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I'm stunned.
This statement of yours is damaging to the body of Christ. You are potentially nullifying a person's witness to others, by wrongfully labeling them as "a wolf in sheep's clothing" and "their wicked spirit". Born again believers have the Holy Spirit dwelling in them, why is it you accuse a person of having a different spirit? This is blasphemy.
If God is for us who can be against us.
Earl, I began walking with and talking with God at 4 years old. At 4 years old I actually had that kind of faith that he was real and I loved looking at him and speaking to him. In took my having to go through many struggles due to be battered by life, sexually molested four times as a child, learning that this life can heap hideous evils upon a person and not yet being equipped with the knowledge and wisdom to know how to deal with it. But all through the many things I suffered I never gave up on God and he never gave up on me.
I have been intimate with God so long and suffered in so many ways to get to know him, never doubting him, that what you see and falsely interpret to be false pride in me is in reality just that I cannot deny that intimate relationship I have with God whether or not anyone chooses to believe that I do know God and his ways that well.
For the fact is that I do know him and to deny that is to deny his faithful friendship with me since at least 4 years of age which is unexplainable as my family never went to church and little was spoken of God but by my father who as an atheist claimed that he was a fairy tale.
I cannot explain to you why he chose to be with me at 4 years old and to comfort me through much abuse or even how I automatically knew that it was him and immediately began speaking to and communicating with him. But I did.
You have no way to know that God has made certain I know his Son, my brother.
Romans 8:29 "For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren."
I have been intimate with God so long and suffered in so many ways to get to know him, never doubting him, that what you see and falsely interpret to be false pride in me is in reality just that I cannot deny that intimate relationship I have with God whether or not anyone chooses to believe that I do know God and his ways that well.
For the fact is that I do know him and to deny that is to deny his faithful friendship with me since at least 4 years of age which is unexplainable as my family never went to church and little was spoken of God but by my father who as an atheist claimed that he was a fairy tale.
I cannot explain to you why he chose to be with me at 4 years old and to comfort me through much abuse or even how I automatically knew that it was him and immediately began speaking to and communicating with him. But I did.
You have no way to know that God has made certain I know his Son, my brother.
Romans 8:29 "For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren."
It is damaging to the false body of Christ; the man of sin, son of perdition standing in the temple of God teaching people that God merely covers over their sin but that they cannot help but to sin so that they continue to do so; deprived of ever being taught the true power of faith's work in them by keeping them ignorant of how it works.
Early... You think Jesus' work stopped at the cross? Nope, only the cleansing (Purification) part is done with the cross.... The making perfect happens AFTR the cleansing... Look at the process...
Called-Justified-Glorified....Rom 8.
God calls, God justify, and God glorify...
I am not english but I reckon
Called... God calls us to be saints...Rom 1.
Justified... The Cross and the DIEING TO OLD MAN...
Glorified- to make GODLY.. WOW! This has to be perfect... If God's Glory is not perfect, then I agree with all the false statements... Nobody can be perfect...
But since we KNOW God's glory is perfect, EVERY ONE GOD GLORiFIES WITH HIS SPIRIT IS PERFECT, EVEN AS GOD IS PERFECT..
God completes EVERY child of Him here on earth...PERFECTLY. That is what teh Bible teaches, that is why God commanded... Matthew 5:48... Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
God knew He is the perfector of EVERY ONE HE SAVES WITH ...BORN OF GOD!!!!
Called-Justified-Glorified....Rom 8.
God calls, God justify, and God glorify...
I am not english but I reckon
Called... God calls us to be saints...Rom 1.
Justified... The Cross and the DIEING TO OLD MAN...
Glorified- to make GODLY.. WOW! This has to be perfect... If God's Glory is not perfect, then I agree with all the false statements... Nobody can be perfect...
But since we KNOW God's glory is perfect, EVERY ONE GOD GLORiFIES WITH HIS SPIRIT IS PERFECT, EVEN AS GOD IS PERFECT..
God completes EVERY child of Him here on earth...PERFECTLY. That is what teh Bible teaches, that is why God commanded... Matthew 5:48... Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
God knew He is the perfector of EVERY ONE HE SAVES WITH ...BORN OF GOD!!!!
My brother I am in tears. I am so sorry that i accused you. I can hardly type cause of my sobbing. My story is that at 12 years old I was saved and by the time I was twenty I had turned my back on God. I ended up smoking pot and drinking. The drinking really took hold of me and until I found Romans 7 and the cross. Then I was set free. I love you brother.
M
This is what I'm speaking of when I mentioned that God can speak to us even before we have opened a bible.
I was hoping some would understand this without having to be given proof
I also remember the Lord speaking to me first starting at 6yrs of age and even moreso when I was 8 with him being the one instilling in me his principles more than either of my parents.
I wouldnt have known how to read a bible since I was still reading
"Clifford the Dog"
Some people the Lord has made himself known to BEFORE any of the struggles or trials that happen that cause us to call upon his name for guidance.
And this doesnt make anybody more or less special.
Its just the happening of the time in ones life when God makes himself known, for whatever reason is different for some than others.
I do know when I was 8 I had a better relationship with him than when I was a teen at 14.
When he quickly called me back from starting to become lost though, I was able to recall upon that previous relationship with him to realize what was happening.
It was then at 14 I began to get into his word to prevent becoming lost from ever happening again.
Not everyone requires a life changing near death or Damascus road experience to begin knowing or seeking the Lord.
A person doesn't need struggles and trials and temptations for the Lord to be guiding them. He is there for all of it the good stuff too.
Thank you for sharing your experience Kardia
I was hoping some would understand this without having to be given proof
I also remember the Lord speaking to me first starting at 6yrs of age and even moreso when I was 8 with him being the one instilling in me his principles more than either of my parents.
I wouldnt have known how to read a bible since I was still reading
"Clifford the Dog"
Some people the Lord has made himself known to BEFORE any of the struggles or trials that happen that cause us to call upon his name for guidance.
And this doesnt make anybody more or less special.
Its just the happening of the time in ones life when God makes himself known, for whatever reason is different for some than others.
I do know when I was 8 I had a better relationship with him than when I was a teen at 14.
When he quickly called me back from starting to become lost though, I was able to recall upon that previous relationship with him to realize what was happening.
It was then at 14 I began to get into his word to prevent becoming lost from ever happening again.
Not everyone requires a life changing near death or Damascus road experience to begin knowing or seeking the Lord.
A person doesn't need struggles and trials and temptations for the Lord to be guiding them. He is there for all of it the good stuff too.
Thank you for sharing your experience Kardia
This is what I'm speaking of when I mentioned that God can speak to us even before we have opened a bible.
I was hoping some would understand this without having to be given proof
I also remember the Lord speaking to me first starting at 6yrs of age and even moreso when I was 8 with him being the one instilling in me his principles more than either of my parents.
I wouldnt have known how to read a bible since I was still reading
"Clifford the Dog"
Some people the Lord has made himself known to BEFORE any of the struggles or trials that happen that cause us to call upon his name for guidance.
And this doesnt make anybody more or less special.
Its just the happening of the time in ones life when God makes himself known, for whatever reason is different for some than others.
I do know when I was 8 I had a better relationship with him than when I was a teen at 14.
When he quickly called me back from starting to become lost though, I was able to recall upon that previous relationship with him to realize what was happening.
It was then at 14 I began to get into his word to prevent becoming lost from ever happening again.
Not everyone requires a life changing near death or Damascus road experience to begin knowing or seeking the Lord.
A person doesn't need struggles and trials and temptations for the Lord to be guiding them. He is there for all of it the good stuff too.
Thank you for sharing your experience Kardia
I was hoping some would understand this without having to be given proof
I also remember the Lord speaking to me first starting at 6yrs of age and even moreso when I was 8 with him being the one instilling in me his principles more than either of my parents.
I wouldnt have known how to read a bible since I was still reading
"Clifford the Dog"
Some people the Lord has made himself known to BEFORE any of the struggles or trials that happen that cause us to call upon his name for guidance.
And this doesnt make anybody more or less special.
Its just the happening of the time in ones life when God makes himself known, for whatever reason is different for some than others.
I do know when I was 8 I had a better relationship with him than when I was a teen at 14.
When he quickly called me back from starting to become lost though, I was able to recall upon that previous relationship with him to realize what was happening.
It was then at 14 I began to get into his word to prevent becoming lost from ever happening again.
Not everyone requires a life changing near death or Damascus road experience to begin knowing or seeking the Lord.
A person doesn't need struggles and trials and temptations for the Lord to be guiding them. He is there for all of it the good stuff too.
Thank you for sharing your experience Kardia
I really love your post about it.
Have to run and get my grand babies off to school.
God bless and see ya later
U
Let not your heart be troubled. Neither let it be afraid
2 Corinthians 12:9-10
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.
2 Corinthians 12:9-10
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.
The answer to your one, repeated, question is simple. The Father's will is most definitely done in Heaven, Yeshua teaches all this by virtue of the words He gave us to pray.
As for God talking to individuals without having read the Bible, I know He does and will.
It is written that in the last days many will hold the form of religion while denying the power of God. I see this every day in some surprising places.
As for God talking to individuals without having read the Bible, I know He does and will.
It is written that in the last days many will hold the form of religion while denying the power of God. I see this every day in some surprising places.
We are saved by Faith
Faith is the requiring factor
How many times did Jesus say
"your Faith has healed you"
This isn't to take away the magnificence of what Jesus did
What he did was provide salvation for all willing to believe in him
Both for those with unsurrmountable faith
and those of little faith who may struggle
But let us be reminded there were no scriptures written before Moses
What of those people before him?
They too were sanctified by their Faith
Why was Abel approved of
Faith
We have many examples of how Faith in God manifested with Christ working through that person before Christ ever even walked the earth as a man.
Christ was already here before showing up in the flesh
God spoke and people listened
They had a real live one on one relationshop with God without a book
Not that Gods word should be omitted but look at the facts showing that a relationship can and has been present without having to rely strictly on a book as the relationship. Its inside not on the outside.
If you didn't have eyes to read how would you know God?
If you didn't have ears to hear how would you hear his voice?
It's inside.
The relationship is not something to be held or taken away by a thief or burned in a fire or to be removed if our senses our stripped away.
The written scriptures help us when we may have a difficult time hearing him.
They accomplish and lay a strong foundation to be built upon.
We should always check ourselves against scripture when something seems out of place.
But God wouldnt lay a foundation to not build upon it.
I tell you the truth that God speaks to people before they have ever even opened a bible.
And afterward yes we know it takes the discipline to go and read what God is saying. But theres more to the relationship than just Gods word in a book.
It can also be written upon our hearts.
Christ didn't ascend to heaven to leave us to fend for ourselves.
Genesis tells us of how Abraham believed God through Faith and that was all it took to credit him with righteousness
Noah
Job
Had the relationship with the God in spirit more than a relationship in words written down.
This is what we're speaking of
Should a person have to open their bible every single time to hear Gods voice?
Must it be this way?
if that is what it takes then fine
But it can be more than just that as well
I agree with you Early that one must seek God after he has been called
Seek him with all his might and all his being
seek his word because even as Christ may speak to us in spirit we still must couple that with the scriptures.
But something is being overlooked by a few people who don't yet understand
Some people are asking for proof as if Christ needs to reprove himself.
Something is not being completely understood yet
A relationship with Christ is not just one thing
It is everything in unison
A culmination of everything you know, everything you do, everything you accomplish your will in line with Gods will, any knowledge and wisdom offered by God any skills he has blessed you with
EVERYTHING linked together not seperately but all at once in harmony with God.
Were told of Gods promises yet I still see many people binding themselves?
Where are we told this?
No where?
We are told all things are possible
Christ said if we had even the slightest amount of faith we could command a mountain to move
Is this Metaphorical or physical?
Or are people still limiting themselves as well as placing limits on what God can accomplish through them. According to his will and purpose of course which is I think where people can mislead themselves. God doesnt accomplish what we command him, but we can accomplish what God commands of us.
Probably moreso when we stop thinking and worrying about ourselves and our own salvation once it is accounted for.
Who says we are limited except the enemy?
The enemy is the one who has been bound
The enemy is the one who wants us to follow him as well
The enemy is the one who convinces us to doubt Faith in our Savior.
And if it is true that Christ has already conquered the enemy and Christ lives inside each and every one of us
Why believe inability when Christ gives the power to overcome?
Christ can accomplish the same through you as he accomplished himself
And no its not making oneself equal to him.
It is having Faith in him.
Christ did everything by the power of the Father
Not of himself
Christ was a man when he came down just like you and me and had no special powers other than that which was by the father.
He was flesh and blood in every way until he was translated upon his ressurection into his everlasting form.
The difference is, he listened to, consulted with and sought the fathers will every second of every moment of every day.
You can too so don't think otherwise or its just a cop out and an excuse.
What about believers prior to the cross and ressurection. What did they believe?
Did they understand the big picture?
No, because it was all a progression of beginning to the end.
The knowledge we have today is a culmination of everything built upon from what we've experienced and been told from the beginning.
Today we have more revelation of the big picture than even the disciplies of Christs day as we are in the times the prophets spoke of as we see the messages of the end unfolding.
We're actually living in one of the most significant times in history.
Value, cherish and embrace this and make a difference.
Have great Faith in what Christ may accomplish through you.
Don't diminish that as if he died and never rose again.
If it is By Faith, because of the Fathers grace
That is not from ourselves but a gift of the Father
Then I would suggest people need to accept that heavenly gift of faith as opposed to relying on their own faith which can be weak.
If anyone sins and they hate it then thats a good start. But the work isnt finished yet. The Romans 7 man was a work in progress.
We are told what sin is to recognise it.
We are told why we sin so we understand why we do it
We are told how to overcome it so as to not remain in it.
We are told these things as a progression like learning Addition and subtraction before Algebrae so we have a building block of solid understandstanding.
Much like a counsellor points things out to be revealed from an outside perspective looking in which hadn't been seen before.
Christ told us he would be sending The Counsellor.
Why should we be subject to(place ourselves under authority) of the enemy or be bound by him to sin when we are told we have been freed from the slavery of sin and are now a slave to righteousness.
I asked someone a question previously and they declined answering
I'll offer it again...is the Father's will done in heaven?
Easy question, since of course the answer is yes.
But gosh it feels like sometimes we have to start at basics all over again to build those precepts upon precepts.
Next question then, Is the Fathers will done on earth?
Christ himself prayed that the Fathers will be done on earth as it is in heaven
So again, we must conclude by Faith that answer is yes, the Fathers will is done on earth as well as in heaven.
Next 2 questions
1. Would God allow sin in heaven?
2. Does more than just God reside in heaven
Faith is the requiring factor
How many times did Jesus say
"your Faith has healed you"
This isn't to take away the magnificence of what Jesus did
What he did was provide salvation for all willing to believe in him
Both for those with unsurrmountable faith
and those of little faith who may struggle
But let us be reminded there were no scriptures written before Moses
What of those people before him?
They too were sanctified by their Faith
Why was Abel approved of
Faith
We have many examples of how Faith in God manifested with Christ working through that person before Christ ever even walked the earth as a man.
Christ was already here before showing up in the flesh
God spoke and people listened
They had a real live one on one relationshop with God without a book
Not that Gods word should be omitted but look at the facts showing that a relationship can and has been present without having to rely strictly on a book as the relationship. Its inside not on the outside.
If you didn't have eyes to read how would you know God?
If you didn't have ears to hear how would you hear his voice?
It's inside.
The relationship is not something to be held or taken away by a thief or burned in a fire or to be removed if our senses our stripped away.
The written scriptures help us when we may have a difficult time hearing him.
They accomplish and lay a strong foundation to be built upon.
We should always check ourselves against scripture when something seems out of place.
But God wouldnt lay a foundation to not build upon it.
I tell you the truth that God speaks to people before they have ever even opened a bible.
And afterward yes we know it takes the discipline to go and read what God is saying. But theres more to the relationship than just Gods word in a book.
It can also be written upon our hearts.
Christ didn't ascend to heaven to leave us to fend for ourselves.
Genesis tells us of how Abraham believed God through Faith and that was all it took to credit him with righteousness
Noah
Job
Had the relationship with the God in spirit more than a relationship in words written down.
This is what we're speaking of
Should a person have to open their bible every single time to hear Gods voice?
Must it be this way?
if that is what it takes then fine
But it can be more than just that as well
I agree with you Early that one must seek God after he has been called
Seek him with all his might and all his being
seek his word because even as Christ may speak to us in spirit we still must couple that with the scriptures.
But something is being overlooked by a few people who don't yet understand
Some people are asking for proof as if Christ needs to reprove himself.
Something is not being completely understood yet
A relationship with Christ is not just one thing
It is everything in unison
A culmination of everything you know, everything you do, everything you accomplish your will in line with Gods will, any knowledge and wisdom offered by God any skills he has blessed you with
EVERYTHING linked together not seperately but all at once in harmony with God.
Were told of Gods promises yet I still see many people binding themselves?
Where are we told this?
No where?
We are told all things are possible
Christ said if we had even the slightest amount of faith we could command a mountain to move
Is this Metaphorical or physical?
Or are people still limiting themselves as well as placing limits on what God can accomplish through them. According to his will and purpose of course which is I think where people can mislead themselves. God doesnt accomplish what we command him, but we can accomplish what God commands of us.
Probably moreso when we stop thinking and worrying about ourselves and our own salvation once it is accounted for.
Who says we are limited except the enemy?
The enemy is the one who has been bound
The enemy is the one who wants us to follow him as well
The enemy is the one who convinces us to doubt Faith in our Savior.
And if it is true that Christ has already conquered the enemy and Christ lives inside each and every one of us
Why believe inability when Christ gives the power to overcome?
Christ can accomplish the same through you as he accomplished himself
And no its not making oneself equal to him.
It is having Faith in him.
Christ did everything by the power of the Father
Not of himself
Christ was a man when he came down just like you and me and had no special powers other than that which was by the father.
He was flesh and blood in every way until he was translated upon his ressurection into his everlasting form.
The difference is, he listened to, consulted with and sought the fathers will every second of every moment of every day.
You can too so don't think otherwise or its just a cop out and an excuse.
What about believers prior to the cross and ressurection. What did they believe?
Did they understand the big picture?
No, because it was all a progression of beginning to the end.
The knowledge we have today is a culmination of everything built upon from what we've experienced and been told from the beginning.
Today we have more revelation of the big picture than even the disciplies of Christs day as we are in the times the prophets spoke of as we see the messages of the end unfolding.
We're actually living in one of the most significant times in history.
Value, cherish and embrace this and make a difference.
Have great Faith in what Christ may accomplish through you.
Don't diminish that as if he died and never rose again.
If it is By Faith, because of the Fathers grace
That is not from ourselves but a gift of the Father
Then I would suggest people need to accept that heavenly gift of faith as opposed to relying on their own faith which can be weak.
If anyone sins and they hate it then thats a good start. But the work isnt finished yet. The Romans 7 man was a work in progress.
We are told what sin is to recognise it.
We are told why we sin so we understand why we do it
We are told how to overcome it so as to not remain in it.
We are told these things as a progression like learning Addition and subtraction before Algebrae so we have a building block of solid understandstanding.
Much like a counsellor points things out to be revealed from an outside perspective looking in which hadn't been seen before.
Christ told us he would be sending The Counsellor.
Why should we be subject to(place ourselves under authority) of the enemy or be bound by him to sin when we are told we have been freed from the slavery of sin and are now a slave to righteousness.
I asked someone a question previously and they declined answering
I'll offer it again...is the Father's will done in heaven?
Easy question, since of course the answer is yes.
But gosh it feels like sometimes we have to start at basics all over again to build those precepts upon precepts.
Next question then, Is the Fathers will done on earth?
Christ himself prayed that the Fathers will be done on earth as it is in heaven
So again, we must conclude by Faith that answer is yes, the Fathers will is done on earth as well as in heaven.
Next 2 questions
1. Would God allow sin in heaven?
2. Does more than just God reside in heaven