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Brother,

If I may:
We ask for forgiveness and a good life from under.
Jesus responds.
This religiom has a few secrets.
Notice that Paul said: "We are the Stewards of the mysteries of GOD."
The people keep secrets. They can hurt you by not telling.
PM me if you want to ask any more details.
I am willing to help.
I am strengthened for it.
Brother,

I am trying to understand the impact of what you are saying when you say that we are to call His name while under water.
 

zone

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Brother,

I am trying to understand the impact of what you are saying when you say that we are to call His name while under water.
drowning?:confused:
lungs full of water, at least:)
 
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Brother,

I am trying to understand the impact of what you are saying when you say that we are to call His name while under water.

My brother,

I understand your inquiry but Spiritual things have to be experienced.
DId you notice the words unspeakable, amazing, marvelous, illuminated.. in the N.T.
The important thing is that Jesus responds to you.

OK....consider
The Spirit that raised Jesus from the dead must be a high energy something....that is good for you.
Gifts from GOD are good so they must be good for you.

John.7
[16] Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
[17] If any man will DOOO (firstly) his will, then (secomdly) he shall KNOWWWWW of the doctrine,
whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

Even Jesus knew that certain explaining is useless.

Take care.
 

zone

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My brother,

I understand your inquiry but Spiritual things have to be experienced.
DId you notice the words unspeakable, amazing, marvelous, illuminated.. in the N.T.
The important thing is that Jesus responds to you.

OK....consider
The Spirit that raised Jesus from the dead must be a high energy something....that is good for you.
Gifts from GOD are good so they must be good for you.

John.7
[16] Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
[17] If any man will DOOO (firstly) his will, then (secomdly) he shall KNOWWWWW of the doctrine,
whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

Even Jesus knew that certain explaining is useless.

Take care.
i've found your posts interesting.
i'm an advocate of baptism:).
the calling on Christ's Name while under the water is something i do not see in scripture, nor in the nazarite mikvahs.
calling on the Name of The Lord, yes.
while under the water? i don't see it.

anyways, i'm not getting involved beyond this.
take care
 
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drowning?:confused:
lungs full of water, at least:)
Hello,
Jesus said that:"Your thoughts are heard louder than your words, in heaven."
That is called speaking to GOD with the voice without sound.
We speak from our mind, with the image of him sitting side by side with the Father.

I labour here because it works.
Us gentiles have been robbed living in death for a long time.

Take care.
 
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#46
i've found your posts interesting.
i'm an advocate of baptism:).
the calling on Christ's Name while under the water is something i do not see in scripture, nor in the nazarite mikvahs.
calling on the Name of The Lord, yes.
while under the water? i don't see it.

anyways, i'm not getting involved beyond this.

take care
Hello,

The Israelites have a tradition of mouth to ear.
If you read John Epistles or even Paul you will notice thay the say "when I come."
That mean verbal not written.
Jews still hide some things.

Take care.
 
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They're back!!!!

Oneness or United Pentecostals!

We have been through this many times in this forum. Please look up the threads, and see our answers. Oh wait, they wouldn't reveal who they were either.

Sad to study the Bible and come out as a cult thinking they are the only ones that are truly saved. May God change your hearts away from this legalism and heresy concerning Jesus and the Trinity. (Yes, I know that word is not in the Bible - just revealed again and again through the pages and the actions of Jesus, the people, the Pharisees, etc, etc!)

"Then Moses said to God, “If I come to the people of Israel and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they ask me, ‘What is his name?’ what shall I say to them?” [SUP]14 [/SUP]God said to Moses, “I am who I am.” And he said, “Say this to the people of Israel, ‘I am has sent me to you.’” [SUP]15 [/SUP]God also said to Moses, “Say this to the people of Israel, ‘The Lord, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.’ This is my name forever, and thus I am to be remembered throughout all generations." Ex. 3:13-15

"Your father Abraham rejoiced that he would see my day. He saw it and was glad.” [SUP]57 [/SUP]So the Jews said to him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?” [SUP]58 [/SUP]Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” [SUP]59 [/SUP]So they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid himself and went out of the temple." John 8:56-59

Read your Bible! Stop worrying about some formula for baptism and instead seek Jesus, who is the revelation of God, and the great "I am"!
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Hello Angela,

I am not Oneness.
I do not think that they will like me.

I follow the Apostles.
I read the Bible not other books about the Bible.
I was where others are now.

Here is an amusing explanation for you.

Mark.16
[19] So then after the Lord (Jesus) had spoken unto the (Apostles),
he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
[20] And the Apostles (our Teachers) went forth, and preached everywhere,
the Lord (Jesus the Master of the cult) working with them, (the worldwide cultists)
and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

Here is some consolation.

Jesus knows what to do with heretics.

Take care.
 

Angela53510

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#48
Except those are disputed verses. They are not found in the earliest manuscripts. Sorry to inform you!
 

zone

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#49
Hello,
Jesus said that:"Your thoughts are heard louder than your words, in heaven."
That is called speaking to GOD with the voice without sound.
We speak from our mind, with the image of him sitting side by side with the Father.

I labour here because it works.
Us gentiles have been robbed living in death for a long time.

Take care.
alright:)
i'm fine with that.
calling on the Name of The Lord is indeed what we are told to do.

i do not believe, though, that the baptism [of others] is invalid.


all the best to you.
take care:)
 
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alright:)
i'm fine with that.
calling on the Name of The Lord is indeed what we are told to do.

i do not believe, though, that the baptism [of others] is invalid.


all the best to you.
take care:)

Hello Zone,

In following God, as dear children, we are not allowed to compromise anything.
Sometimes it is a simple test.
The rules are one baptism.
Debaters have always been many.

I sweated to get where I am and I know the rules.
At the moment GOD is filtering people.

'Thy will be done' means exactly that.
People will have to read and do their own introspection.
Gentiles, in my lifetime, never had someone to prepare our hearts for the LORD
or to teach us the fear of the LORD.
Gentiles were called a foolish people. Now I know why.

I will do my best until I drop.
That is how it is.
A person like me will even beg someone to become compliant to GOD.
Many hate Christianity and want to eradicate it becaus of lies and myths.
That is not the Christianity that I now know.
It is the invisible side of life.
Take care.
 
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Your writing style & your topic style does not match...... Just curious where you got it. Should you expect anything less of a Berean?
You answered everyon's question but mine.....
 
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You answered everyon's question but mine.....
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Hello Stephen,

Sorry that was not deliberate. Sometimes my notlfications are, seemingly, impaired.

I have a sense of humor too. Check out Jesus and John.

Matt.7
[6] Give not that which is holy (keep secret) unto the dogs,
neither cast ye your pearls (goodness) before swine,
lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

You should baptise and do the following. I did.
[7] Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

Matt.3
[5] Then went out to him Jerusalem, and all Judaea, and all the region round about Jordan,
[6] And were baptized of him in Jordan, >> confessing their sins. (Jesus and his Father are willing to forgive)
[7] But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them,
O generation of vipers (poisonous snakes),
who hath warned you to flee from the wrath (of GOD) to come? (70 A.D.)

Can you handle their style?

GOD also laughs.

Pss.2
[2] The kings of the earth (Pointus Pilate etc.) set themselves,
and the (Jewish) rulers take counsel together,
against the LORD (the Father), and against his anointed (Jesus), saying,
[3] Let us break their bands asunder and cast away their cords from us.
[4] He (the Father) who sitteth in the heavens shall >> laugh <<
the Lord shall have them in derision.

Here is where I think that you are:

Luke.11
[52] Woe unto you, lawyers!
for ye have taken away the key of knowledge:
ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.
[53] And as he said these things unto them,
the scribes and the Pharisees began to >> urge him vehemently,
and to >> provoke him to speak of many things:
[54] Laying wait for him, and seeking to catch something out of his mouth,
that they might >> accuse him.

Your are better off looking after your self.
The light can only get brighter with his coming.
People have always killed those who want their Salvation.
People have never learnt.
Some Psychologist say that most things have improved but human nature.
We can use hindsight to advantage.
Church does not save you and help you.
Jesus does. Find your way to him. He created you.
Most people have only shallow details about Jesus.
If you really want to go for the greatness then I am with you.
People do not save themselves.

Take care.
 
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Hello Stephen,

Sorry that was not deliberate. Sometimes my notlfications are, seemingly, impaired.

I have a sense of humor too. Check out Jesus and John.

Matt.7
[6] Give not that which is holy (keep secret) unto the dogs,
neither cast ye your pearls (goodness) before swine,
lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

You should baptise and do the following. I did.
[7] Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

Matt.3
[5] Then went out to him Jerusalem, and all Judaea, and all the region round about Jordan,
[6] And were baptized of him in Jordan, >> confessing their sins. (Jesus and his Father are willing to forgive)
[7] But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them,
O generation of vipers (poisonous snakes),
who hath warned you to flee from the wrath (of GOD) to come? (70 A.D.)

Can you handle their style?

GOD also laughs.

Pss.2
[2] The kings of the earth (Pointus Pilate etc.) set themselves,
and the (Jewish) rulers take counsel together,
against the LORD (the Father), and against his anointed (Jesus), saying,
[3] Let us break their bands asunder and cast away their cords from us.
[4] He (the Father) who sitteth in the heavens shall >> laugh <<
the Lord shall have them in derision.

Here is where I think that you are:

Luke.11
[52] Woe unto you, lawyers!
for ye have taken away the key of knowledge:
ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.
[53] And as he said these things unto them,
the scribes and the Pharisees began to >> urge him vehemently,
and to >> provoke him to speak of many things:
[54] Laying wait for him, and seeking to catch something out of his mouth,
that they might >> accuse him.

Your are better off looking after your self.
The light can only get brighter with his coming.
People have always killed those who want their Salvation.
People have never learnt.
Some Psychologist say that most things have improved but human nature.
We can use hindsight to advantage.
Church does not save you and help you.
Jesus does. Find your way to him. He created you.
Most people have only shallow details about Jesus.
If you really want to go for the greatness then I am with you.
People do not save themselves.

Take care.
You treat me this way because I ask questions? What will you do if I comment?
 
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Except those are disputed verses. They are not found in the earliest manuscripts. Sorry to inform you!
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ello Angela,


Al things are not written. That is why we must be in fellowship with Jesus.
Is that faith only?
Save yourself from me.
Flee...run to Jesus.
 
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#57
You treat me this way because I ask questions? What will you do if I comment?

I have answered many of your questions.
You must do your part.
Make your comments....
Everyone is not a believer or compliant.
You yourself know that.

The normal man does not know the gifts that a spiritual man has so
he treats him like an normal man.
I care about you but you must do your part.

Keep well brother.
 
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A rabbi said that Jews are taught to be particular.
That means that if baptism from GOD is to be performed ONE way then
all others are invalid before GOD.
'Thy will be done' not anyone elses.
Our experience is BEYOND believing.

Grace reigns through Jesus Christ.