Things you Seventh Day Adventist Neighbors won't tell you.

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danschance

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Ellen white, the hypocrite.

1870—Ellen G. White denies eating meat

EGW: "No butter or flesh-meats of any kind come on my table. Cake is seldom found there." 2 T, — p. 487


1871—Ellen and James eat venison every day
EGW: When we were down in Texas, and old Brother White was breaking down, (Sister White) just got the most beautiful venison every day to eat, and my wife would cook it, and he would sit down and say ‘O Ellen, that is just the thing!’ She never did hold him up and make him live on a diet of starch! A. G. Daniells,— Spectrum, "1919 Bible Conference," p. 41.
EGW: Christmas morning we all took breakfast together—James Cornell; Florence and Clara, their two girls; Brother and Sister Moore and their three children; Sister Bahler and Etta, a girl living with them; and Sister Daniells, our cook, Father, and myself. We had a quarter of venison cooked, and stuffing. It was as tender as a chicken. We all enjoyed it very much. There is plenty of venison in market. (Written December 26, 1878, from Denison, Texas, to "Dear Family at Battle Creek--Willie, Mary, Aunt Mary, Edith, Addie and May, and Brother and Sister Sawyer.") —Manuscript Releases, Volume Fourteen, p. 318. Letter 23, 1878.
Note: Ellen and James sure enjoyed health reform as they ate venison.


1873—Whites have wild duck and deer for dinner (How about having this at church potluck?)
EGW: Brother Glover left the camp today to go for supplies. We are getting short of provisions. We got him the best we could for his meals on the way. He was to send Mr. Walling immediately and to get our mail. A young man from Nova Scotia had come in from hunting. He had a quarter of deer. He had traveled 20 miles with this deer upon his back. The remainder of the deer he had left hung up in the woods. He saw six elk but did not try to shoot them as he knew he could not carry them out. He gave us a small piece of the meat, which we made into broth. Willie shot a duck which came in a time of need, for our supplies were rapidly diminishing. —Manuscript 11, 1873. Ellen G. White Estate, Washington, D.C. April 11, 1985 (Written in the Colorado mountains, diary entry for September 28, 1873.)


The Pharisees made rules they could not keep, also.
“They tie up heavy burdens and lay them on men’s shoulders, but they themselves are unwilling to move them with so much as a finger. 5“But they do all their deeds to be noticed by men; for they broaden their phylacteries and lengthen the tassels of their garments. 6“They love the place of honor at banquets and the chief seats in the synagogues, 7and respectful greetings in the market places, and being called Rabbi by men.

13“But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you shut off the kingdom of heaven from people; for you do not enter in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in. 14“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you devour widows’ houses, and for a pretense you make long prayers; therefore you will receive greater condemnation.
 
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danschance

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The hypocrisy of Ellen G White continues.

1880—EGW condemns a Battle Creek youth for eating oysters
EGW: "...OYSTERS or other refreshments are called for, and he is ashamed to draw away and refuse the treat..."— 4T p. 435.
Two years later in 1882 Ellen has added "a few cans of Oysters" to her grocery list.


1882—Ellen's menu of herring and oysters
—Manuscript Release No. 852: The Development of Adventist Thinking, page 2, by Ron Graybill.
Once when Ellen White was ill, her son, W. C. White, reports that she was encouraged to drink a little oyster broth to settle her stomach. She is said to have tried a spoonful or two, but then refused the rest. Arthur L. White, "Dietary Witness of the Ellen G. White Household,"Unpublished Paper, Washington, D.C. (1978), p.15
There is however, evidence that at one point in her life Ellen White most likely ate some oysters.
In 1882, when she was living at Healdsburg, California, she wrote a letter to her daughter-in-law, Mary Kelsey White, in Oakland, in which she included a "shopping list" of things to bring on their next visit to Mrs. White's home. Among the things requested: "Mary, if you can get me a good box of herrings, fresh ones, please do so. These last ones that Willie got are bitter and old. If you can buy cans, say, half a dozen cans, of good tomatoes, please do so. We shall need them. If you can get a few cans of good oysters, get them." —Letter 16, 1882.



1888—I do not preach onething and practice another
EGW: "I do not preach one thing and practice another. I do not present to my hearers rules of life for them to follow while I make an exception in my own case...." —Selected MessagesBook 2, p. 302. Letter 12, 1888.
Note: This was one of the many lies told by Ellen White. She made exceptions for herself as she feasted on meat and oysters while condemning others for eating meat.

16 You are in for trouble! You are supposed to lead others, but you are blind. You teach that it doesn’t matter if a person swears by the temple. But you say that it does matter if someone swears by the gold in the temple. 17 You blind fools! Which is greater, the gold or the temple that makes the gold sacred?

23 You Pharisees and teachers are show-offs, and you’re in for trouble! You give God a tenth of the spices from your garden, such as mint, dill, and cumin. Yet you neglect the more important matters of the Law, such as justice, mercy, and faithfulness. These are the important things you should have done, though you should not have left the others undone either. 24 You blind leaders! You strain out a small fly but swallow a camel. Matt. 23
 
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Shiloah

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These claims are ridiculous. You think the 7th day Adventists themselves wouldn't know these things or care if they did? What's your problem, Danchance? To be such a hater of 7th day Adventists? Lemme guess, it's about the sabbath issue. Your posts are lies. Anyone can post anything on the web, that doesn't make it truth. Again, Adventists wouldn't respect Ellen White if these things were true, and they don't consider her an authority next to the bible anyway. They just view her as a good bible commentary person. This is all I've ever seen said by them on any site.
 
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adventbeliever

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danschance, are you on topix re: adventist forums?
 

john832

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These claims are ridiculous. You think the 7th day Adventists themselves wouldn't know these things or care if they did? What's your problem, Danchance? To be such a hater of 7th day Adventists? Lemme guess, it's about the sabbath issue. Your posts are lies. Anyone can post anything on the web, that doesn't make it truth. Again, Adventists wouldn't respect Ellen White if these things were true, and they don't consider her an authority next to the bible anyway. They just view her as a good bible commentary person. This is all I've ever seen said by them on any site.
The Sabbath has always been the TEST Commandment...

Exo 16:4 Then said the LORD unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law, or no.

Deu 8:2 And thou shalt remember all the way which the LORD thy God led thee these forty years in the wilderness, to humble thee, and to prove thee, to know what was in thine heart, whether thou wouldest keep his commandments, or no.

And the beat goes on.
 
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josh123

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all i can say is.. women were made to be deceitful and easily deceived.. no disrespect to any of the sisters.. but if we look back at the time of adam and eve we would see that and well it's still happening today
 
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josh123

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These claims are ridiculous. You think the 7th day Adventists themselves wouldn't know these things or care if they did? What's your problem, Danchance? To be such a hater of 7th day Adventists? Lemme guess, it's about the sabbath issue. Your posts are lies. Anyone can post anything on the web, that doesn't make it truth. Again, Adventists wouldn't respect Ellen White if these things were true, and they don't consider her an authority next to the bible anyway. They just view her as a good bible commentary person. This is all I've ever seen said by them on any site.
oh really? then why was she the " Founder ' of the adventist church?
 
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josh123

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man made cults and no one recognises it.. if you claim to love god then why can't you accept the truth of the bible.. the way we suppose to live instead of adding.. that's all i see nowadays in the church man made doctrines... can't do this that or this day etc etc.. open up your eyes people go back to the will of god.. and i'm showing scriptures that proves what i'm saying is right but you all choose to just ignore it and continue living in your own illusion.. that wouldn't get you anywhere flee from that and return to the will of god.. stop trusting man and put your faith in god christianity is about faith without faith we are nothing that is why righteous works isn't enough must have faith in god.. only way to please him is by faith all that is required, simple as that
 
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adventbeliever

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open up your eyes people go back to the will of god.

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"And knowest His will, and approvest the things that are more excellent, being instructed out of the law." Romans 2:18.

God's will is expressed in the precepts of His holy law. That law demands obedience but we are incapable of rendering it. The only way we can attain to its obedience is through faith. By faith we can daily bring to God the merits of Christ. Then God accepts us, forgives us, and begins the work of sanctification. Our life business is to look to Christ and accept His merits which it is our privilege to claim. Then the law takes care of itself for we are clothed with the righteousness of Christ and His righteousness accomplishes everything.

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josh123

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open up your eyes people go back to the will of god.

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"And knowest His will, and approvest the things that are more excellent, being instructed out of the law." Romans 2:18.

God's will is expressed in the precepts of His holy law. That law demands obedience but we are incapable of rendering it. The only way we can attain to its obedience is through faith. By faith we can daily bring to God the merits of Christ. Then God accepts us, forgives us, and begins the work of sanctification. Our life business is to look to Christ and accept His merits which it is our privilege to claim. Then the law takes care of itself for we are clothed with the righteousness of Christ and His righteousness accomplishes everything.

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way to take the scripture out context and make it say what you want it to say.. 13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)
16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
17 Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of God,
18 And knowest his will, and approvest the things that are more excellent, being instructed out of the law;
[h=3]Romans 2:13-18 scripture is talking about the jews...[/h]
 
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adventbeliever

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women were made to be deceitful and easily deceived...

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When God made Eve He provided "an help meet for him"--a helper corresponding to him--one who was fitted to be his companion, and who could be one with him in love and sympathy. Eve was created from a rib taken from the side of Adam, signifying that she was not to control him as the head, nor to be trampled under his feet as an inferior, but to stand by his side as an equal, to be loved and protected by him. A part of man, bone of his bone, flesh of his flesh, she was his second self, showing the close union and the affectionate attachment that should exist in this relation.

Adam and Eve though created innocent and holy, were not placed beyond the possibility of wrongdoing. God made them free moral agents.

So I do not believe it is right to say that Eve was created to be deceitful and easily deceived.

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adventbeliever

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13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

Josh
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The doers of the law are those who hear the voice of God in everyone of the ten precepts and by the Spirit are enabled to obey it for they are resting in the merits of their Redeemer for their acceptance with God.

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josh123

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women were made to be deceitful and easily deceived...

Josh123
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When God made Eve He provided "an help meet for him"--a helper corresponding to him--one who was fitted to be his companion, and who could be one with him in love and sympathy. Eve was created from a rib taken from the side of Adam, signifying that she was not to control him as the head, nor to be trampled under his feet as an inferior, but to stand by his side as an equal, to be loved and protected by him. A part of man, bone of his bone, flesh of his flesh, she was his second self, showing the close union and the affectionate attachment that should exist in this relation.

Adam and Eve though created innocent and holy, were not placed beyond the possibility of wrongdoing. God made them free moral agents.

So I do not believe it is right to say that Eve was created to be deceitful and easily deceived.

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2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
[h=3]Genesis 3:2-6[/h]
 
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josh123

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13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

Josh
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The doers of the law are those who hear the voice of God in everyone of the ten precepts and by the Spirit are enabled to obey it for they are resting in the merits of their Redeemer for their acceptance with God.

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once again reading out of context... hear i will explain it to you since you don't understand or got your own theory of what it is saying 14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves so do you see what this is saying here.. it is impossible for us the gentiles to follow the law because it is in our nature to go against the law so we will know that we are sinning.. that's why it's not meant for us in the first place we cannot be a christian or serve god without christ in us or else it will be a form of godliness.. but the jews follow the law because it was implanted in their hearts and mind to follow it so it's in their nature to follow it i can show you a scripture that proves this if you want... 17 Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of God,18 And knowest his will, and approvest the things that are more excellent, being instructed out of the law;
 
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danschance

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once again reading out of context... hear i will explain it to you since you don't understand or got your own theory of what it is saying 14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves so do you see what this is saying here.. it is impossible for us the gentiles to follow the law because it is in our nature to go against the law so we will know that we are sinning.. that's why it's not meant for us in the first place we cannot be a christian or serve god without christ in us or else it will be a form of godliness.. but the jews follow the law because it was implanted in their hearts and mind to follow it so it's in their nature to follow it i can show you a scripture that proves this if you want... 17 Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of God,18 And knowest his will, and approvest the things that are more excellent, being instructed out of the law;
I agree. This verse proves that I am not under the sabbath, because the sabbath was only given to jews. The gentiles who never were under the mosaic laws were and will still be judged by God's moral laws.

The bible often references the word "law" without stating which type of law it is. Seventh Day Adventists and other neo-judaizers myopically infer that whenever God mentions law it refers to the legalistic laws they keep. They see it as meaning the sabbath or it means the ten commandments which includes the sabbath.

If you assume the law says we must keep the sabbath then the law says we must execute those who do not keep it. What makes the observance of the sabbath even more bizzare is that it actually contradicts scripture:
Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. Col. 2:16
 
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The doers of the law are those who hear the voice of God in everyone of the ten precepts and by the Spirit are enabled to obey it for they are resting in the merits of their Redeemer for their acceptance with God.
That's imaginary, made-up nonsense. Doers of the law are those who believe into Christ and love their neighbor
 
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danschance

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13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

Josh
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The doers of the law are those who hear the voice of God in everyone of the ten precepts and by the Spirit are enabled to obey it for they are resting in the merits of their Redeemer for their acceptance with God.

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Adeventistbeliever, are you a doer of the law in all 10 precepts? I assume you to mean what are referred to as the 10 commandments.

So I assume you are saying you have never sinned by the statement you made above, right? So I assume you have never killed anyone, committed adultery, stolen, taken the name of God in vain, coveted, bore false witness, honored you parents, lied...right? Jesus said if we look lustfully at a woman, we have committed adultery, meaning the law is not to be obeyed merely on outward appearances but it also includes our very thoughts.
 
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haz

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open up your eyes people go back to the will of god.

Josh123
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"And knowest His will, and approvest the things that are more excellent, being instructed out of the law." Romans 2:18.

God's will is expressed in the precepts of His holy law. That law demands obedience but we are incapable of rendering it. The only way we can attain to its obedience is through faith.
Hi ab,

Yes, the law of righteousness demands obedience. It demands perfect obedience.
I know many Adventists and none of them keep the commandments. They are guilty of all of the law (James 2:10).

Now the alternative way to attain righteousness is when our faith is counted for righteousness, Rom 4:5.

It seems that Adventists seek righteousness through works of the law, but fail to keep the commandments. They're guilty of all the law and are thus condemned as unrighteous.

But, for Christians, our faith is counted for righteousness, instead of works of the law.

Christians obey the will of God.

John 6:40.
this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day