Capital punishment for or against ?
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WHAT IS YOUR VIEW ON THE FOLOWING VERSE DOES IT STILL APPLY FOR US TODAY ?
[h=3]2 Samuel 21[/h]King James Version (KJV)
21 Then there was a famine in the days of David three years, year after year; and David enquired of the Lord. And the Lord answered, It is for Saul, and for his bloody house, because he slew the Gibeonites.
6 Let seven men of his sons be delivered unto us, and we will hang them up unto the Lord in Gibeah of Saul, whom the Lord did choose. And the king said, I will give them.
9 And he delivered them into the hands of the Gibeonites, and they hanged them in the hill before theLord: and they fell all seven together, and were put to death in the days of harvest, in the first days, in the beginning of barley harvest.
13 And he brought up from thence the bones of Saul and the bones of Jonathan his son; and they gathered the bones of them that were hanged.
14 And the bones of Saul and Jonathan his son buried they in the country of Benjamin in Zelah, in the sepulchre of Kish his father: and they performed all that the king commanded. And after that God was intreated for the land.
B
I do believe there is a place for capital punishment, however, David committed adultery and had Bathsheba's husband Uriah sent to the front line knowing that he would be a casuality of war, which carried a motive of murder on David's part. These two great sins of David carried a punishment of death. When these were revealed to him by Nathan the prophet, David believed in his heart that he was going to die until Nathan said this in 2 Sam 12:13,14.
12 For thou didst it secretly: but I will do this thing before all Israel, and before the sun.
13 And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the Lord. And Nathan said unto David, The Lord also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die.
Why was David spared of the death penalty, can you tell us that? Why are some executed and others are not who commit the same crime and are found guilty? David was also not able to build a temple unto the Lord because he shed too much blood. Moses was a murderer and he was spared. Paul was a murderer and he was spared. One killed out of lust, another out of reaction in defense of a brother and the other out of ignorance according to the righteousness of the law.
12 For thou didst it secretly: but I will do this thing before all Israel, and before the sun.
13 And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the Lord. And Nathan said unto David, The Lord also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die.
Why was David spared of the death penalty, can you tell us that? Why are some executed and others are not who commit the same crime and are found guilty? David was also not able to build a temple unto the Lord because he shed too much blood. Moses was a murderer and he was spared. Paul was a murderer and he was spared. One killed out of lust, another out of reaction in defense of a brother and the other out of ignorance according to the righteousness of the law.
M
Did you forget that David's child born of his adultery died?
I don't know that you can class Moses and Paul's sin as the same as David's. David killed a loyal, innocent man. Moses killed an enemy whilst defending a fellow Israelite. Paul held the cloaks of those murdering Christians, but he believed he was doing right.
I don't know that you can class Moses and Paul's sin as the same as David's. David killed a loyal, innocent man. Moses killed an enemy whilst defending a fellow Israelite. Paul held the cloaks of those murdering Christians, but he believed he was doing right.
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Whoever sheds man’s blood,
his blood will be shed by man,
for God made man
in His image. – Genesis 9:6
No one has refuted this so I seem to be of the correct understanding that God command us to shed the blood of a murderer. You can muddy the water and throw in the killing of an innocent man. What is considered a proper judicial process is for another discussion. In the end God has stated Gods expectation.
So if you believe Capital punishment is wrong does it mean you believe that God changed Gods mind ?
his blood will be shed by man,
for God made man
in His image. – Genesis 9:6
No one has refuted this so I seem to be of the correct understanding that God command us to shed the blood of a murderer. You can muddy the water and throw in the killing of an innocent man. What is considered a proper judicial process is for another discussion. In the end God has stated Gods expectation.
So if you believe Capital punishment is wrong does it mean you believe that God changed Gods mind ?
J
Agreed. Murder is murder is murder. Life is precious from the cradle to the grave. We either believe that or we don't. It is surprising to me that some Christians are opposed to abortion (which I absolutely AM), but are perfectly fine with sentencing folks to death on circumstantial evidence, with the thinking that we have to kill them all so we get the guilty ones. I wonder which of them would volunteer to be the innocent one who is put to death under these circumstances?
If Christians are going to support capital punishment, they should support God's version thereof and HIS evidentiary requirements, not man's. Even if we don't flip the switch or jab the needle, we become an accomplice to murder if any innocent life is taken. Most people wouldn't be willing to do either anyway. They SUPPORT the concept, but they don't want to know about it or have to deal with it.
I don't know why we worry so much about punishing the guilty. God knows who did what and they won't get by with it no matter we do or don't do. I'm not willing to take an innocent life out of revenge.
GENESIS 9: [SUP]5 [/SUP]And for your lifeblood I will surely demand an accounting. I will demand an accounting from every animal. And from each human being, too, I will demand an accounting for the life of another human being.[SUP]6 [/SUP]“Whoever sheds human blood,
by humans shall their blood be shed;
for in the image of God
has God made mankind.
If Christians are going to support capital punishment, they should support God's version thereof and HIS evidentiary requirements, not man's. Even if we don't flip the switch or jab the needle, we become an accomplice to murder if any innocent life is taken. Most people wouldn't be willing to do either anyway. They SUPPORT the concept, but they don't want to know about it or have to deal with it.
I don't know why we worry so much about punishing the guilty. God knows who did what and they won't get by with it no matter we do or don't do. I'm not willing to take an innocent life out of revenge.
GENESIS 9: [SUP]5 [/SUP]And for your lifeblood I will surely demand an accounting. I will demand an accounting from every animal. And from each human being, too, I will demand an accounting for the life of another human being.[SUP]6 [/SUP]“Whoever sheds human blood,
by humans shall their blood be shed;
for in the image of God
has God made mankind.
J
LOL Nautilus 
When folks get it in their minds that the laws of men always line up with the laws of God, that will happen. Having worked in the legal system for over 15 years, having worked with/arrested many violent criminals, completed many investigations, seen a lot of sloppy lab/legal work, having looked murderers in the eye and cleaned up their messes, having had to take human life, and having seen the guilty go free if they have enough money, some of us know better. It's not as simple as we would like to think.
When folks get it in their minds that the laws of men always line up with the laws of God, that will happen. Having worked in the legal system for over 15 years, having worked with/arrested many violent criminals, completed many investigations, seen a lot of sloppy lab/legal work, having looked murderers in the eye and cleaned up their messes, having had to take human life, and having seen the guilty go free if they have enough money, some of us know better. It's not as simple as we would like to think.
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Roman 13:1-7
Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil.
Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience’ sake. For because of this you also pay taxes, for they are God’s ministers attending continually to this very thing. Render therefore to all their due: taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor.
Let's not forget that God uses situations, like prison, to humble people and bring them to their knees. There will be lots of ex murderers, etc, in Heaven that were saved by the blood of Jesus
Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil.
Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience’ sake. For because of this you also pay taxes, for they are God’s ministers attending continually to this very thing. Render therefore to all their due: taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor.
Let's not forget that God uses situations, like prison, to humble people and bring them to their knees. There will be lots of ex murderers, etc, in Heaven that were saved by the blood of Jesus
J
I not only understand it, I have lived it. Over and over. Have you? Are you willing to kill them yourself or will you force some public servant to do it for you?
Please reread my initial post. There's nothing muddy about it. IF we are talking about God's version of capital punishment, let it be done. If we are talking about our messed up legal system's version thereof, beware. It is unclear as to which version of capital punishment you are referring. Either way, I have answered clearly.
Please reread my initial post. There's nothing muddy about it. IF we are talking about God's version of capital punishment, let it be done. If we are talking about our messed up legal system's version thereof, beware. It is unclear as to which version of capital punishment you are referring. Either way, I have answered clearly.
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J
Is it really a process for another discussion? If someone qualifies for capital punishment under God's law, would the people in your country gather together and kill them without due process of law, or do they go through proper legal channels?
In my country, vigilante justice is not permitted. In order to carry out capital punishment here, scriptural or not, due legal process is required. I can't just take the law into my own hands, kill a murderer and say the Bible told me to do it.
In my country, vigilante justice is not permitted. In order to carry out capital punishment here, scriptural or not, due legal process is required. I can't just take the law into my own hands, kill a murderer and say the Bible told me to do it.
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