everything. When I said to step back and take a break, this is to allow you a time to examine the situation from another angle. To ask God questions. In no way am I saying break up. Instead, give yourself a rest period. This can be a few days to a few weeks.

One friend of mine ended up enduring a rocky marriage for several years. She had been dating him for several months before eloping with him. The young man grew up in church, was supposedly a Godly young man. Her family absolutely adored him. Yet not all of her friends felt he was truly grounded in God. Over the years she has endured emotional abuse and neglect. She began to lose respect in herself, because her husband did not value her, and that showed in the way she handled things. Many of her friends kept telling her to leave because he was emotionally abusing her, but she did not see it, because she was so wrapped up in the situation. Towards the end of their marriage, she caught him sleeping with another woman. In addition to that, he began to become physically abusive to her. All this happened because she rushed into a marriage.
I’m not saying that your relationship with your boyfriend will end up in the same situation at all. Every relationship is different. However, if you rush into things, then it can become 10 times harder.

When I asked you to make sure to ask the following questions, in no way was I saying that you have not asked them. It’s simply some things that should be considered that a lot of women do not always think about. If you have, then great.

1. Is he a Godly leader?
When I ask about being a Godly leader, I’m not talking about within the church, but within your relationship. I, as well as many others on here, believe that men are to be the Leaders of the family. And for Christian men, that means they should be Godly leaders. That does not mean they hold judgment over everyone, nor does it mean the husband will be right over everything. Instead, a man who is a Godly leader will love God first and foremost, then love his wife second, and family third. He will strive to do what’s right at all times. He may fall, but goes to God in repentance. He will discuss major issues with his wife, but in the end his decision is the final one. And because he makes the final decision he is also the one who holds the most responsibility in the family. 1 Cor 11:3-12, 1 Peter 3:1-7, Ephesians 5:25-33,

2. Does he work within the church? i.e. Sunday School teacher, prayer ministry ....
When I ask, does he work within the church, I’m not referring to someone who is being paid to work, but instead, someone who is trying to serve God both in his church and local community. Since you mentioned that neither one of you currently have a church home, then, if he has attended in the past, has he in same way served within the church. You ask for Biblical References, here are ones that show that not only are we commanded to by God to be witnesses, but why. And that God gives us gifts to serve Him. Matt 28:16-20, Mark 16:15, Romans 10:14-15, Romans 12:6-8

3. What is his prayer life like?
God does call us to pray. Prayer is not for Him to know our wills, but to allow us to restore our relationship, to strengthen our communication with God, to allow ourselves to be open to God to hear what He has to say. Matt 6:9-15Ephesians 8:1820, 1 Thessalonians 5:16-22

4. What is his Bible Study life like?
The question could be asked, why should we study the Bible? Why should we know what’s in the Bible? By knowing what the Bible says, we have a better understanding of what God says. Not only that, but in times, when we are struggling, we can recall what Scripture says and use it as a weapon, and as a shield to protect us from temptation, to guard our hearts, and to give us comfort. Psalm 119:11, Matt 4:4, 2 Tim 2:15, Ephesians 6:10-17, Rev 1:3

5. Are there areas that you see that concern you?
The Bible teaches that marriage is to be considered a sacred vow between God, the Husband and the Wife. Both Jules and Myst gave you verses in the Bible that specifically talk about how divorce should be handled. Yes, it is true that divorce is not of God, and that Moses allowed it originally, because of the hardness of man’s heart. When Christ was talking of divorce, He was not giving permission but re-establishing the restrictions for divorce, which is what Jules mentioned. So, when I ask women to ask themselves if there are areas of concern, this is because once you are married, it’s so much harder for you to divorce. And before you consider marriage, it’s important to have things settled to have an understanding about different things.
 
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KCat

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Kcat, are you feeling like I’m trying to judge you? Because if that is how your feeling, I’m not and I’m sorry that you feel that way. The thing is, I’m concerned for you, because I can see things that you may not see, based upon experience of what I’ve seen happened to friends, and in some ways, my life, when I chose to not listen to the advise of others. I am not trying to accuse you of doing or not doing anything.

1 Thessalonians 5:16-22 tells us we are to examine carefully everything. When I said to step back and take a break, this is to allow you a time to examine the situation from another angle. To ask God questions. In no way am I saying break up. Instead, give yourself a rest period. This can be a few days to a few weeks.

One friend of mine ended up enduring a rocky marriage for several years. She had been dating him for several months before eloping with him. The young man grew up in church, was supposedly a Godly young man. Her family absolutely adored him. Yet not all of her friends felt he was truly grounded in God. Over the years she has endured emotional abuse and neglect. She began to lose respect in herself, because her husband did not value her, and that showed in the way she handled things. Many of her friends kept telling her to leave because he was emotionally abusing her, but she did not see it, because she was so wrapped up in the situation. Towards the end of their marriage, she caught him sleeping with another woman. In addition to that, he began to become physically abusive to her. All this happened because she rushed into a marriage.
I’m not saying that your relationship with your boyfriend will end up in the same situation at all. Every relationship is different. However, if you rush into things, then it can become 10 times harder.

When I asked you to make sure to ask the following questions, in no way was I saying that you have not asked them. It’s simply some things that should be considered that a lot of women do not always think about. If you have, then great.

1. Is he a Godly leader?
When I ask about being a Godly leader, I’m not talking about within the church, but within your relationship. I, as well as many others on here, believe that men are to be the Leaders of the family. And for Christian men, that means they should be Godly leaders. That does not mean they hold judgment over everyone, nor does it mean the husband will be right over everything. Instead, a man who is a Godly leader will love God first and foremost, then love his wife second, and family third. He will strive to do what’s right at all times. He may fall, but goes to God in repentance. He will discuss major issues with his wife, but in the end his decision is the final one. And because he makes the final decision he is also the one who holds the most responsibility in the family. 1 Cor 11:3-12, 1 Peter 3:1-7, Ephesians 5:25-33,

2. Does he work within the church? i.e. Sunday School teacher, prayer ministry ....
When I ask, does he work within the church, I’m not referring to someone who is being paid to work, but instead, someone who is trying to serve God both in his church and local community. Since you mentioned that neither one of you currently have a church home, then, if he has attended in the past, has he in same way served within the church. You ask for Biblical References, here are ones that show that not only are we commanded to by God to be witnesses, but why. And that God gives us gifts to serve Him. Matt 28:16-20, Mark 16:15, Romans 10:14-15, Romans 12:6-8

3. What is his prayer life like?
God does call us to pray. Prayer is not for Him to know our wills, but to allow us to restore our relationship, to strengthen our communication with God, to allow ourselves to be open to God to hear what He has to say. Matt 6:9-15Ephesians 8:1820, 1 Thessalonians 5:16-22

4. What is his Bible Study life like?
The question could be asked, why should we study the Bible? Why should we know what’s in the Bible? By knowing what the Bible says, we have a better understanding of what God says. Not only that, but in times, when we are struggling, we can recall what Scripture says and use it as a weapon, and as a shield to protect us from temptation, to guard our hearts, and to give us comfort. Psalm 119:11, Matt 4:4, 2 Tim 2:15, Ephesians 6:10-17, Rev 1:3

5. Are there areas that you see that concern you?
The Bible teaches that marriage is to be considered a sacred vow between God, the Husband and the Wife. Both Jules and Myst gave you verses in the Bible that specifically talk about how divorce should be handled. Yes, it is true that divorce is not of God, and that Moses allowed it originally, because of the hardness of man’s heart. When Christ was talking of divorce, He was not giving permission but re-establishing the restrictions for divorce, which is what Jules mentioned. So, when I ask women to ask themselves if there are areas of concern, this is because once you are married, it’s so much harder for you to divorce. And before you consider marriage, it’s important to have things settled to have an understanding about different things.
Thank you for your concern. That's terrible about your friend. Horror stories like that is EXACTLY why I haven't rushed out to get the marriage license. I think it's becoming clearer to me now that I do FOR SURE need to stand firm in my convictions and not waffle or compromise. If that runs him off, or he doesn't go along with it, well then, I guess he runs off - nothing I can do about that. If however, it is revealed (and I understand this will take time) that we BOTH have been truly brought closer to the Lord in true repentance through this, then that's a good sign to go ahead with marriage. While I may not agree with everything that was said, it has been a great tool God's used for me to hash things out with other believers and clear things up in my mind and heart. Thanks, guys.
 
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Relationships lead to sex. If he's so great and its a problem why not just get married.
 
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Jullianna

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You are an amazing, godly woman, KCat, who clearly loves the Lord and seeks Him wholeheartedly. You have looked your mistakes in the face and have not run from them, but have chosen to use them, with God's help, for good in your relationship with your husband to be. Those of us who've been married know that's the stuff that makes a marriage strong. You are blessed. :) Men who have humble hearts as he clearly does are precious.
 
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GreenNnice

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Hey guys, thanks so much for your care! My boyfriend and I had a really loooooong chat tonight after he came over to my house after work and found me crying my eyes out over this.

It made me feel better because he expressed to me that he really struggles with keeping his thoughts pure towards me because he is very attracted to me, but that it broke his heart that I was so hurt by his actions towards me. He said, "We have GOT to find a church. We cannot sit in a room together alone laying on the couch and stuff like that anymore. If we are idle like that, it is not good."

He said, "You know, I've always called myself a Christian and felt like premarital sex was wrong, but you have put a new light on it for me because I see what it has done to you... and I've always known deep down it has not been a good thing for me either. I actually respect you even more that you want to hold yourself and our relationship to a higher standard. No, it did not hurt my feelings at all last night when you told me, 'No, I am just NOT doing this or that' That tells me you care about me and our relationship so much that you will not let things get out of hand anymore. You are living your faith. I am not going anywhere if you aren't."


It surprised me when he said all of that because I thought if I set such strict boundaries, it would throw him off and he would not respect it.

I just really do not want to break up with this guy. It would tear me apart. I would end up having to get mental health care for sure. As strange as it is, I really care for this guy so much. I pray to God that He doesn't make me have to leave this man, as odd as that may sound.
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If he really loves you, His ways will change, not only as your beau's humble confession from his heart.

There will be corrective action demonstrated by him through actions of treating the relationship differently.

Your beau should become contrite in heart for what happened, knowing his actions were wrong (you may have, indeed, actively participated in your twos' decsion to sex-before-marriage but the guy is the one that is leading the relationship, and, it''s the guy who needs to take control, be in self-control. The serpent DECEIVED the woman, not the other way around. Satan is a considered masculine gender.

The Lord leads, there will definitely be some tough times between you too in future IF you are not both contrite and promise God you will trust in each other not to ever do sbm again. That being, said, I would step out of each others' houses, NOT out of each others' lives. I say this after reading you said, okkat, you would go mentally insane you think if you dropped this guy.

That said, are you independent in life or do.you rely on him for food and attention and even doing tnings. If your answer is 'yes,' and, I pray the Lord leads my said thoughts, you are not ready for marriage with anyone in your life. You MUST be able to not rely mentally on another human being for your happiness.

You must rely on God for strength and help in ALL your times ot trouble. Psalms 46:1.

A good contrite verse is one I have in my profile, isaiah 66:2 . Milady, The power and abiloty of God is beyond great, it''s eternal. :)
 

mystdancer50

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For me, the major red flag in this whole situation is that you waited for 29 years and after dating this man for only 2 months, you were willing to let go of things that previously meant a great deal to you. I applaud you for realizing that the boundaries have to be established now. As I mentioned in one of my other posts, the minute that my values and stands were not respected by the man I am dating, for lack of a better word, and I would end it. Why? Because purity and God's plan/purpose/will for my life is worth far more to me than anything or anyone else in the world.

Sometimes in relationships God takes second place. He should always be first. My prayer is that the man I marry loves God more than he loves anyone else, including myself. This will be evident in the way he lives. Two months into your relationship you took the steps you both took and now it's nine months later and it is still a struggle (or was). This is why I think you need to take a break from the relationship. Why were you willing to let go of everything you once held onto so tightly in such a short amount of time? This time apart would help you establish what it was that brought you to the places that you found yourself and help you to focus on God completely once more.

If you are not willing to take a break from the relationship, then I suggest that you are never, ever alone again until after you are married. And I mean never. Do not put yourself back into that place where saying yes is easy. It is said that sex outside of marriage doesn't 'just happen'. It's always planned (exceptions being rape and such, of course). If you are already in the backseat of the car at the city lights, you have already planned to have sex. If you are alone in the house, kissing and such, you are already setting the stage for giving in. Boundaries are so important.

Unfortunately, in this day and age, purity is not addressed at the level that it should be and is not prized until it is lost. I guess we fear offending someone. But in all honesty, I don't have to defend staying a virgin. I don't have to defend being single or waiting for a husband. But do you notice how people feel the need to defend their love of a person they are living with or themselves having slept with someone? I'm not saying you are doing this, but the practical side of things is that in order to acheive purity and be sure beyond a doubt that you are in God's will is to step back for a minute and be with God and listen. In the midst of a relationship that is causing turmoil in your heart and emotions, it's a little difficult to do.

I advocate taking a break from dating this man. True love waits. If you both truly love each other as you both feel that you do, then a short time setting priorities and finding a church home and seeking God will only make your relationship stronger. The break would be only as long as God tells you it should be. It may only be a week, it may be longer, but you have to be willing to set aside how you feel and what you want in order to hear from God, otherwise all the He says will be skewed through the lens of what you want.

More thoughts...it is hard to assess the situation from a distance, so I hope I'm coming across clearly. Sometimes I write too much for it to all sink in. Sorry about that...I'm a writer. :)
 

Liamson

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I thought she said she had been dating him 9 months not 2.
 

mystdancer50

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I've been dating this wonderful guy for about 9 months now.

Long story short, I met him, started dating him. After 2 months, we ended up sleeping together.
They have been together for nine months now but I was referring to the part above. :)