Girlfriend and girlfriend..

[Matthew4Jesus]

I don't think that lesbian relationships are wrong. Let me explain you why.

God made alot of rules to avoid problems. Just look at sending sacrifices in the Old Testament. All of a sudden, He didn't want sacrifices anymore. That is because these sacrifices were meant for the people thereself! To be busy with God every day and every hour. Same as resting on Sunday. Jesus even said: "The sabbath is made for man, and man are not made for the sabbath". It's all about getting rest, getting out of the daily life. Not because God wants man to tease them with rules.

The Old Testament says that sex between two men, but also just all the sex outside of marriage is wrong. And when you see how many people are suffering and dying from STD's, you probably know why God made these rules. Not because He wants our life to have lots and lots of restrictions or that He doesn't like love between same sex, but because He didn't want us to die due to STD's!

You should see everything in perspective. Jesus did!

No, No, no!

You have crossed the ''interpretation'' line to molding the bible to suit you, or make you seem l;ike a more liberal and tolerable person to non-Christians.

 

[FSUBoy966]

No, No, no!

You have crossed the ''interpretation'' line to molding the bible to suit you, or make you seem l;ike a more liberal and tolerable person to non-Christians.

Maybe you're all stretching the Bible out to be bigoted close minded people?

 

[sadisticshoelaces]

Look, you're feelings about her aren't going to magically disapear, so why not? I know what the bible says, yada yada. But it was written by MAN thousands of years ago. It also says that woman who commit adultery should be stoned to death, that burning sheep or goats in your backyard pleases God, and that people who say, "you fool" will burn in hell fire ( Mat 5:22). When was the last time you burned a sheep? Or stoned someone to death?
Real christians know that the bible is really about the message of LOVE, and that the rest was for a different time period and shouldn't be taken literally. Love, acceptance, and kindness were what Jesus what all about.
You like her, and she likes you. If God exists he doesn't want you to be a miserable self-denying person.

Cuz God makes no mistakes, you're on the right track, baby you were born this way!
Not that I quote Lady Gaga every chance I get, I just thought that might be appropriate lol.

 

[jimmydiggs]

Maybe you're all stretching the Bible out to be bigoted close minded people?

 

[jimmydiggs]

Look, you're feelings about her aren't going to magically disapear, so why not?

I have a lot of feelings that don't simply disappear. Nothing wrong with those, right? (You may not want to know what some of them are)

I know what the bible says, yada yada.

No, the bible does not say "yada yada".

But it was written by MAN thousands of years ago.

MAN is too singular. Try about 40 authors over 1500 years or so.

Some approximate dates for you..

Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy = Moses - 1400 B.C.
Joshua = Joshua - 1350 B.C.
Judges, Ruth, 1 Samuel, 2 Samuel = Samuel/Nathan/Gad - 1000 - 900 B.C.
1 Kings, 2 Kings = Jeremiah - 600 B.C.
1 Chronicles, 2 Chronicles, Ezra, Nehemiah = Ezra - 450 B.C.
Esther = Mordecai - 400 B.C.
Job = Moses - 1400 B.C.
Psalms = several different authors, mostly David - 1000 - 400 B.C.
Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Song of Solomon = Solomon - 900 B.C.
Isaiah = Isaiah - 700 B.C.
Jeremiah, Lamentations = Jeremiah - 600 B.C.
Ezekiel = Ezekiel - 550 B.C.
Daniel = Daniel - 550 B.C.
Hosea = Hosea - 750 B.C.
Joel = Joel - 850 B.C.
Amos = Amos - 750 B.C.
Obadiah = Obadiah - 600 B.C.
Jonah = Jonah - 700 B.C.
Micah = Micah - 700 B.C.
Nahum = Nahum - 650 B.C.
Habakkuk = Habakkuk - 600 B.C.
Zephaniah = Zephaniah - 650 B.C.
Haggai = Haggai - 520 B.C.
Zechariah = Zechariah - 500 B.C.
Malachi = Malachi - 430 B.C.
Matthew = Matthew - A.D. 55
Mark = John Mark - A.D. 50
Luke = Luke - A.D. 60
John = John - A.D. 90
Acts = Luke - A.D. 65
Romans, 1 Corinthians, 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 Thessalonians, 2 Thessalonians, 1 Timothy, 2 Timothy, Titus, Philemon = Paul - A.D. 50-70
Hebrews = unknown, mostly likely Paul, Luke, Barnabas, or Apollos - A.D. 65
James = James - A.D. 45
1 Peter, 2 Peter = Peter - A.D. 60
1 John, 2 John, 3 John = John - A.D. 90
Jude = Jude - A.D. 60
Revelation = John - A.D. 90
Who were the authors of the books of the Bible? <--- click

If you want to argue about dates, given the length of that type of discussion, we'll need another thread.

It also says that woman who commit adultery should be stoned to death, that burning sheep or goats in your backyard pleases God,

Correct. I hope you understand the differences between the OT and NT and the transition that Christ is.

and that people who say, "you fool" will burn in hell fire ( Mat 5:22).

Most translations I've read, read something along the lines of.. "..in danger of the fire of hell.."
If unrepentent, then it might be somewhat problematic.

When was the last time you burned a sheep?

Does eating a gyro count? I get your point though, and it's a matter of understanding the OT vs. the NT.

Or stoned someone to death?

Nope. Never stoned anyone or been stoned. See the above response.

Real christians know that the bible is really about the message of LOVE, and that the rest was for a different time period and shouldn't be taken literally.

Let's not put subjective definitions into what love is. God is the standard of love. Different time period, yes. Taken literally, that's a matter of hermeneutics and proper exegesis.

A graph from AIG that I would agree with.

Also, for an introduction...

The Bible is a box of treasure. It is full of things of great value, but it requires a key to unlock it. The key to unlock the Bible is within the reach of everyone and not just a special group of people with expert training—although training and experience certainly help us to use the key with greater ease and accuracy. This key is knowing the principles of interpreting the Bible, or hermeneutics. Hermeneutics comes from a Greek word meaning “interpreter.”

Many people forget that the Bible, like any other book, must be understood according to certain rules; most of these rules we are using every day when we read books, letters, or even a newspaper. When a friend tells us that she “cried all night,” or the radio claims that “the whole town was angry,” we do not seriously imagine that our friend sobbed without interruption for eight hours or that there was not even one person in the town who was not pleased with the news that annoyed most of the citizens. We have used the key of hermeneutics to unlock the statements made.

The Bible as a book must be interpreted sensibly, and as God’s book it must be interpreted spiritually. Many of the attacks made upon the Bible by its critics are due to a misunderstanding of proper interpretation. An obvious and simple example is when people criticize the Bible for being unscientific when it speaks of the sun rising and setting (for example, Genesis 15:12, 17; 19:23). We all know that this is a convenient expression that is used the world over, and it is not intended as a scientific description of the relationship of the sun to the earth. Even the weather forecasters refer to sunset and sunrise.
Literary Forms and Biblical Interpretation - Answers in Genesis <--- click

Love, acceptance, and kindness were what Jesus what all about.

He is the standard, yes.. but all too often we put our own perceptions into this. We make a personalized-Jesus if you will. Something that fits our wants of him.

An example..

Jesus entered the temple area and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves.

Doesn't sound all that loving, accepting, or kind toward the money changes by our modern definition does it?

You like her, and she likes you. If God exists he doesn't want you to be a miserable self-denying person.

Hmmm. Well, God seems to disagree.

Jesus Predicts His Death

21 Jesus strictly warned them not to tell this to anyone. 22 And he said, “The Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.”

23 Then he said to them all: “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross daily and follow me. 24 For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will save it. 25 What good is it for someone to gain the whole world, and yet lose or forfeit their very self? 26 Whoever is ashamed of me and my words, the Son of Man will be ashamed of them when he comes in his glory and in the glory of the Father and of the holy angels. 27 “Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God.”

Cuz God makes no mistakes,

Glad you agree.

you're on the right track, baby you were born this way!

So what if a person is born homosexual? While there is no solid evidence for this, what does it matter? There are other people born with pre-conditions, and yet we don't run around using this type of argument to justify their actions, do we?

What about serial killers? There is far more evidence that they are born with biological pre-conditions... For example..

Some of the differences in the brains of these 'monsters' are clearly stated above. Yet, noting these biological differences in the immoral and criminal brain makes punishment and treatment of these individuals a difficult situation. It was suggested that perhaps the 'accountability' of serial killers may be able to be determined by brain-scans once the differences were catalogued. If these differences are detectable, than perhaps we can know who is a serial killer and who is not. However, would this indicate whether the serial killer was born this way rather than having willfully trained himself to enjoy the 'feelings' that his crimes elicit?

Does society have the right to impose the death penalty upon those who are biologically malformed? Biology implies that these individuals suffer from something as simple as a birth defect, or something strange that has happened to or been transcribed in their brains. The 'insanity defense' clearly states that we can not punish a person who does not understand what they have done as being wrong. However, changes or abnormalities in the brain, as exposed above, indicate that serial killers do not understand the world as you or I. As science begins to unravel personality, accountability unravels with it. "The person becomes his parts - some working, some defective through no fault of his own." (1)

Could serial killers simply begin as individuals looking for activities that will allow them to enjoy and take pleasure in life like you or I? Perhaps they've learned that for their 'pursuit of happiness' they must trade in what society imposes upon them as 'morality'. A concept they may not even be capable of understanding.
Serial Killers <--- click

 

[Matthew4Jesus]

Maybe you're all stretching the Bible out to be bigoted close minded people?

Or maybe when the bible says ''don't do this'' I don't do it. More likely...

 

[juliet84]

Jimmydiggs..awesome responses like always &#9829;