each is to die of their own sins

[homwardbound]

Rev 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

1Pe 2:1 Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings,
1Pe 2:2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:
1Pe 2:3 If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious.
1Pe 2:4 To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,
1Pe 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
1Pe 2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
1Pe 2:7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
1Pe 2:8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
1Pe 2:10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.
1Pe 2:11 Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul;
1Pe 2:12 Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles: that, whereas they speak against you as evildoers, they may by your good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation.

1Pe 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Yes indeed should live unto righteousness, and the further one is dead to self via the cross being co-crucified with Christ, the deeper one lives in the new life they received as a gift from God.
And Paul explains the difference in Rom 7 very well and starts it out with the analogy of a woman's husband when dead is freed to marry another, freed from Law and you seem to somehow slip law back into the truth, and then you seem to agree and then back to Law.
Are you purposely trying to cause stress and deceive the very elect of God? If you are shame on you, if you are as the hypocrites, speaking out of two sides of their mouth, with their they praise God, but with their hearts they are far from God, working things out to their own gain.
Where is Mercy Skinski, do you have any?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

oh the DECLARATION!

Yes, the declaration by the king that all men have been emancipated from their sins (if they so desire), otherwise known as the proclamation of the good news, or shall I say 'preaching of the gospel'.

You know, that foolish thing that carnal minds can never wrap their hands around...

 

[zone]

Yes they were nailed to the cross. Jesus bore our sins upon His body and DIED. Likewise when we DIE WITH CHRIST we die to sin. It is through "dying WITH Christ" (being baptised into His death) that our old man is crucified WITH HIM whereby the body of sin DESTROYED.

Thus those who partake in Christ's suffering cease from sin (1Pet 4:1) for they die to that which held them in bondage to the service of sin. in other words we no longer walk according to the lusts of men (1Pet 4:2), having escaped the corruption in the world through lust (2Pet 1:4). Then being raised up with Christ to newness of life (Rom 6:4-5, Col 2:12-13) we abide in the Spirit of life IN Jesus Christ (Rom 8:2) wereby we are set free from the law of sin and death (basically set free from the service of sin which brings death (Rom 6:23)). Hence we were set free by "obeying from the heart that form of doctrine once delivered" (Rom 6:17-18).

It has NOTHING to do with the penalty due sin being paid by Jesus Christ. He paid a price alright but it was not the penalty due our sin which is ultimately being cast into the Lake of Fire.

Jesus suffered on our behalf not in our place. He suffered on our behalf so we could follow Him and suffer with Him and thus find reconciliation to God THROUGH Him because as the Second Adam God finds Jesus Christ worthy. Thus we are also found worthy IN Him.

We were enslaved in Egypt (sin) and Jesus came and ransomed us from that slavery leaving us with the CHOICE to leave Egypt and go serve a new master in which is found life, or to remain in service to the old master in which is found death.

you are the same servant of satan you always were.
how dare you slip that in the middle of Christian doctrine!

 

[homwardbound]

Those Jesus Christ died for were one flesh with Him, His Wife the Church. He was her Head and legally Responsible for her.

Eph 5:28-32

28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.

29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:

30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh

32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

So in a sense, Christ did die for His own sins, not His Personally, but for the sins of those who were One Flesh with Him.

Christ had or has no personal sins, please retract that statement of as if Christ ever sinned. if not you have free choice in what you decide is truth or not, not between You and I, rather God and you. God knows us all, and everyone's motive will be revealed. Hallelujah God almighty, and thank You God for doing for me what I could never do for myself and that is be perfect

 

[zone]

Yes, the declaration by the king that all men have been emancipated from their sins (if they so desire), otherwise known as the proclamation of the good news, or shall I say 'preaching of the gospel'.

You know, that foolish thing that carnal minds can never wrap their hands around...

ya....Jesus dying on the Cross is something off to the side that has nothing to do with that proclamation, though.
that's a cloak for ongoing rebellion.
regular sin is okay though.

the kind of sin skinski says is forgiven.
you know....the kind he knows he commits - daily.

i wonder though...is the rejection of God's Gracious gift of HIS OWN LAMB for the people a sin? or is it rebellion (ongoing, since skinski continues in that evil rebellion)

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Skinski & DeSario & Co. reject THAT offensive notion.
they use that WOLF Charles Finney to "prove" God can never LEGALLY do such a thing.

Why would GOD, the supreme lawgiver and judge, ever be concerned with legal issues? The idea is just so incomprehensible...

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

you are the same servant of satan you always were.
how dare you slip that in the middle of Christian doctrine!

That's his modus operandi... pretext 1 part blasphemy with 9 parts truth. You know, a spoonful of sugar makes the poison go down...

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

i wonder though...is the rejection of God's Gracious gift of HIS OWN LAMB for the people a sin? or is it rebellion (ongoing, since skinski continues in that evil rebellion)

both... the only that is unforgivable...

 

[Stephen63]

It's strange how one can be a servant of God, & not saved either. The king of Babylon was God's servant though not a true worshipper. He was put in place for such a time, & while there, no one could stand against him. God doesn't change, does he?

 

[Stephen63]

Matthew 5:43-48 (KJV)
[SUP]43 [/SUP]Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. [SUP]44 [/SUP]But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; [SUP]45 [/SUP]That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. [SUP]46 [/SUP]For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? [SUP]47 [/SUP]And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? [SUP]48 [/SUP]Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

A hard lesson to learn, believe me

 

[homwardbound]

And Christ said as they took him to the cross to kill him, Father forgive them, this includes me, for they do not know what they do.
Stephan said the same as they stoned him to death, wanting control over man as man has continued onward through out all the years.
All the more reason for me to be co-crucified with Christ at the cross, dead to self and alive to God by me agreeing that I am dead in the flesh, by God, made alive in the Spirit by God by the resurrection, new life that he came to give each of us, a free gift from God the Father through the cross, the dividing line of Human history, before and after. And many are on the before trying to cross over to the after, and can only cross over by God's free gift to them, and this free gift is given if one believes God, and just plain and simply just desires to be in God's lap, by God's side for no other reason except ot be with the creator, God then reveals God's truth in the cross, the death, the burial, resurrection and ascension

 

[zone]

The Pharisees were inwardly defiled and yet thought they were right with God. They sought their status of justification in the "works of the law" and in the "bloodline of Abraham."

The theologians of the present day have made the same basic error. Instead of viewing their status of justification in the "works of the law" or in a "bloodline" they see it in "trusting in a judicial provision."

Both the theology of the Pharisees and the theology of most modern professing Christianity leaves converts inwardly defiled.

There is nothing new under the sun.

The Disturbing Legacy of Charles Finney

by Dr. Michael Horton

No single man is more responsible for the distortion of Christian truth in our age than Charles Grandison Finney. His "new measures" created a framework for modern decision theology and Evangelical Revivalism. In this excellent article, Dr. Mike Horton explains how Charles Finney distorted the important doctrine of salvation.

Finney believed that human beings were capable of choosing whether they would be corrupt by nature or redeemed, referring to original sin as an "anti-scriptural and nonsensical dogma" (p.179). In clear terms, Finney denied the notion that human beings possess a sinful nature (ibid.). Therefore, if Adam leads us into sin, not by our inheriting his guilt and corruption, but by following his poor example, this leads logically to the view of Christ, the Second Adam, as saving by example. This is precisely where Finney takes it, in his explanation of the atonement.

The Disturbing Legacy of Charles Finney - Dr. Michael Horton

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

ya....Jesus dying on the Cross is something off to the side that has nothing to do with that proclamation, though.
that's a cloak for ongoing rebellion.
regular sin is okay though.

Oh yes... the 'infernal' cloak... the new life in the heavens in Christ that knows no sin... the one made in righteousness that we received as a gift from GOD through repentance and faith, and abide in through faith and putting to death the fleshly nature that is contrary to righteousness.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

The Disturbing Legacy of Charles Finney
by Dr. Michael Horton

Yeah! Keep it coming!

 

[homwardbound]

That's his modus operandi... pretext 1 part blasphemy with 9 parts truth. You know, a spoonful of sugar makes the poison go down...

Take a pure glass of water and drop one drop of ink in it and is the water pure any longer? Tainted as many aspects of the power of the cross, this miraculous great salvation has been tainted over the years.
Hebrews 2:3 how shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation, which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed to us by those who heard Him

We are forgiven by God through Christ, period it is a fact, and there is no forgiveness of sin from God without the shedding of blood period, no matter how anyone, slices, dices and or cubes it. It is what it is.
careful how we build, and be careful to see the denial of this fact cloaked in as if one believes and do not.
Hebrews 9:22 And according to the law almost all things are purified with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no remission.

Done once and for all:
Hebrews 7:27 who does not need daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the people’s, for this He did once for all when He offered up Himself.
All that is left is to appreciate this and love God back for this or ignore it
Believe God of not

 

[zone]

Oh yes... the 'infernal' cloak... the new life in the heavens in Christ that knows no sin... the one made in righteousness that we received as a gift from GOD through repentance and faith, and abide in through faith and putting to death the fleshly nature that is contrary to righteousness.

Isaiah 61:10
I delight greatly in the LORD; my soul rejoices in my God. For he has clothed me with garments of salvation and arrayed me in a robe of his righteousness

Pelagian Heretik 61:10
I delight greatly in my purity before the LORD; my soul rejoices in my good standing before God. For I have clothed myself with garments of salvation and arrayed myself in a robe of my own righteousness

 

[homwardbound]

both... the only that is unforgivable...

To not believe consciously aware made that choice, aware of coming from the Holy Ghost and is why the Holy Ghost is sent to tell the truth to others as the disciples did in the day of Pentecost, using the disciples as the vessels to speak truth, and does though all that believe God, so if one after knowing the truth of God, decides not to believe God is blasphemy of the Holy Ghost's preaching through the vessel God picked, to use, as that one said to God please use me?

 

[zone]

Zechariah 3:4
The angel said to those who were standing before him, "Take off his filthy clothes." Then he said to Joshua, "See, I have taken away your sin, and I will put fine garments on you."

Matthew 22
11“But when the king came in to see the guests, he noticed a man there who was not wearing wedding clothes. 12He asked, ‘How did you get in here without wedding clothes, friend?’ The man was speechless.
13“Then the king told the attendants, ‘Tie him hand and foot, and throw him outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

 

[homwardbound]

Matthew 5:43-48 (KJV)
[SUP]43 [/SUP]Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. [SUP]44 [/SUP]But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; [SUP]45 [/SUP]That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. [SUP]46 [/SUP]For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? [SUP]47 [/SUP]And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? [SUP]48 [/SUP]Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

A hard lesson to learn, believe me

Actually this lesson is not learned it is given from God to those that are willing to die to self, being co-crucified with Christ, thus are as they die deeper and deeper to self see the amazing new life in the resurrection of Christ
God's type of love can not be performed by flesh at all ever. Only the born again Spirit, a heart transplant has this in the resurrected Christ. god please give us a Heart transplant, I now believe you did do it all and I am in agreement with you. Thank you for this, today I receive this, and tomorrow remind me to be co-crucified again and again, and again each and every day here on earth, carnal nature dead, and Spiritually alive to you, Thank you

 

[RedTent]

The thing about legalists, is they minimize the atonement.
In so doing they maximize their own effort.
Thus becoming more important in their own eyes.
Pelagians tend to like to beat the drum of righteousness by self.
Of course, while they do this they subtract from reliance on the Messiah.
It is a vicious circle.
The more righteous you become, the more righteous you need to be.
Until eventually they reach a plateau of self righteousness that they call being sanctified.
But it isn't that at all.

The thing about legalist is not minimizing the atonement or plateau of self righteousness stuff. It is that they don't have God in their lives and don't have love and are trying to act as if they do. And the thing about people going on and on about legalism is that they make out like the things that they do, copying people who DO love the Lord and are doing those things because they do, are what make them legalists.

Legalism is NOT what legalists do, it is describing how they do it. The vicious circle is people against the things they do.

Fasting is not legalism, but you can fast in a legalistic way. Saying the Lord's Prayer is not legalism, but you can say the Lord's Prayer in a legalistic way.