Is The Mosaic Law Beneficial For Those Who Have Faith?
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Romans 6:12-15 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
No and this is why we are to:
[h=3]Romans 6:11[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin,
but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord.
The war is
Galatians 5:17
For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish.
Selfishness is in the way of fulfillment of the Mosaic Law and the only way to fulfillment is found in Christ at the cross of, mainly the resurrection, where new life is found in the Spirit of God Love God's just as Jesus said it is, the two greatest commands of love, but flesh always deflects this truth of God and can't perform it, just read 1 cor. 13 and see this truth.
Yet this truth of Love God want to spread abroad in our beings if we are willing to be born again, not of the flesh, Rather the Holy Spirit of God's truth, and thus God performs this type of Love through you the one that has given up the self, has been born again in the Spirit of God and resides right there with God, any straying and God comes after us, in kindness and love that this world can't fathom, nor any flesh either
[h=3]Romans 6:11[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin,
but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord.
The war is
Galatians 5:17
For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish.
Selfishness is in the way of fulfillment of the Mosaic Law and the only way to fulfillment is found in Christ at the cross of, mainly the resurrection, where new life is found in the Spirit of God Love God's just as Jesus said it is, the two greatest commands of love, but flesh always deflects this truth of God and can't perform it, just read 1 cor. 13 and see this truth.
Yet this truth of Love God want to spread abroad in our beings if we are willing to be born again, not of the flesh, Rather the Holy Spirit of God's truth, and thus God performs this type of Love through you the one that has given up the self, has been born again in the Spirit of God and resides right there with God, any straying and God comes after us, in kindness and love that this world can't fathom, nor any flesh either
Absolutely and if you are dead to sin then sin has no more dominion over you
[h=3]Romans 7[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)
[h=3]Freed from the Law[/h]7 Or do you not know, brethren (for I speak to those who know the law), that the law has dominion over a man as long as he lives? [SUP]2 [/SUP]For the woman who has a husband is bound by the law to her husband as long as he lives. But if the husband dies, she is released from the law of her husband. [SUP]3 [/SUP]So then if, while her husband lives, she marries another man, she will be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from that law, so that she is no adulteress, though she has married another man. [SUP]4 [/SUP]Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another—to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God. [SUP]5 [/SUP]For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were aroused by the law were at work in our members to bear fruit to death. [SUP]6 [/SUP]But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter.
[h=3]Romans 7[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)
[h=3]Freed from the Law[/h]7 Or do you not know, brethren (for I speak to those who know the law), that the law has dominion over a man as long as he lives? [SUP]2 [/SUP]For the woman who has a husband is bound by the law to her husband as long as he lives. But if the husband dies, she is released from the law of her husband. [SUP]3 [/SUP]So then if, while her husband lives, she marries another man, she will be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from that law, so that she is no adulteress, though she has married another man. [SUP]4 [/SUP]Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another—to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God. [SUP]5 [/SUP]For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were aroused by the law were at work in our members to bear fruit to death. [SUP]6 [/SUP]But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter.
Then we have to admit, if we are under grace, and not under the law, the grace of God will dominate within our hearts and minds, and we will want to love Him by obeying God's commandments, all of them that are in His Word. We then can see the dynamics of our Savior's sacrifice by understanding the manifold statutes in the temple worship that used to be physical, and now they are Spiritual. The indwelling Spirit give us that capability, where the lawless do not have that capability. I would call it daily cleansing, or dying to self daily, or being crucified with Christ, or picking up our cross daily and following Him, or presenting our bodies a living sacrifice. I think you get the drift.
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Hi - I know that Rm 6:11 says consider yourself dead to sin. I also know that Romans 7:1 says that the Law has dominion over a man (in other words the man is under the Law) as long as He is alive to the Old Man of sin. He is alive or joined to the Old Man or husband if He sins.
What I am disagreeing with you about is the phrase "consider yourself dead to sin". I feel that ( in Rm 7:5) we can see that this means that only a person who does not sin can "consider themselves dead to sin". Simply "thinking you are dead to sin" is fine as long as you don't sin.
If a person sins when they are married to Christ (so to speak) and but the individual person "still thinks they are dead to sin" they become an adulterous person. If in their the person "considers themselves dead to sin" while yet committing sin they are adulterous.
Ro 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
Serving in "Oldness of the letter" means being "under the Law" or being sinful and breaking the Law's of God (which = Love).
A sinful person is under the authority of the Law or married to the Old man.
Serving in newness of Spirit means serving God while abstaining from ungodliness of being "under grace" and not sinning, titus 2:11-12.
Paul is writing to Christians who He assumes will cooperate with grace and abstain from sin, titus 2:11-12. These people who do not sin or have been delivered from the Law, since they don't sin. If and when a Christian sin while they profess to be married to they are adulterous and must as for forgiveness, 1 Jn 2:1.
In this illustration from Romans 7 Paul is saying that if a persons considers themselves dead to sin and still sins they are adulterous.
1Jo 2:1 ¶ My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
There is no law against Loving, Gal 5:3.
Ga 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
(KJV)
But there is a law against sinning and Jesus said the Law had not passed away in, Lk 16:17.
Lu 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.
What I think is that you are deceive yourself because you "consider yourself dead to sin" while you are still sinning. Now as I mentioned if you are not sinful I apologize. But if you are sinning and still considering yourself dead to sin you are deceiving yourself.
I don't think it is an accident that after all this discussion we arrive at Romans 7. God could have been leading us in Romans 7 to throughout this discussion- hoping that you will see that "considering yourself dead" to sin while still practicing sin is an adulterous practice.
Respectfully - Brian
What I am disagreeing with you about is the phrase "consider yourself dead to sin". I feel that ( in Rm 7:5) we can see that this means that only a person who does not sin can "consider themselves dead to sin". Simply "thinking you are dead to sin" is fine as long as you don't sin.
If a person sins when they are married to Christ (so to speak) and but the individual person "still thinks they are dead to sin" they become an adulterous person. If in their the person "considers themselves dead to sin" while yet committing sin they are adulterous.
Ro 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
Serving in "Oldness of the letter" means being "under the Law" or being sinful and breaking the Law's of God (which = Love).
A sinful person is under the authority of the Law or married to the Old man.
Serving in newness of Spirit means serving God while abstaining from ungodliness of being "under grace" and not sinning, titus 2:11-12.
Paul is writing to Christians who He assumes will cooperate with grace and abstain from sin, titus 2:11-12. These people who do not sin or have been delivered from the Law, since they don't sin. If and when a Christian sin while they profess to be married to they are adulterous and must as for forgiveness, 1 Jn 2:1.
In this illustration from Romans 7 Paul is saying that if a persons considers themselves dead to sin and still sins they are adulterous.
1Jo 2:1 ¶ My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
There is no law against Loving, Gal 5:3.
Ga 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
(KJV)
But there is a law against sinning and Jesus said the Law had not passed away in, Lk 16:17.
Lu 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.
What I think is that you are deceive yourself because you "consider yourself dead to sin" while you are still sinning. Now as I mentioned if you are not sinful I apologize. But if you are sinning and still considering yourself dead to sin you are deceiving yourself.
I don't think it is an accident that after all this discussion we arrive at Romans 7. God could have been leading us in Romans 7 to throughout this discussion- hoping that you will see that "considering yourself dead" to sin while still practicing sin is an adulterous practice.
Respectfully - Brian
There is a crux of sorts. When we say we are "freed from the Law" we neglect to incorporate the rest of the verse.
Romans 8:2 (KJV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Then we see also that this verse has something else in it called "the Law of the Spirit". So if I read it right, there is one law that frees us from another law. So what is the law of the Spirit?
I submit; Zechariah 7:12 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Yea, they made their hearts as an adamant stone, lest they should hear the law, and the words which the LORD of hosts hath sent in his spirit by the former prophets: therefore came a great wrath from the LORD of hosts.
So as I see it, to not understand, or to not want to know the law of God, is to be under the law of sin and death. The spirit of God's law is sent by the prophets, but people didn't want to listen to them.
As I see it then, to not want the law, according to the Bible, puts a person under the law of sin and death, and the Spirit of the law interprets the righteousness of the law as God intended, henceforth the "Law of liberty" is on the minds and the hearts of those who hear the prophets.
James 1:25 (KJV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP]But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
James 2:12-13 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.
It's all the same law. To be under the law is to have no law, because of a stony heart, henceforth you're on the wrong side of God which is the law of in and death. To have the law, and be under grace by the Spirit of the law puts you on the right side of God, and then you are free from the "law of sin and death." If God will not change, then neither will His law.
Ezekiel 43:11-12 (KJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And if they be ashamed of all that they have done, shew them the form of the house, and the fashion thereof, and the goings out thereof, and the comings in thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the laws thereof: and write it in their sight, that they may keep the whole form thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and do them.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]This is the law of the house; Upon the top of the mountain the whole limit thereof round about shall be most holy. Behold, this is the law of the house.
James 2:8-13 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
[SUP]9 [/SUP]But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.
Romans 8:2 (KJV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Then we see also that this verse has something else in it called "the Law of the Spirit". So if I read it right, there is one law that frees us from another law. So what is the law of the Spirit?
I submit; Zechariah 7:12 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Yea, they made their hearts as an adamant stone, lest they should hear the law, and the words which the LORD of hosts hath sent in his spirit by the former prophets: therefore came a great wrath from the LORD of hosts.
So as I see it, to not understand, or to not want to know the law of God, is to be under the law of sin and death. The spirit of God's law is sent by the prophets, but people didn't want to listen to them.
As I see it then, to not want the law, according to the Bible, puts a person under the law of sin and death, and the Spirit of the law interprets the righteousness of the law as God intended, henceforth the "Law of liberty" is on the minds and the hearts of those who hear the prophets.
James 1:25 (KJV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP]But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
James 2:12-13 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.
It's all the same law. To be under the law is to have no law, because of a stony heart, henceforth you're on the wrong side of God which is the law of in and death. To have the law, and be under grace by the Spirit of the law puts you on the right side of God, and then you are free from the "law of sin and death." If God will not change, then neither will His law.
Ezekiel 43:11-12 (KJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And if they be ashamed of all that they have done, shew them the form of the house, and the fashion thereof, and the goings out thereof, and the comings in thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the laws thereof: and write it in their sight, that they may keep the whole form thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and do them.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]This is the law of the house; Upon the top of the mountain the whole limit thereof round about shall be most holy. Behold, this is the law of the house.
James 2:8-13 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
[SUP]9 [/SUP]But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.
This is short circuiting faith and a sidetrack from the Way.
If we are under Grace and not under Law, the Grace and Love of God will dominate our Hearts and we will want to Love Him back by showing people what the Lord Has Done in us, bringing people to Christ, so they can experience what we do in Him, thereby loving our neighbor and our God. Overcoming the accuser by the blood of the Lamb and the Word of our testimony. Did you know he uses the Law to accuse us?
If you go back to the law you don't understand what the Lord has done for you. You don't understand the Love He has given you.
You are interested in adding to the work of Christ. You don't have faith that the Lord is the one that does the work in you but instead you think you must do the work yourself, by the law.
The Lord is much better at fixing you than you are. You should already know that.
If we are under Grace and not under Law, the Grace and Love of God will dominate our Hearts and we will want to Love Him back by showing people what the Lord Has Done in us, bringing people to Christ, so they can experience what we do in Him, thereby loving our neighbor and our God. Overcoming the accuser by the blood of the Lamb and the Word of our testimony. Did you know he uses the Law to accuse us?
If you go back to the law you don't understand what the Lord has done for you. You don't understand the Love He has given you.
You are interested in adding to the work of Christ. You don't have faith that the Lord is the one that does the work in you but instead you think you must do the work yourself, by the law.
The Lord is much better at fixing you than you are. You should already know that.
J
14 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
[h=3]Romans 14:1-2 i choose to be strong in faith and eat whatever and bless it in the name of jesus 14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean. Romans 14:14[/h]
2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
[h=3]Romans 14:1-2 i choose to be strong in faith and eat whatever and bless it in the name of jesus 14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean. Romans 14:14[/h]
Do you have scripture in your Bible that states that Jesus said the law is of no value to those that believe in Him? Or do you not realize that all of the teachings of Jesus were during the time of the Old Testament. The Old Testament was in full effect clear up until Jesus suffered and died for your sins and mine?
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yes it was.
And still no one was saved by obeying the law. Nor was anyone righteous by following the law.
The pharisees were very good at obeying the law. The disciples were not. Even after christ was ressurected they still had problems. Peter had to be publicly humiliated by Paul because he was trying to obey the law and in doing so offending gentiles.
now why do you think this is?
And still no one was saved by obeying the law. Nor was anyone righteous by following the law.
The pharisees were very good at obeying the law. The disciples were not. Even after christ was ressurected they still had problems. Peter had to be publicly humiliated by Paul because he was trying to obey the law and in doing so offending gentiles.
now why do you think this is?
No one here has been advocating that anyone "was saved by obeying the law. Nor was anyone righteous by following the law."
Why do some of you insist upon twisting other people's words to create an argument? Can you not understand the requirements presented by these passages to us as professing Christians?
2 Peter 1:5 For this very reason, try your hardest to furnish your faith with goodness, goodness with knowledge,
6 knowledge with self-control, self-control with perseverance, perseverance with godliness,
7 godliness with brotherly affection, and brotherly affection with love.
8 For if you have these qualities in abundance, they keep you from being barren and unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Yeshua the Messiah.
And:
Philippians 4:8 In conclusion, brothers, focus your thoughts on what is true, noble, righteous, pure, lovable or admirable, on some virtue or on something praiseworthy.
9 Keep doing what you have learned and received from me, what you have heard and seen me doing; then the God who gives shalom will be with you.
Why do some of you insist upon twisting other people's words to create an argument? Can you not understand the requirements presented by these passages to us as professing Christians?
2 Peter 1:5 For this very reason, try your hardest to furnish your faith with goodness, goodness with knowledge,
6 knowledge with self-control, self-control with perseverance, perseverance with godliness,
7 godliness with brotherly affection, and brotherly affection with love.
8 For if you have these qualities in abundance, they keep you from being barren and unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Yeshua the Messiah.
And:
Philippians 4:8 In conclusion, brothers, focus your thoughts on what is true, noble, righteous, pure, lovable or admirable, on some virtue or on something praiseworthy.
9 Keep doing what you have learned and received from me, what you have heard and seen me doing; then the God who gives shalom will be with you.
E
I am not twisting I am just stating a fact.
Yes they were under law. But no one was saved by the law. so why even bring it up? the law was (and is) useless other than show us our need for Christ, it can not make us holy or right, it does not have the power to do so!
Non of those passages speak of going to the law of moses, . or doing the law of moses. They tell us how to follow the law of love and faith. The law of moses is not needed to follow these things
this is where I think the confusion and difference lies.
Yes they were under law. But no one was saved by the law. so why even bring it up? the law was (and is) useless other than show us our need for Christ, it can not make us holy or right, it does not have the power to do so!
Non of those passages speak of going to the law of moses, . or doing the law of moses. They tell us how to follow the law of love and faith. The law of moses is not needed to follow these things
this is where I think the confusion and difference lies.
Jesus was not against His Father therefore, because Jesus was and is perfect, born under the law, He was able to fulfill it. Think about this. If Jesus wouldn't have had problems with the pharisees, then one would have to say that they were good in obeying the Mosaic Law. Jesus, therefore taught the righteousness of the law to all He spoke to because He also said that He didn't do anything without the witness of His Father who gave the Law to Moses. What the pharisees did was distort and negate the truth that God gave to Moses. You have it totally backwards my friend.
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No my friend you do.
Jesus shows us the law by us knowing when we look at jesus and the law. we can not find any sin in him.
He shows us, because it shows us our own sin, and thus our need for someone who has no sin.
it shows us, because according to the law. If you break it, a sin offering of blood must be given, which leads us to christ as the one and only sin offering.
again. The law says do not covet. it does not tell me how not to do it. if I look to the law and do not covet. I get a personal pride. because I have kept the law (which is what the pharisees did).
if I look to God and realize the law of love and faith, i do not need the law which says do not covet. because I would not be tempted to in the first place.
however, if i do have a failure and my flesh falls and I do covet. again All the law can do is ocnvict me and show me I am still a sinner. It still us totally unable to tell me how to break the temptation.
why is this so hard for so many people to see this??
Jesus shows us the law by us knowing when we look at jesus and the law. we can not find any sin in him.
He shows us, because it shows us our own sin, and thus our need for someone who has no sin.
it shows us, because according to the law. If you break it, a sin offering of blood must be given, which leads us to christ as the one and only sin offering.
again. The law says do not covet. it does not tell me how not to do it. if I look to the law and do not covet. I get a personal pride. because I have kept the law (which is what the pharisees did).
if I look to God and realize the law of love and faith, i do not need the law which says do not covet. because I would not be tempted to in the first place.
however, if i do have a failure and my flesh falls and I do covet. again All the law can do is ocnvict me and show me I am still a sinner. It still us totally unable to tell me how to break the temptation.
why is this so hard for so many people to see this??
Speaking about twisting. Did Jesus teach anything different than His Father? And if so, how would you explain these verse?
John 5:30-32 (KJV)
[SUP]30 [/SUP]I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.
[SUP]32 [/SUP]There is another that beareth witness of me; and I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true.
Can you say what God has given to us in everything that He has done is righteous and true? If so, one has to say that the Mosaic Law is righteous and true. We are the ones who failed. So if God's Law is righteous and true, why do we throw it into the sea of forgetfulness, and teach others to do the same? Therefore, since Jesus' teachings were still under the Old Testament, we would have to throw His teachings away as we do the Law. I WILL NOT DO THAT! I will not listen to anti law people. If you throw away God's law, you have to throw away the true teachings of Christ Jesus, and then your salvation is vain.
John 5:30-32 (KJV)
[SUP]30 [/SUP]I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.
[SUP]32 [/SUP]There is another that beareth witness of me; and I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true.
Can you say what God has given to us in everything that He has done is righteous and true? If so, one has to say that the Mosaic Law is righteous and true. We are the ones who failed. So if God's Law is righteous and true, why do we throw it into the sea of forgetfulness, and teach others to do the same? Therefore, since Jesus' teachings were still under the Old Testament, we would have to throw His teachings away as we do the Law. I WILL NOT DO THAT! I will not listen to anti law people. If you throw away God's law, you have to throw away the true teachings of Christ Jesus, and then your salvation is vain.