Do you believe in the Gap Theory ?

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john832

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the gap theory (another gap...:rolleyes:) is also the seedbed for this (some variations have US/WE being pre-existent spirit beings dropped into human bodies in a kind of Dispensation/or Earth Age that is purgatory-like....we're kind of here to "fix" the fact the WE were the sons of God/angels who rebelled back there IN THE BEGINNING, and God kinda had to start over - or summink):





Pre-Adamite hypothesis or Preadamism is a hypothesis within theology that humans existed before Adam. This theoretical assumption is contrary to beliefs describing Adam as the first human, as stated in the Bible and the Qur'an. The theory of Preadamism is therefore distinct from the conventional religious belief that Adam was the first human. Preadamism has a long history, probably having its origins in early pagan responses to Abrahamic claims regarding the origins of the human race.

Advocates of this hypothesis are known as "pre-Adamites", as are the humans believed by them to have existed before Adam.

Non-racist pre-Adamite theories have also been held by a number of mainstream Christians such as the Congregational evangelist R.A. Torrey (1856–1928), who believed in the Gap Theory and that Pre-Adamites had survived into the present day. He thus advocated the belief in a local Flood.

More recently, these ideas have been promoted by Kathryn Kuhlman and Derek Prince among the Pentecostals, John Stott among the Anglicans, and Old Earth creationist Hugh Ross.[20]

Immanuel Velikovsky was a believer in Pre-Adamism. He wrote a book called In the Beginning. In the book, Velikovsky describes catastrophes which had occurred before those described in his first book, Worlds in Collision. In the first section of the book, his chapter titled The Pre-Adamite Age discusses Pre-Adamism. He wrote that the "talmudic-rabbinical tradition believed that before Adam was created, the world was more than once inhabited and more than once destroyed". Moreover, he wrote that according to the evidence from many different traditions, Adam and Eve were not a single human pair and there must have been many of them.[21]

Pre-Adamite - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
So, from what you have posted, you believe that the universe is 6000 years old?
 
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I almost feel we're still in the process of being created. Obviously we haven't yet reached our full potential, or the potential God wants for us, so doesn't that also represent a creation process?
2 Corinthians 3:18 (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
 
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jerusalem

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there were in fact other intelligent beings with which humans could and did intermingle as stated in Genesis 6:1-4. they weren't human however nor were they apish intermediary humanoids.
 
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Kerry

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I know this is of subject, but it does pertain to the subject. I don't believe we existed before we were born. That would be reincarnation or whats that saying oh yes karma. But where do think demon spirits came from. They are clearly not fallen angels. Nowhere in the bible does it say that a person was possessed by a fallen angel. But by either unclean spirits or demon spirits so where did they come from. Are they something that God created just so satan could have his minions. I don't think so.

Though there is not much biblical light. I go with the theory that there was something going on here on earth. Satan, then Lucifer, had dominion over this work. Then when he rebelled against God, not only did he take 1/3 of the angels with him, but also the beings of earth at that time. God destroyed it with a flood. These beings became demon spirits. Jeremiah and 2 peter hint at this time as well as genesis 1. It doesn't make much difference anyhow. The fact is that today, we must accept the work of Christ on the cross and if we do, we don't have to worry about such things. Keep leaning on Him.
 
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Kerry

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Again dry land was not created. On the third day God said let waters be gathered unto one place and LET dry land appear. It was the third day. Which is significant, the third day.
 
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enoch1nine

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Tense has been messed up. Not a modern day reader's fault.

1 In the beginning God is creating the heaven and the earth.

He started, and is still creating, and from a certain perspective, finished, all at once.
"Was, is and is to come"

[SUP]2 [/SUP]And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God is moving upon the face of the waters.


And it's about your heart and mind, not just the physical earth.
"And the heavens and the earth are completed, and all their host"

Host means it has the aforementioned things inside of it.
He is Lord of hosts, He's inside things, primarily His people.
 

Bookends

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actually you can't accept an old earth without contradicting the biblical creation account in some way...and furthermore you can't be an old earth creationist without contradicting the 'science' you were trying to reconcile with the bible in the first place...

old earth creationism is really just a new mythology that contradicts both the bible and 'science'
Well I never studied Mythology so I didn't get it from there. All I'm suggesting is that there could be a gap between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2 when God started to move and where He chose to manifest His presence. I'll have to gather up more facts in order to continue this, besides what our observation of the universe clearly tells us. However, I with you'd address the harder question that I presented using Romans 1:20 in that God's attributes are clearly seen by His creation. Thus if the universe appears very old, then is one of God's attributes one of deception?

I would also like to ask, if you drew a Big circle and say that in this circle contains all the knowledge of God (if possible), how much of this circle do you think you know about Him? 1/2 the circle? a 3rd? a speck? I would suggest we all know a tiny fraction of a speck. So how do we know what has done, can do, will do, in regards to the things we aren't told outside of His Word?
 
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GreenNnice

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Tense has been messed up. Not a modern day reader's fault.

1 In the beginning God is creating the heaven and the earth.

He started, and is still creating, and from a certain perspective, finished, all at once.
"Was, is and is to come"

[SUP]2 [/SUP]And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God is moving upon the face of the waters.


And it's about your heart and mind, not just the physical earth.
"And the heavens and the earth are completed, and all their host"

Host means it has the aforementioned things inside of it.
He is Lord of hosts, He's inside things, primarily His people.
Created. Moved .
 
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Yes, I definitely believe that the earth is not 6000 year old but billions of years old. Scientists have proven it many many times. There is really a big gap between Gen. 1: verse 1 and 2. And this was before adam. Have you noticed that verse 1 is creation and verse 2 is destruction, for it says " was WITHOUT FORM and VOID". What caused it this way(without form and void)? Clearly it was being destroyed !! The The answer of dinosaurs,pre-historic elephant(mammoth) and other inhabitants which were already here before the destruction occurs.

This is also one of the main reason why many skeptics rejected the Bible because there are a lot of ignorant christians who don't know what they are saying about and kept insisting that the earth is 6000 years old when it's not. There are a lot of evidence regarding this matter that earth is not 6000 but billions.

This is vast subject that i cannot express it here, one day Im gunna make a thread about this.
 

Bookends

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this really isn't all that amazing...or irrational...when you think about it...

young earth creationists recognize the -huge- implications of a global flood...including the fact that it would completely disrupt the vast majority of scientific dating methods when applied to things from the flood and the pre flood era...whereas the much more mundane post flood era is much more conducive to these scientific dating methods...

really it is just knowing the limitations of the dating methods...
Good point and well taken. But really is there any evidence that suggest that elements used in these dating methods had different properties prior the flood?
 

Bookends

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Well I never studied Mythology so I didn't get it from there. All I'm suggesting is that there could be a gap between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2 when God started to move and where He chose to manifest His presence. I'll have to gather up more facts in order to continue this, besides what our observation of the universe clearly tells us. However, I with you'd address the harder question that I presented using Romans 1:20 in that God's attributes are clearly seen by His creation. Thus if the universe appears very old, then is one of God's attributes one of deception?

I would also like to ask, if you drew a Big circle and say that in this circle contains all the knowledge of God (if possible), how much of this circle do you think you know about Him? 1/2 the circle? a 3rd? a speck? I would suggest we all know a tiny fraction of a speck. So how do we know what has done, can do, will do, in regards to the things we aren't told outside of His Word?
correction, I wish you'd address....
 

Mo0448

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It's a tough call, because you'd have to determine whether or not to take the term "world" literally or figuratively. Example, if you live in an area and that's the only area you know, never knowing that there is much more to the world than that area, then the "world as you know it" is that area. Now could flooding have happened in the "entire world" the planet earth? Sure I do not see why not to God nothing is impossible. Could the flooding have taken place though in the "world as they knew it" at that time? I also see this thought plausible. We have to consider and interpret the culture and the time at which things were written in order to get a better understanding of what they meant at that time, not necessarily what it means to us now. When Noah heard the word "world" what did you think he thought? Did he believe the world was round and very large and expansive or did he believe the term world was "the world as he knew it". Interesting thoughts
 
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enoch1nine

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Created. Moved.
You might be a finished work, but He's creating my earth and moving upon the face of my waters. :)

verse 1 "bara" present tense

verse 21 "wayibara" past tense

verse 27 both tenses in different sentences
First created the image of man, an now is creating it into His image.

etc.
The whole bible has this effect in it.
Not necessary to know, but sure is helpful.
 

john832

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One problem I have with a 6000 year old universe that looks like it is 14.5 billion (with a 'b') years old is this...

Heb 6:18 That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:

Jas 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

Why would God, who cannot lie and there isn't even a shadow of turning, create something as deceptive as a 6000 year old universe that appears to be billions of years old?
 
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One problem I have with a 6000 year old universe that looks like it is 14.5 billion (with a 'b') years old is this...

Heb 6:18 That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:

Jas 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

Why would God, who cannot lie and there isn't even a shadow of turning, create something as deceptive as a 6000 year old universe that appears to be billions of years old?
Yeah, just imagine that it has been around five hundred years ago since the first settlers had came to America. Look at it now.. All of this in five hundred years... 500 times 10.5 = ?
 
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I do believe in the gap because..

2 Peter 3:8 But you must not forget this one thing, dear friends: A day is like a thousand years to the Lord, and a thousand years is like a day.
 
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Shiloah

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there were in fact other intelligent beings with which humans could and did intermingle as stated in Genesis 6:1-4. they weren't human however nor were they apish intermediary humanoids.
Well that's a debate in itself, jerusalem. Don't get that one started. Talk about total derail. Hahahaha!!!
 
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Shiloah

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Tense has been messed up. Not a modern day reader's fault.

1 In the beginning God is creating the heaven and the earth.

He started, and is still creating, and from a certain perspective, finished, all at once.
"Was, is and is to come"

[SUP]2 [/SUP]And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God is moving upon the face of the waters.


And it's about your heart and mind, not just the physical earth.
"And the heavens and the earth are completed, and all their host"

Host means it has the aforementioned things inside of it.
He is Lord of hosts, He's inside things, primarily His people.
That's a very interesting way to put it. In other words, God would have been outside of time since He created time. Hence, whatever amount of time He took wouldn't have been relevant because in this instance, time wasn't involved. Again, it makes the most sense to me to think that first verse is saying exactly what it means, kind of like a title over a list of what order this act (the act of creating heaven and earth) was done in. But the "creating" rather than "created" proposal makes a lot of sense too.
 
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-Billions of years comes from a society polluted with Evolution
-Scripture is plain to read
-I do have a secular degree in Geology

People try to make their own reality - if they cannot understand how God created the world in 6 days, they change they eisegetically seek verses, and meanings of words in order to fit the bible more accurately to their reality. I did this for years myself, but had to come to the point where, I submitted to God, and asked Him to teach me and show me what is right.

Genesis is literal historical, you can't get past that; renew your mind from all this stuff one fallen head taught your fallen head. Read the book of Romans, and you will see how much of Genesis is in there