Need proof

[NerdGirl]

I need proof that homo-/bi-sexuality is actually a sin. Is there somewhere in the bible that actually says that it is a sin, or is it just implied.

I don't believe that it is actually a sin, if it was then why would God make you that way? You are born homo-/bi-sexual and there was a brain study that proved it. There are a bunch of stupid sins in the bible, I mean it is wrong to be homo-/bi-sexual, eat prawns or to wear pigskin shoes or to have tassels on your clothes - but it's OK to beat your slaves, OK to sell your daughter and OK to stone your kids to death if they are disobedient. The bible is an interesting story book but it doesn't offer any sensible advice on morality

 

[SonOfAdam]

Rom 1:26b For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

Here in the new testament, after Jesus has been and returned to heaven, same sex relations are directly addressed and described as sin. Other places in the new testament the term sexual immorality, which also applies to the gay lifestyle, is used in the same sentence as murder, lying, and other sins.

It is hard to not see it as a sin when the Bible clearly says it is.
The modern day rainbow lie is that people are born gay and can't help it. The reality is that the topic is in the Bible going way back thousands of years and it was always people choosing to do it. There are thousands of people living today who were told they were unable to change being gay, and who now are straight and are teaching against the modern lies.
Here is one source here: Exodus International - Reaching the World in Grace & Truth

As for the old testament quotes about pig skins and so on, those were for the Jews and were superceeded by Jesus' actions and life, and by the Father's words Himself through and to the apostles. So there is no point quoting the old laws to excuse a modern lustful sin. Qualify your quoting of the Bible by examining the culture and context of the verses before discarding them. They have relevance when they are looked at properly.

Ultimately tho, if you are only going to view it as a story book then you are never going to listen to it. The entire Bible is addressing morality and you are here saying that it doesn't offer advice on it.

 

[NerdGirl]

I'm most likely not going to listen to it, and there is actual proof that people are born gay and bisexual. Those people that "changed" are most likely still gay and just hiding it, they weren't gay in the first place, or they are bisexual and not gay. And the Bible is addressing morality when it says that it is ok to stone people and to sell your daughter (which I think I do remember that being in the new testament, about selling your daughter)

Here is a quote I like from someone I know, and tis one is actually true:
"It's a book from lots of sources. Some bits are inspired and other are prejudiced. Some bits are accurate history and other bits are myth or deliberate exaggeration or made up. Some bits were written down hundreds of years after the events they describe so can't help being inaccurate. You have to use your own judgment. It's interesting in the same way that the books of the Romans or Egyptians or Babylonians are interesting - but I wouldn't use any of them to tell me how to live."
That is how I feel about the Bible and this guy summed it up quite nicely

 

[SonOfAdam]

So what you are really telling us is tha you don't believe the Bible. You haven't got faith in it or it's message. You want us to tell you what it says about something you are unwilling to disagree with. And you have already decided to believe this so called proof that some other person has told you is fact.

Science is not neutral. It starts with observations and they are then interpreted based on some things that the interpreter already believes. And so any hard to prove conclusion is based on his assumptions more than fact.
You are already believing that people are born gay, and because of that you are telling these thousands of people that they are blatent liars... because you believe something somebody told you. You are not willing to even consider that you are wrong.

So why bother asking us these questions?

The answer, from someone who knews the Bible's views on this, is that gays are not made that way. The only way the gay community continues is by recruitment. Not by reproduction. Not by genetics (there is no gay gene if you do the research). Just by people telling other people what to believe because it feels good. It's all about you doing what you want to do, not about how you were actually made.

 

[lightbliss]

From all the several threads, I'm starting to think that this type of question is an unavoidable trend.

 

[TheJesusFreak]

Sodom And Gommorah got destroyed for their sins.

If you read around there you will see it gives a whole list of what Sodom and Gomorrah was.

And they were all SINS

For those who argue that Homsexuality isnt a sin then why would god randomly stick a NOT SIN in a group of SINS? He wouldnt

The bible also says in revelations that Homosexual offenders will not enter heaven.

I find it sad because it is a sin just like a lot of other sins.

 

[NerdGirl]

Sodom And Gommorah got destroyed for their sins.

If you read around there you will see it gives a whole list of what Sodom and Gomorrah was.

And they were all SINS

For those who argue that Homsexuality isnt a sin then why would god randomly stick a NOT SIN in a group of SINS? He wouldnt

The bible also says in revelations that Homosexual offenders will not enter heaven.

I find it sad because it is a sin just like a lot of other sins.

So, basically you are telling me that god wouldn't let someone homo-/bi-sexual into heaven even though he made them homo-/bi-sexual??? really??? get real. Please

So what you are really telling us is tha you don't believe the Bible. You haven't got faith in it or it's message. You want us to tell you what it says about something you are unwilling to disagree with. And you have already decided to believe this so called proof that some other person has told you is fact.

Science is not neutral. It starts with observations and they are then interpreted based on some things that the interpreter already believes. And so any hard to prove conclusion is based on his assumptions more than fact.
You are already believing that people are born gay, and because of that you are telling these thousands of people that they are blatent liars... because you believe something somebody told you. You are not willing to even consider that you are wrong.

So why bother asking us these questions?

The answer, from someone who knews the Bible's views on this, is that gays are not made that way. The only way the gay community continues is by recruitment. Not by reproduction. Not by genetics (there is no gay gene if you do the research). Just by people telling other people what to believe because it feels good. It's all about you doing what you want to do, not about how you were actually made.

1. I already had those views on the bible, I just liked the way this guy put it.

2. Nobody told me that people are born gay, I heard it somewhere and looked it up, I read a bunch of science records on this project and all of the ones I read came to the same conclusion that people are born gay, and then stated how they figured it out and what evidence proves it.

3. No. If it were this way then people wouldn't be turned on by/physically attracted to a person of the same sex. I would know. Nobody "recruited" me to be bisexual, but I am. I am physically attracted to both boys and girls. I know there is no gay gene, but there is a difference in the brain that had been there from birth in homosexual and straight people.

4. You sound like one of those stupid idiot homophobes that would say that "if you are raised by gay parents, you will become gay." That is not the truth, being gay doesn't "rub off" onto other people. Get real, and get a brain that actually works and isn't dependent on a book to tell it how to live.

 

[Sweetheart1987]

All I'm going to say,is the Bible speaks clearly for itself on this issue and is proof in itself without needing defending. Secondly,if you won't listen to or watch what others show you as a form of proof,then you're not actually seeking proof. You refuse to check it out. Third of all,have ''proud bi'' on your signature or whatever,shows that you don't care what God,or His word says about it. you're set in your ways,and refuse to change. That's rebellion and I would be very careful of such a thing. Lastly,God does NOT make anyone gay,bisexual,etc. that's just an excuse and and blame people use and put on God,because they don't want to take responsibility for their own choice. When people are children,they're pure,they don't know the things of this world...until they notice them as they grow up. Well,then they see what the world has to offer,and accepts,thinking hey that's cool,it's way easier to follow,and more of what I want so I'll just follow it. Wrong choice,we're to be different,we're called to be set apart from the world. God isn't going to make someone gay,bisexual,or whatever when He hates that sin. His word speaks against it so crystal clear,and therefore that in itself disproves your claim. By the way,pride,is a sin. So being a ''proud bi'' is a sin as well.Note: God DOES love everyone though.

 

[SonOfAdam]

"You sound like one of those stupid idiot homophobes that would say that "if you are raised by gay parents, you will become gay.""

I lived with a bi couple for a while. I view her son as my own nephew. He almost was.
You treat me like I have no knowledge or experience with this. I have more experience of brain chemestry problems and how it effects choices than you could realise.

So to be clear, I believe you, yourself and only you have decided to be this way. Not by brain chemestry or anything like that. By your own choice.

I choose to love someone who says she has no feelings for me. Who is with another guy. Is my brain chemestry wired that way that I do this? No. Of course not.
It is my choice.
And you have made yours also. Of your own free will. Just as those who choose to stop being bi or gay are perfectly allowed to and able to.

Sin is sin. You either choose to do it or you choose not to. Same as I choose to sin or not also.
The main theme of the Bible is that there is a solution to sin. A way to avoide the consequences of our bad actions, and to turn our lives away from them.

 

[jimmydiggs]

I'm most likely not going to listen to it

Do so at your own peril.

, and there is actual proof that people are born gay and bisexual.

Such as?

Those people that "changed" are most likely still gay and just hiding it, they weren't gay in the first place, or they are bisexual and not gay.

This is speculative at best.

And the Bible is addressing morality when it says that it is ok to stone people and to sell your daughter (which I think I do remember that being in the new testament, about selling your daughter)

Making a moral judgement without a moral law? tisk tisk tisk. If you and I decide what is moral, nothing is moral or immoral. Keep in mind, you've been socially conditioned. You have cultural values, not held by other cultures.

Here is a quote I like from someone I know, and tis one is actually true:
"It's a book from lots of sources. Some bits are inspired and other are prejudiced. Some bits are accurate history and other bits are myth or deliberate exaggeration or made up. Some bits were written down hundreds of years after the events they describe so can't help being inaccurate. You have to use your own judgment. It's interesting in the same way that the books of the Romans or Egyptians or Babylonians are interesting - but I wouldn't use any of them to tell me how to live."
That is how I feel about the Bible and this guy summed it up quite nicely

True on what basis? Is it because this guy said it and you agree? Does agreeance make something true?

 

[jimmydiggs]

So, basically you are telling me that god wouldn't let someone homo-/bi-sexual into heaven even though he made them homo-/bi-sexual??? really??? get real. Please

It's not know if they are "made" that way. Also, I believe Romans 7:18 would be important here. I'm not the judge of who "gets in", however Revelations 21:8 I think might be a good indicator.

1. I already had those views on the bible, I just liked the way this guy put it.

How did you come to this conclusion? How much exposure have you had to Biblical Christianity and apologetics?

2. Nobody told me that people are born gay, I heard it somewhere and looked it up, I read a bunch of science records on this project and all of the ones I read came to the same conclusion that people are born gay, and then stated how they figured it out and what evidence proves it.

Examples please. Here, I'm ahead of you.

By 1986 the born “gay” hoax had been born, and was growing fast. The resulting public relations campaign fooled millions of people around the world into accepting unnatural and inherently dangerous sexual behaviors as natural. In the wake of Ulrichs’s latter-day apostles, Kirk and Madsen and their influence on the culture, many came to believe that they themselves were born “gay.” Same-gender sex activists capitalized on multiple pseudo-scientific studies to mislead the public. The following analyses, will debunk every study of this sort, beginning with the three most cited.

Born Gay Hoax: Studies Debunked Conservative Colloquium <--- click for debunking

3. No. If it were this way then people wouldn't be turned on by/physically attracted to a person of the same sex.

This has to do with the sinful nature of man. You might benefit from this testimony.

YouTube - Jesus Christ Saved Me from 27 Years of Homosexuality <--- click

I would know.

How so?

Nobody "recruited" me to be bisexual, but I am. I am physically attracted to both boys and girls. I know there is no gay gene, but there is a difference in the brain that had been there from birth in homosexual and straight people.

I posted earlier on the evidence/lack there-of for homosexuality being a biological factor. So, I will give you leeway and just for the sake of arguement assume that the brain controls this. What if that factor that supposedly leads to homosexuality, is not present in you? What if we found that all claimed evidences are not present in you?

4. You sound like one of those stupid idiot homophobes that would say that "if you are raised by gay parents, you will become gay." That is not the truth, being gay doesn't "rub off" onto other people. Get real, and get a brain that actually works and isn't dependent on a book to tell it how to live.

The American College of Pediatricians says the same thing.

Data on the long-term outcomes of children placed in homosexual households is sparse and gives reason for concern.17 This research has revealed that children reared in homosexual households are more likely to experience sexual confusion, engage in risky sexual experimentation, and later adopt a homosexual identity.18,19,20,21,22 This is concerning since adolescents and young adults who adopt the homosexual lifestyle are at increased risk for mental health problems, including major depression, anxiety disorders, conduct disorders, substance dependence, and especially suicidal ideation and suicide attempts.23

ACPeds - Homosexual Parenting: Is It Time For Change? <--- more on previous quote here

 

[sf11change]

I actually agree with you on the fact that people are born gay. I believe that as well.. I'm not so sure about bi-sexuality. I think that stems from a cultural thing because it's now a lot more prevalent in the media and it's just more accepted in society than it used to be.. But I guess if it's possible to be born gay, it's possible to be born bisexual as well.. I don't, however, believe that God has his hand over every birth and says "you will be born gay" just as He wouldn't say "you will be born with a disability" ..

Here's how I see it..
God made the world perfect. Adam and Eve dwelled in the perfect Garden of Eden and everything was great. But then Eve was tempted by Satan and ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. And suddenly, evil was let into the world. Some people wonder why God would allow that, but the thing is, God didn't want a bunch of robot worshippers. He wanted to create people that would CHOOSE to love him, CHOOSE to worship Him, and CHOOSE Him over evil. It didn't work out that way.. We chose to give in to temptation, and because of that, we all deserve death. So God has given this world to Satan for now. He still chooses to intervene from time to time, He still wants people to choose Him, and He still works in people's lives, but He isn't in charge of the world right now.

Satan has many tricks. He brings evil into the world so that we are convinced there is no God.. I mean, look at the tragedies in the world lately with all these earthquakes and tsunamis, hurricanes.. This world is going crazy… As for being born gay.. With all the crap that is being dumped into lakes and rivers where we get our drinking water from, and the herbivores being fed meats from other animals, and whatever else they are doing to our foods, it's no wonder that we have so many diseases and illnesses in the world just popping up out of nowhere and happening to healthy people! They have actually found hormones in drinking water! Who is to say that someone can't be born gay when you have things like that going on..

All seems lost, BUT…….. There is hope in Jesus Christ, because God wanted to give us the chance for eternal life with Him. Jesus came to save us from this world. I've met several people who are gay and found that simply asking God to take away those feelings doesn't quite work.. I think that’s because it takes more than healing. How can you change something that has been a part of you for your entire life? I think it requires a total transformation of your thoughts, feelings, motivations, actions… and that doesn't tend to happen just by praying… If you want to change, you need to get into a program that deals with this directly.. There are many Christians dealing with this same issue out there.. Even on this site.. I've seen many threads dedicated to this topic…

 

[TheJesusFreak]

This site is starting to get me worried.

I am not gay. Nor do I plan on being gay. I Beleive that being gay is a sin

BUT IN GOD EYES ALL SIN IS EQUAL YOU PEOPLE! WE ARE ALL LIVING IN SIN!

Yes us Christians mess up and sin all of the time. Being gay is an equal sin in gods eyes.

I PERSONALLY beleive that being gay is a sin BUT if the said gay person somehow beleives in their heart it isnt I dont think God will Damn them to Hell if they are trying to live for him even if they are wrong.

I dont see how they can truly beleive it isnt a sin but if they do truly beleive that then I think they arent going to hell.


BUT IDK AND PLEASE DONT JUDGE ME

It is comments on threads like these that always make me question now whether I am going to heaven or not.

I thought that if you tried to follow jesus even TRIED then you were going to heaven

God didnt make them that way that is the stinkin point!

SINFUL NATURE MADE THEM THAT WAY!

 

[xXxSharonxXx]

"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them" (Leviticus 20:13).

I researched and found that there are only six verses in the Bible that say anything about homosexuality, but there's one. It IS a sin according to the Bible and I believe it is. Whether you choose to believe it or not is your choice. But you did ask for proof, and we are giving it to you. You cannot deny that there is no proof from the Bible that confirms it is a sin.

So, basically you are telling me that god wouldn't let someone homo-/bi-sexual into heaven even though he made them homo-/bi-sexual??? really??? get real. Please

No, TheJesusFreak did not say that God wouldn't let someone that was homo/bi-sexual into Heaven, the word of God says this clearly. Also, if God condems homosexuality so much, why do you think He would create people that way? He doesn't create people who are that way, they choose this path. God is not a mind controller, but gave us a free will and a mind that WE use to make our OWN choices.

"Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men" (1 Corinthians 6:9).

You sound like one of those stupid idiot homophobes that would say that "if you are raised by gay parents, you will become gay."

First of all, that can be true or false depending on the circumstances and the personality of the child. It has absolutely nothing to do with genes. Some children raised by gay parents grow up choosing to be straight, while others choose to do what their parents do. But like I said, it's a choice that YOU make.
Proof, if any, of homosexuality being inherited or people being "born that way" is just an excuse people make because of what they want instead of what is moral according to the word of God. How do you know they weren't making it up even if they told you the whole process? They are the scientists, and you are not. They can make up anything that people who dont have the experience as them will believe out of trust because they are titled as "scientists," or because they use big complicated scientific words.

Get real, and get a brain that actually works and isn't dependent on a book to tell it how to live.

First, It's not just a book, it's THE book that holds the commandments of God. As Christians, we are to follow the Bible and not conform to the ways of this world. We dont just depend on it, but we seek it for advice, comfort, and wisdom.
Second, it's not the Book that tells us how to live, it's God Himself guiding us on how to live. God spoke through the people who wrote what is in the Bible, meaning these are the words not of the people who wrote them, but of God. So its not just a book, it's the words of the Lord.

 

[NerdGirl]

I have actually found a passage in the Bible where Jesus is actually talking to a bisexual woman the way he would a normal man. He basically told her that he knew, but didn't say anything about her going to hell. The woman is either bisexual, or she is sleeping with a man that she isn't married to, which is a huge sin, and way bigger a sin, I might add, than homosexuality.

16 He told her, "Go, call your husband and come back." 17 "I have no husband," she replied. Jesus said to her, "You are right when you say you have no husband. 18 The fact is, you have had five husbands, and the one you now have is not your husband. What you have just said is quite true."

And the quotes about homosexuality being a sin, did you just read the quotes or the context around it? Most of the quotes, if not all, are talking about either homosexual rape or prostitution. Read into the context a little more. When you gave me those verses I went in and actually read, and they were either about homosexual prostitution or rape:

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."

While the scripture may sound clear, the debate actually surrounds the use of the Greek word that this particular version of the Bible translates as "homosexual offenders." The term is "arsenokoite." Some say that it is a reference to male prostitutes rather than to two committed homosexuals. Yet, others argue that Paul, who wrote the passage, would not have repeated "male prostitutes" twice. Even others argue that the two root words in arsenokoite are the same terms used to prohibit any premarital or extramarital sexual relations, so they may not refer to homosexual relations alone.
Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 are also debated among denominations and scholars.

Leviticus 18:22 - "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable." (NIV)

Leviticus 20:13 - "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads." (NIV)

While many Christian denominations and scholars believe these scriptures clearly condemn homosexuality, others believe that the Greek terms used were meant to describe the homosexual behavior present at Pagan temples.
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Romans 1 discusses how the people gave into their lust. Yet the meaning of the acts described are debated. Some see the passages as describing prostitution while others see it as a clear condemnation on homosexual behavior.

Romans 1:26-27 - "Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion."

Source (besides Bible):
http://christianteens.about.com/od/whatthebiblesaysabout/a/wbsaHomosexual.htm

Yes I did read the passages in the Bible, but since I am extremely shy I knew what I wanted to say but couldn't put it into words

 

[princessbella]

this is my two peneth worth, i dont beleive god created us to be gay, however their are biological and emotional factors what shape out sexuality and who we are attracted to, its not a simple clear cut case of choosing to be or not to be gay things shape our peronalities and who we are, a girl who has been abused by men might have such a fear of men that she will only choose a female as a sexual partner reject her femininity by choosing to be a man , in no way am i generalising but just making a point.
there seems to be alot of arguments started on here recently about homosexuality , maybe to specifically show christians to be biggotted and anti homosexual...

my responce is for all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, gods love covers a multitude of sins, im not saying covers up... but if our first responce is like jesus to the woman at the well, and mary magdeline to let them come to gods love and let him do the rest rather than our first responce to say you wont get into heaven, the truth is we are all sinners who didnt deserve gods grace, we sin every day big and small , how many christians in the church either strugle with porn and sexual sins or commit adultary, secretly if we cannot show acceptance support forgivness and grace to people outside the church who struggle with homosexuality or any other sin ow are we to do that with people in the church who secretly strugle with these issues but dont say for fear of beign rejected and people saying exactly what is been said in some of the threads...

in no way am i judging and condemning any of you who beleive homosexuality is a sin,
i dont beleive it is what god intended, this whole world as it is isnt what god intended...
however i beleive we live in a hirting world which the many addictions and sins and hatred are a direct responce to that hurt... so lets bring abit of jesus healing balm and try and meet people where they are, make them feel loved and good about themselves,

they are wanting answers and the answer you need to be cleaned up of your homosexuality before god will invite you in or accept you as that is what they are hearing is a direct condemnation on us, who recived gods grace while we were still sinners and still have along way to go and is what drives people away from the church.. jesus diluted nothing down, but he met peoples hurting hearts and wounded souls , set the captives free right where they were and gave them the acceptance what they were looking for...

 

[jimmydiggs]

I have actually found a passage in the Bible where Jesus is actually talking to a bisexual woman the way he would a normal man. He basically told her that he knew, but didn't say anything about her going to hell. The woman is either bisexual, or she is sleeping with a man that she isn't married to, which is a huge sin, and way bigger a sin, I might add, than homosexuality.

Not all sins are equal, and how do you know adultery is worse than Homosexuality? I would consider them somewhat equal, under OT law, both were punishable by death. Although homosexuality is reported as abominable.

No, all sins are not equal. We can quickly see this from Jesus' own words when he said in John 19:11, "You would have no authority over me, unless it had been given you from above; for this reason he who delivered me up to you has the greater sin."
Are all sins equal? Are some sins worse than others? | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry <--- click for more

16 He told her, "Go, call your husband and come back." 17 "I have no husband," she replied. Jesus said to her, "You are right when you say you have no husband. 18 The fact is, you have had five husbands, and the one you now have is not your husband. What you have just said is quite true."

This comes from John chapter 4. It's often referred to as "The Samaritan Woman".

1 Now Jesus learned that the Pharisees had heard that he was gaining and baptizing more disciples than John&#8212; 2 although in fact it was not Jesus who baptized, but his disciples. 3 So he left Judea and went back once more to Galilee.

4 Now he had to go through Samaria. 5 So he came to a town in Samaria called Sychar, near the plot of ground Jacob had given to his son Joseph. 6 Jacob&#8217;s well was there, and Jesus, tired as he was from the journey, sat down by the well. It was about noon.
7 When a Samaritan woman came to draw water, Jesus said to her, &#8220;Will you give me a drink?&#8221; 8 (His disciples had gone into the town to buy food.)
9 The Samaritan woman said to him, &#8220;You are a Jew and I am a Samaritan woman. How can you ask me for a drink?&#8221; (For Jews do not associate with Samaritans.[a])
10 Jesus answered her, &#8220;If you knew the gift of God and who it is that asks you for a drink, you would have asked him and he would have given you living water.&#8221;
11 &#8220;Sir,&#8221; the woman said, &#8220;you have nothing to draw with and the well is deep. Where can you get this living water? 12 Are you greater than our father Jacob, who gave us the well and drank from it himself, as did also his sons and his livestock?&#8221;
13 Jesus answered, &#8220;Everyone who drinks this water will be thirsty again, 14 but whoever drinks the water I give them will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give them will become in them a spring of water welling up to eternal life.&#8221;
15 The woman said to him, &#8220;Sir, give me this water so that I won&#8217;t get thirsty and have to keep coming here to draw water.&#8221;
16 He told her, &#8220;Go, call your husband and come back.&#8221;
17 &#8220;I have no husband,&#8221; she replied.
Jesus said to her, &#8220;You are right when you say you have no husband. 18 The fact is, you have had five husbands, and the man you now have is not your husband. What you have just said is quite true.&#8221;
19 &#8220;Sir,&#8221; the woman said, &#8220;I can see that you are a prophet. 20 Our ancestors worshiped on this mountain, but you Jews claim that the place where we must worship is in Jerusalem.&#8221;
21 &#8220;Woman,&#8221; Jesus replied, &#8220;believe me, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. 22 You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.&#8221;
25 The woman said, &#8220;I know that Messiah&#8221; (called Christ) &#8220;is coming. When he comes, he will explain everything to us.&#8221; 26 Then Jesus declared, &#8220;I, the one speaking to you&#8212;I am he.&#8221;

I added emphasis to the portion you bring forth. It is clearly about heterosexual adultery.

And the quotes about homosexuality being a sin, did you just read the quotes or the context around it? Most of the quotes, if not all, are talking about either homosexual rape or prostitution. Read into the context a little more. When you gave me those verses I went in and actually read, and they were either about homosexual prostitution or rape:

Are you looking for what the bible has to say, or what you want the bible to say?

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."

While the scripture may sound clear, the debate actually surrounds the use of the Greek word that this particular version of the Bible translates as "homosexual offenders." The term is "arsenokoite." Some say that it is a reference to male prostitutes rather than to two committed homosexuals. Yet, others argue that Paul, who wrote the passage, would not have repeated "male prostitutes" twice. Even others argue that the two root words in arsenokoite are the same terms used to prohibit any premarital or extramarital sexual relations, so they may not refer to homosexual relations alone.

I'll be using a lot of what I have posted on another thread on this thread here, you can see the post I am taking it from here.
http://christianchat.com/christian-young-adults-forum/15781-gay-christian-16.html#post412157 <-- click

FSUboy brought up the same passages you did. I will give you my response to him.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall..." KJV - Online Bible Study <--- see 1 cor 6:9-10

The KJV New Testament Greek Lexicon
Strong's Number: 733
Original Word Word Origin
ajrsenokoivthß from (730) and (2845)
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Arsenokoites None
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
ar-sen-ok-oy'-tace Noun Masculine

Definition
one who lies with a male as with a female, sodomite, homosexual


King James Word Usage - Total: 2
abuser of (one's) self with mankind 1, defile (one's) self with mankind 1

Arsenokoites - New Testament Greek Lexicon - King James Version <--- click to see for yourself

Romans 1 discusses how the people gave into their lust. Yet the meaning of the acts described are debated. Some see the passages as describing prostitution while others see it as a clear condemnation on homosexual behavior.

Romans 1:26-27 - "Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion."

The Romans passage is a bit difficult for me, as it is a combination of words instead of one word to get to the point of the passage.

The consistancy however of the various translations we have, which were done at different times, by different people, with different manuscripts. It appears to me the conistancy appeals to authenticity.

Also, as I've highlighted, the passage is speaking in a general male-male lust, and not specifically prostitution.

Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 are also debated among denominations and scholars.

Leviticus 18:22 - "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable." (NIV)

Leviticus 20:13 - "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads." (NIV)

Leviticus 18:22 "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with..." KJV - Online Bible Study <--- click for leviticus 18:22

Tow`ebah - Old Testament Hebrew Lexicon - King James Version <---- click for translated word for Abomination

The KJV Old Testament Hebrew Lexicon
Strong's Number: 08441
Original Word Word Origin
hb[wt act part of (08581)
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Tow`ebah TWOT - 2530a
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
to-ay-baw' Noun Feminine

Definition
a disgusting thing, abomination, abominable
in ritual sense (of unclean food, idols, mixed marriages)
in ethical sense (of wickedness etc)


King James Word Usage - Total: 117
abomination 113, abominable thing 2, abominable 2

Also, I ask you to remember that almost all of Leviticus 18 is condemnation of various Sexual Relations.

While many Christian denominations and scholars believe these scriptures clearly condemn homosexuality, others believe that the Greek terms used were meant to describe the homosexual behavior present at Pagan temples.

Try comparing your Pagan temple sex with everything else in the list.

Unlawful Sexual Relations

1 The LORD said to Moses, 2 &#8220;Speak to the Israelites and say to them: &#8216;I am the LORD your God. 3 You must not do as they do in Egypt, where you used to live, and you must not do as they do in the land of Canaan, where I am bringing you. Do not follow their practices. 4 You must obey my laws and be careful to follow my decrees. I am the LORD your God. 5 Keep my decrees and laws, for the person who obeys them will live by them. I am the LORD.

6 &#8220;&#8216;No one is to approach any close relative to have sexual relations. I am the LORD.
7 &#8220;&#8216;Do not dishonor your father by having sexual relations with your mother. She is your mother; do not have relations with her.
8 &#8220;&#8216;Do not have sexual relations with your father&#8217;s wife; that would dishonor your father.
9 &#8220;&#8216;Do not have sexual relations with your sister, either your father&#8217;s daughter or your mother&#8217;s daughter, whether she was born in the same home or elsewhere.
10 &#8220;&#8216;Do not have sexual relations with your son&#8217;s daughter or your daughter&#8217;s daughter; that would dishonor you.
11 &#8220;&#8216;Do not have sexual relations with the daughter of your father&#8217;s wife, born to your father; she is your sister.
12 &#8220;&#8216;Do not have sexual relations with your father&#8217;s sister; she is your father&#8217;s close relative.
13 &#8220;&#8216;Do not have sexual relations with your mother&#8217;s sister, because she is your mother&#8217;s close relative.
14 &#8220;&#8216;Do not dishonor your father&#8217;s brother by approaching his wife to have sexual relations; she is your aunt.
15 &#8220;&#8216;Do not have sexual relations with your daughter-in-law. She is your son&#8217;s wife; do not have relations with her.
16 &#8220;&#8216;Do not have sexual relations with your brother&#8217;s wife; that would dishonor your brother.
17 &#8220;&#8216;Do not have sexual relations with both a woman and her daughter. Do not have sexual relations with either her son&#8217;s daughter or her daughter&#8217;s daughter; they are her close relatives. That is wickedness.
18 &#8220;&#8216;Do not take your wife&#8217;s sister as a rival wife and have sexual relations with her while your wife is living.
19 &#8220;&#8216;Do not approach a woman to have sexual relations during the uncleanness of her monthly period.
20 &#8220;&#8216;Do not have sexual relations with your neighbor&#8217;s wife and defile yourself with her.
21 &#8220;&#8216;Do not give any of your children to be sacrificed to Molek(Note from Diggs: Molek is a pagan god), for you must not profane the name of your God. I am the LORD.
22 &#8220;&#8216;Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable. 23 &#8220;&#8216;Do not have sexual relations with an animal and defile yourself with it. A woman must not present herself to an animal to have sexual relations with it; that is a perversion.
24 &#8220;&#8216;Do not defile yourselves in any of these ways, because this is how the nations that I am going to drive out before you became defiled. 25 Even the land was defiled; so I punished it for its sin, and the land vomited out its inhabitants. 26 But you must keep my decrees and my laws. The native-born and the foreigners residing among you must not do any of these detestable things, 27 for all these things were done by the people who lived in the land before you, and the land became defiled. 28 And if you defile the land, it will vomit you out as it vomited out the nations that were before you.

Apparently the other nations participated in what verse 22 is describing. The passage is dealing with sexual relations except in one verse. That verse mentions sacrifice, not sexual relations. It is the only mention of anything related to a temple.

Source (besides Bible):
Bible Verses on Homosexuality - What the Bible Says - Christian Teens - Homosexuality

Your website also addresses Sodom and Gomorrah. I'm running low on available charachters for this post, so I will let you read more about it here.

Christianity and Homosexuality | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry <--- click for more

Yes I did read the passages in the Bible, but since I am extremely shy I knew what I wanted to say but couldn't put it into words

If honest, that's quite alright.
I think I address your points, please do point out where you feel I have responded insufficiently.

For extra reading...
Stand to Reason: Video Commentary - Did Jesus Condemn Homosexuality? <--- click
Stand to Reason Blog: The Bible on Homosexuality (Video) <--- click
Stand to Reason: Homosexuality: Know the Truth and Speak It With Compassion <--- click
Stand to Reason: Paul, Romans, & Homosexuality <--- click
Stand to Reason: What was the Sin of Sodom and Gomorrah? <--- click
Apologetics Press - Does the Bible Approve of Homosexuality? <--- click
The Bible and Homosexuality <--- click
Apologetics Press - An Investigation of the Biblical Evidence Against Homosexuality <--- click
Apologetics Press - Questions and Answers: Leviticus 18:22 and Homosexuality <--- click


Hopefully I've covered it fairly well. Do point out flaws. I appreciate it.

 

[jimmydiggs]

there seems to be alot of arguments started on here recently about homosexuality , maybe to specifically show christians to be biggotted and anti homosexual...

Anti-bigotry in and of itself becomes bigotry.

Definition of BIGOT

: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance

As far as the rest that you posted, I condemn out-right rejection of those trapped in sin. I just don't care for justifying sinful acts. I wouldn't run around trying to justify lust so I could continue, because I know the bible speaks very clearly on that matter.

 

[soldierofchrist4ever24]

"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them" (Leviticus 20:13).

I researched and found that there are only six verses in the Bible that say anything about homosexuality, but there's one. It IS a sin according to the Bible and I believe it is. Whether you choose to believe it or not is your choice. But you did ask for proof, and we are giving it to you. You cannot deny that there is no proof from the Bible that confirms it is a sin.



No, TheJesusFreak did not say that God wouldn't let someone that was homo/bi-sexual into Heaven, the word of God says this clearly. Also, if God condems homosexuality so much, why do you think He would create people that way? He doesn't create people who are that way, they choose this path. God is not a mind controller, but gave us a free will and a mind that WE use to make our OWN choices.

"Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men" (1 Corinthians 6:9).



First of all, that can be true or false depending on the circumstances and the personality of the child. It has absolutely nothing to do with genes. Some children raised by gay parents grow up choosing to be straight, while others choose to do what their parents do. But like I said, it's a choice that YOU make.
Proof, if any, of homosexuality being inherited or people being "born that way" is just an excuse people make because of what they want instead of what is moral according to the word of God. How do you know they weren't making it up even if they told you the whole process? They are the scientists, and you are not. They can make up anything that people who dont have the experience as them will believe out of trust because they are titled as "scientists," or because they use big complicated scientific words.



First, It's not just a book, it's THE book that holds the commandments of God. As Christians, we are to follow the Bible and not conform to the ways of this world. We dont just depend on it, but we seek it for advice, comfort, and wisdom.
Second, it's not the Book that tells us how to live, it's God Himself guiding us on how to live. God spoke through the people who wrote what is in the Bible, meaning these are the words not of the people who wrote them, but of God. So its not just a book, it's the words of the Lord.

AMEN Sister.
In Christ Brother Travis

 

[EverlastingChange]

I know your only 14, but why would you want to come onto a Christian based website basically foreknowing our opinions on homosexuality/bisexuality and then engage debates with 5 or 6 people at once and trying to tell them they are all wrong. Do you really expect to get anywhere with this? There is already countless threads on these exact kind of questions in the forums. If anything it would have done you far greater good to read the literally thousands of posts with people debating on those types of threads, for and against the whole "is homosexuality right or wrong?". There's just too much of this exact same question being posted in a different style of wording over and over again.

The tragic part is We all seem to flood this question. This one always has the most views and most posts. Genuine, knowledgeable Christians spending all their time writing decent biblical reasons why it is wrong repeatedly. All were doing is telling this person why there wrong in a 101 different ways. Do you really expect anyone to suddenly drop their belief in something they hold so strongly to in that way? Were giving these people what they want - an argument, and not what they need - Prayer.

If we must engage debate why not first look to see how many people have answered the question rightly, and instead of repeating what they basically already said in different ways - Leave those few people to discuss it with the original poster, and pray for there eyes to be opened as to why it is wrong through those who are discussing it with the OP. If we could do this I'm certain we would see far better results.

Were like a bunch of kid's in a classroom when the teacher asks a question everybody in the room knows, so we all just started shouting it out at the same time. All were doing is frustrating the OP with the amount of people disagreeing with her, and she basically switches off and goes into self-defence mode. Hence why these questions and more so the answers are never ending and from what I've seen ultimately ending bitterly.

Please if there is already a substantial number of people discussing this question with the OP, rather than jumping on aboard, get on your knee's and pray for this young girl, I will be.