A True New Testament Church

Karraster · Dec 22, 2013

It would seem that some are here for amusement. The lion roars, seeking whom he may devour....Did God really say....???

Ring a bell?

Elin · Dec 22, 2013

p_rehbein said:

Looks an awful lot like the Lion of Judah. . .

Elin · Dec 22, 2013

p_rehbein said:

Looks an awful lot like the Lion of Judah. . .

p_rehbein · Dec 22, 2013

Karraster said:

and could you show me in Scripture where God said: "New testament only is a shallow understanding of God's grace and love, it's like reading the last chapter in a novel, the icing on the cake with no cake. "

ring a bell?

Elin · Dec 22, 2013

p_rehbein said:

Did he just say. . .out loud. . . that the death of the Son of God
which pays for the sin of the sons of God,
thereby saving them from the wrath of God
was no more than icing on the cake?

"Run, Forest, run!"

p_rehbein · Dec 22, 2013

[h=1]Revelation
5[/h]
1 .) And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.
2 .) And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?
3 .) And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.
4 .) And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.
5 .) And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

Maybe these will help............

Karraster · Dec 22, 2013

p_rehbein said:

Where new testament quotes old testament how can you know the lesson if you know not of what is referred? This is part of the problem in churches today that you have said you do not see. It's all around you yet you do not see.

p_rehbein · Dec 22, 2013

Karraster said:

ok, now you are pulling the "bait and switch......."

No one said that the Frist Testament was not a wonderful Testament.........all Christians should read and learn from it.......but that does not excuse your demeaning the Gospel of Jesus Christ as "a shallow understanding............"

Choose this day.............hey, no problem, I choose the Gospel of Jesus Christ........

Karraster · Dec 22, 2013

p_rehbein said:

ok, now you are pulling the "bait and switch......."

No one said that the Frist Testament was not a wonderful Testament.........all Christians should read and learn from it.......but that does not excuse your demeaning the Gospel of Jesus Christ as "a shallow understanding............"

Choose this day.............hey, no problem, I choose the Gospel of Jesus Christ........

"sigh" and word.

Elin · Dec 22, 2013

Karraster said:

So, is the foundation deep within the earth the reason for the magnificent towering edifice of offices, etc. above ground,

or is the magnificent towering edifice above ground the reason for the foundation.

To you, the magnificent towering edifice is just window dressing for the foundation.

< sigh >

dcontroversal · Dec 22, 2013

JaumeJ said:

Today, reading in the forum I came across the expression "a true New Testament Church."

I suppose there is such a thing today, but I hope all who call on the name of Yeshua, Jesus, are versed enough in the history of our progress from the time our Lord walked His earth to know the original converts to the faith of Abraham did not have a New Testament, and it is probably a good thing for them they did not.

You see the pagans, the nations, had to learn the concept of what a sin is. In order to learn this they were taught by the Twelve plus Paul from the Torah, the Writings, and the Prophets.

They had to understand about atonement, and exactly what they needed to atone for. They were taught all about the history of the faith of Abraham and the law, for sin is transgressing the law.

They also learned of all the prophesies of Yeshua, Jesus, in these same writings beginning in Genesis all the way through to Malachi. It must have been fascinating and glorious to learn all that the Jews knew and much they did not for not accepting Messiah. These people were of the faith of Abraham, from that other flock our Lord taught us of which He was to have brought together with His original flock. We are now one with our Lord and the faith of Abraham.

The Holy Scripture comprising the New Testament is the recounting of how Yeshua, Jesus, fulfilled all the prophesies of Messiah and all the teachings from the Law. As per the law, He completed the law for all who call upon Him in Spirit and Truth by taking the curse of the law with Him on the cross. That curse died as far as we are concerned, but it still exists for those who are not saved by
Yeshua, Jesus, and His great sacrifice on that cross.

That curse, of course, is punishment and death. That curse being destroyed for all who are saved by the Blood of the Lamb, providing they do not turn to wanton sin, no longer exists. This does not mean we have license to sin. Because sin is breaking the law, we are still expected to live by the laws although we will never be perfect until the work begun in us by God is finished for we perfect nothing. God does all the perfecting. Meanwhile, sorry warm and fuzzies, we are to obey the Father. To say the law is dead is the same as saying we may break it with impunity. This is a lie of the enemy.

What child, good child, does not fear his parents to the point of obeying them? Only an evil child, for it is written even a child is known by his conduct. Also, fear of God is a stepping stone to His perfect love because once we have experienced His love, that fear goes away.

The New Testament part of the Book, for it is one book, elaborates on the fulfilling of all righteousnous by Yeshua, Jesus, by many reliable witnesses and the apostles, and it contains the Gospel or Good News delivered by Him for all who are saved.

A good New Testament Church will teach all of the Word, amen.
　

Yes and I agree. I also agree that if it can be found in the N.T. it will also be found first in the O.T. and the term true N.T. church is applicable to the "called out ones" that Jesus empowered and commissioned which down through the centuries are tied to the foundations laid in both testaments above. God requires two witnesses and they are found combined into one book and both together line upon line and precept upon precept are equally the Word of the God. Not every church or synagogue that claims to have the truth necessarily has the truth. Hence the use of terminology that many use (not all) to differentiate between churches who teach the truth as opposed to religious groups who evidently do not teach truth.

p_rehbein · Dec 22, 2013

Karraster said:

you really gotta come up with your OWN rhetorical wit.......uh, well, never mind, you can keep using mine......

(betcha you is an Auburn fan though......that WOULD explain a lot)

Karraster · Dec 22, 2013

Elin said:

p_rehbein said:

What an ego! So you invented snoopy too?

p_rehbein · Dec 22, 2013

............

Elin · Dec 23, 2013

Karraster said:

Elin said:

What an ego! So you invented snoopy too?

Non-responsive.

john832 · Dec 23, 2013

Elin said:

To you the towering edifice was built and the foundation destroyed, leaving the towering edifice "floating" on nothing.

Elin · Dec 23, 2013

john832 said:

Elin said:

To you the towering edifice was built and the foundation destroyed, leaving the towering edifice "floating" on nothing.

Non-responsive.

Assertions without demonstration are meritless.

john832 · Dec 23, 2013

Non repsonsive = I don't agree.

Elin · Dec 23, 2013

john832 said:

Assertions without demonstration are meritless.

john832 · Dec 23, 2013

Elin said:

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