Anyone Else Been Kicked out of Church?

[Kerry]

Danalee, I think that you will find caring and loving people at church that will pray for you and help you. I don't know your situation, therefore I cannot advise. But, no one ever got hurt by going to church and praising Jesus that I know of.

Love ya

 

[pastac]

I love the boldness you used not the wisdom though. Everything you said was right and I'm in agreement. But! the confusion and tension was not right. Yes you had every right to say what you said when asked but it was you speaking the words the Holy spirit should have been speaking. Who knows maybe this was needed but it was handled in a way that would seem to be uncharacteristic of how or Lord would have handled it. Just a thought. And hear me I agree with what you said. I just would have desired that you apply more wisdom to that situation instead of the spectacle that was made. In any wise move on continue to be bold but let God direct the lips and actions.

 

[Cobus]

If your looking for something perfect, don't look in the mirror or at a church, you will not find a perfect church. Because it is made up of imperfect people. I do suggest that you find and join in the corporate worship.

Kerry God disagree with you on this as He does with most you write. I am so sorry you cannot move beyond the sin... Shame! I really mean SHAME, that false doctrine can hold you back so strong....

But look what God says about the PERFECT CHURCH ON EARTH.... Joh_17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one;

Eph_5:27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

Kerry if God finds something without spot it is PERFECT! Sorry you know not of this church. But now that you do, why not SEEK it with your whole heart and soul and spirit?

And YES I been kicked from ALL imperfect churches becasue they do not want me there and God wants me in HIS PERFECT CHURCH, so he is NEVER going to make me comfortable where the FALSE GOD'S PREACH....

God calls it sanctification... SET APART BY GOD FOR GOD... WOW! Jesus said they will chase us from the churches.... And they DO! I bet the first day I viit Kerry's church I will be thrown out. To prove it kerry only ha to send me one sermon and I will write a report on the sermon from REPROOFING with TRUTH as I am COMMANDED to do... Reproof, and REBUKE... Kerry here is your reproof... There is a PERFECT churchon this world, and ONLY SPOTLESS PERFECT PEOPLE ARE JOINED TO THIS BODY... EPH 4 :11 to 13....

 

[breno785au]

Kerry God disagree with you on this as He does with most you write. I am so sorry you cannot move beyond the sin... Shame! I really mean SHAME, that false doctrine can hold you back so strong....

But look what God says about the PERFECT CHURCH ON EARTH.... Joh_17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one;

Eph_5:27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

Kerry if God finds something without spot it is PERFECT! Sorry you know not of this church. But now that you do, why not SEEK it with your whole heart and soul and spirit?

And YES I been kicked from ALL imperfect churches becasue they do not want me there and God wants me in HIS PERFECT CHURCH, so he is NEVER going to make me comfortable where the FALSE GOD'S PREACH....

God calls it sanctification... SET APART BY GOD FOR GOD... WOW! Jesus said they will chase us from the churches.... And they DO! I bet the first day I viit Kerry's church I will be thrown out. To prove it kerry only ha to send me one sermon and I will write a report on the sermon from REPROOFING with TRUTH as I am COMMANDED to do... Reproof, and REBUKE... Kerry here is your reproof... There is a PERFECT churchon this world, and ONLY SPOTLESS PERFECT PEOPLE ARE JOINED TO THIS BODY... EPH 4 :11 to 13....

Cobus, I think he means that the church has people who are going to make mistakes and not get every little thing right. Some people get offended when one slips up and leave the church all together. At least that's how I see the church.

 

[Kerry]

Cobus, I know to well of that dutch South African doctrine. We will be made perfect, but for now we struggle against our flesh and the leading of the Holy Spirit, if we endure to the end we will be like Jesus, but not until the end. The closer I get to God the more I find how sinful I am and the more I thank Him for the cross and the more I realize how much I need the cross.

 

[Jda016]

Danalee, I think that you will find caring and loving people at church that will pray for you and help you. I don't know your situation, therefore I cannot advise. But, no one ever got hurt by going to church and praising Jesus that I know of.

Love ya

I know what you are trying to say, but for me some of the most hurtful times in my life have come about from people at church.

I know there are good churches out there, I just have yet to find it.

 

[royalscot]

wisdom, would say, there is two sides to a story. if only one side, is being looked at. then it would only lead to speculation.
(ie trying to justify your stand.) the other side ,of the story, have there reasons. wisdom would also point out, who appointed me judge. the fact that a split up, has happened, will lead to, I need to find an other church. when reason, can only be answered, with the person that threw you out. (ie to why I am looking for a new church.)

 

[DavidLOVESsnow]

I think I finally got the message loud and clear today: I don't belong in institutional churches. I was going to a church that just got a visiting pastor a month ago from overseas who came in and called himself a prophet. He proceeded to milk the people of their money-- two offerings a Sunday, to brag almost non-stop of his spiritual conquests, to teach what he calls special 'mysteries' that others don't know, and to hint to the congregation that on some level he's God. This guy was fake from day one, and he knew that I knew. But after the Lord made it clear that I don't belong in the extremely tight confines of institutional church and that I'd be leaving this church soon (didn't know it'd be like this), I finally got the left boot of fellowship today. Well... several left boots.

The prophet allows people to interact during the service. He prefers to be the only one speaking and lets people ask questions because he wants to be the savior with all the answers. (He gave my friend a fake word our first day there; that didn't help his credibility which was to be at 2% at the most.) So, when he said today that women can't be pastors, apostles, prophets, etc., I raised my hand. Most people just speak up, but I only raised my hand to show goodwill since I already knew that he hated my eyes looking through his facade. With a really pained look on his face, he raised his arm as if it was in a cast and pointed at me to speak. Again, knowing that he preferred I kept my mouth shut, I asked him if I could speak. Looking like he had sudden constipation, he said I could... but then he said I must stand to address him as everyone who addresses him must stand. I asked if I could remain seated, but he demanded that I stand. I mumbled something special about him as I stood up, then I began to explain to him that if women could be ministers in the OT, then the NT Law of Grace must be even more lenient. The women in church all agreed pretty vigorously (which was surprising since they all agreed with what he said since they felt obligated to this 'prophet'), and even some men nodded. Gee, but everyone was quiet except me. I continued, putting Paul's statement that women not teach in perspective. When this self-important waste of space (not very godly, but honest) realized that someone had read their Bible too, he went into attack mode. It was then that he told me to sit down and shut up. The women hoped I would keep speaking; the men were nervous and urged me to sit which I did, explaining all the way down that I wasn't trying to start an argument but was addressing what he said. When this prophet saw that he was losing his hold on the people, as people were murmuring and all that, he told me that my punishment for speaking against him (well, I certainly didn't feel I'd spoken against him though I wouldn't mind throwing him out of a moving car... excuse my honesty) was that I must remain standing the rest of the service or leave. Because I did neither, he sicked the usher on me. Still explaining my intention as I was led out, this prophet began to pretty much slander me. I'd had it and called him a false prophet who required and stole the people's worship and money, etc. I said his falsehood will surface in time. The church pastor, his loyal follower, had had it and ran at me to shove me out the church. There was a real commotion as four people laid hands on me (and not for prayer), restraining and pushing and shoving and trying to restrain the pastor from growing more hands that he could put on me. The pastor kept threatening to lay hands on me (as if he hadn't already) which I would've welcomed if I didn't respect people in authority (just being honest). We sort of tumbled out into the street (what people would've thought if they knew this was 'church' for us) as they tried to keep the pastor, who kept assuring me that he wasn't scared of me (as if a frightened person is a good opponent), from reaching me. After they restrained him and took himself inside, after his wife threatened to call the police on me, they told me I must leave and never return. I wasn't unhappy at the prospect.

Later on, two people from church and my friend said that agreed with me. At least two people (one a minister in the church) said that they didn't like what that were witnessing in the church in general and would not return. I didn't conduct myself in the godliest fashion, but I certainly wasn't feeling condemned at all.

In summer '12, I was standing outside a church that did a lot of prophetic stuff, waiting to go in for the service when the Lord (Jesus) began to speak to me. He told me clearly to leave that church and that He would lead me to a fellowship of likeminded believers whom He affectionately called, "The Lord's people" several times. When I returned to institutionai church looking for this fellowship, He reminded me of what the angel said to those who went to Jesus' tomb to find Him: "Why do you seek the living (Jesus) among the dead (institutional churches that keep Jesus at a distance when their programs)." I didn't get it and kept looking. A few days ago, He made it clear that I'd be leaving the church I got put out of today. I got put out, and now I get it. The truth is that something is either real or it's not; churches today give God a very little space to actually do anything (worship, sermon, and ending prayer) because they want to keep full control of all aspects of their lives. Even practically it doesn't make sense to pay loads for a building and even more to maintain it weekly but only use it once or two days or just several hours a week. When you start asking questions or state that you want something more realistic, you end up rocking the boat.

My friend had told me about a good book about how God has abandoned and literally left church as we know it. (I don't think it's very coincidental that most times I was in church and had to talk to God about anything important, I literally had to step outside the church where He was basically waiting. (This happened in the above experience I mentioned where the Lord told me to leave, in Rochester in '06, at a Messianic church in '12, and in another church last year.)) I was ordering this book on my phone from Amazon when the fiasco in the church started. I don't know about false prophets, but I think that was pretty prophetic! Here's the link: Amazon.com: Jesus Has Left the Building (9780971804081): Paul Vieira: Books.

Anyone else spoken up and gotten the left boot of fellowship? At least I finally know without a doubt that HD institutional church isn't for me. The worst part is that it's not for the Lord either.

This is why I don't go to Church at all. It just bothers me. Besides, I'm the type to ask lots of questions. I couldn't just sit there quiet while the pastor talks, I'd end up asking questions whether I disagree with what they say or questions about what they say. In the end, I'd end up in the same situation as you brother :/

 

[royalscot]

a man is walking along , the edge of a clift. he trips, and as he, was falling grabs hold of a tussock of grass. his whole body is hanging over the clift. he shuts his eyes and prays, god help me. then he heard a voice, let go of the grass, and I will catch you, and raise you to sound footing. the man thinks

and then shout, is there anyone else up there.

 

[Brother_Don]

Yes, but i deserved it. i went into a midnight mass on Christmas eve, when i was about 15 years old tripping on acid. it was a pretty freaky experience.

 

[Cobus]

Cobus, I know to well of that dutch South African doctrine. We will be made perfect, but for now we struggle against our flesh and the leading of the Holy Spirit, if we endure to the end we will be like Jesus, but not until the end. The closer I get to God the more I find how sinful I am and the more I thank Him for the cross and the more I realize how much I need the cross.

Kerry AGIN you are wrong. I was CHASED from the dutch reformed church for PREACHING perfection and a perfect church. Their doctrine is as your's unfounded in the Bible. Every time I read the Word of God to false teachings and false doctrine that was why I was thrown out.

All imperfect churches will NOT accept the Word of God. God teach us this in the Bible! Why? False doctrine is soft of the ears of the sinners (or as Breno785au puts it the people that makes mistakes and NEVER come righteous). You see God called sinners to repent, not remain sinners. Salvation is not a life long repentane as you make it out to be.

Let us AGAIN look at God's savation... The Calling of God.. to make you Chrisitan. (repenting sinner).. the completion of sanctification to make you a SAINT.... And then the completion of salvation (glorification) to make you a Christ Like Man/perfect man. God's FINISHED product of a man that was once a sinner... but now? (100% Christ like/Godly and perfect.)

Sinners (all sinners) are called to be saints... GOd will keep on calling until they are SAINTS (sinless) then God will perfect the saints to be ONE WITH HIM. COMPLETELY one with Him... That is the only True Doctrine in the Bible. Perfect as Father in heaven is perfect, NOTHING less. And right here on earth! Look what God said... Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.


If you can show me ANY sin in perect love, then I will go and NEVER come back to this site. But show me in the Bible, not in your head! Or what whatever "clever man" said... Show me in God's Word that there is still sin in perfect love... In HIS love!
The challenge is open for all!

 

[john832]

I think you are in the wrong churches! The only reason one should be kicked out of a church is for unrepentant sin. And only after much counseling and trying to help the person.

Your problem is looking for God in prophecy, instead of in prayer and in the Bible. Meeting together is about fellowship, and hearing the Word of God. It is not about something "new" breaking forth in every meeting, unless it is from the excellent expository preaching of the pastor.

Find a more conservative church, let go of these charismatic types, and you will probably not have a problem. I have never been more fed or grown more since I left those type of churches of my own accord. I only saw false prophets, because that is all that is available today.

Prophets were in the Bible, and their words still apply to today.

PS. I do agree with you about women in ministry, but only based on the Greek, and the context of the disputed verses. The New Testament doesn't give us different roles, except to explain that has passed away, after sin brought roles into the world after the Fall. Again, cultural differences explain so much!

No, there are other reasons people are kicked out of church...

3Jn 1:9 I wrote unto the church: but Diotrephes, who loveth to have the preeminence among them, receiveth us not.
3Jn 1:10 Wherefore, if I come, I will remember his deeds which he doeth, prating against us with malicious words: and not content therewith, neither doth he himself receive the brethren, and forbiddeth them that would, and casteth them out of the church.

 

[lioncub]

Firstly, I disagree with the assertion that women can teach over men specifically when God prohibits them from doing so and usurping authority over men - this factor alone limits their ministry options. Secondly, the pastor is entitled to ask for money.

 

[Allin]

Dont be discouraged man, ive been through a church thats kicked people out left right and center, walk away and find a church that loves God and people. They are out there, the Lord will direct you as He has with my wife and myself and we are greatly blessed to be in the congregation we are in beyond anything we could imagine. There are good fellowships out there, you just gotta trust God you'll find them. You have a good heart man and people need you and you need others, we all need each other

Discouraged? Lol. Dude, it was GLORIOUS. I never in my life understood what it meant to rejoice in persecution, but I was actually quite happy after the whole thing. Understand that I wouldn't say I did it perfectly; not even close. But I love to make a clear distinction between what's from myself and what's from the Lord. My attitude and wanting to kick this guy's teeth in from the beginning was definitely mine; but what happened was of the Lord. The prophet dodged me and wouldn't talk to me alone, so it happened in front of the whole congregation. Because of it, others who've been sitting and nodding are now rethinking things. Who tells someone they are to be punished for disagreeing with the minister? That only happens in religious cults. The people saw all of this; I believe there will be, as with Simeon in Judges 5, "great searchings of heart" in the people. Discouraged. Are you kidding me? You could write a whole movie from the things that happened just in my one month in that church. It was glorious; I can't find a better word. And yes, the right place is right around the corner; I believe it was needful for me to first and finally understand why the Lord wanted me out of institutional churches.

 

[dcontroversal]

sounds to me that he was a raving (hairy-tick) and needed to be disciplined himself.......

 

[Allin]

Meh the extremely few times I went to a church as a kid was as a guest as friends and family. Can't complain about those particular churches as I was not a member and was merely invited as a guest to myself. So I personally cannot say on what it be like to be kicked out of a church lol. I am more curious which churches are actually okay by Jesus. For now I figure just be this one where we can talk and learn of eachother and the Bible and Jesus.

Which churches are okay with Jesus? It isn't the church itself that He hates; it's the structure. Every architect builds on a foundation that will hold; churches today, however, are built on personality, the supposed prophetic, doctrines, lies, and everything else but the only foundation that is guaranteed to hold forever. No one of these things will stand up to what's coming. Only tight-knit Christians who genuinely care about each other and so about others will have a chance. Paul, a spiritual architect under the Lord who is the Master Architect, said that whoever builds must build correctly, "for no other foundation can a man lay than that already laid which is Jesus Christ" (1Cor. 3:11). That isn't saying people can't lay other foundations as people certainly do and have; it's saying that it is established eternally and was established in eternity that there is only one correct foundation of pattern for 'church' that will hold against everything: Jesus Christ.

How does this look practically? Churches that meet on Sundays have abandoned the Pattern (example) that Jesus set. The real pattern is loving each other and living life as RELEVANT to your society but not compromised with it. The OT, a shadow of the NT, shows God telling Moses to be sure to build the Tabernacle specifically according to the pattern He'd taken pains to deliver to him on the mountain. This Tabernacle is Jesus Christ or the Church, the Body of Christ. Jesus made the Church an apostolic Church against which satan cannot defend, an offensive Church, not one that's running and ducking responsibility almost 24/7, that retakes from satan what he's stolen. (From the Beginning, God sent Adam to earth with an apostolic mission, as He sent Jesus, which He describes in words that are confusing unless you begin to see that something that isn't explained to us was going on at that time: to subdue the earth, to have dominion, to REplenish the earth, etc. It starts to unfold that satan was or had been creeping about and that Adam was sent to restore and retake full dominion of what he had upset. satan didn't waste any time in stealing Adam's authority which he lost when he allowed Eve to go in front rather than taking the lead.) Churches in buildings keep Jesus out in a very large measure; this is what He hates about them and any other church, house church, cell group, or ministry that does the same. Not the church building but the pattern. These churches restricting Jesus with their 'walls' will not be able to stand against what is coming. Any Christian group that doesn't quickly build on the only foundation that works will be lunch meat for the enemy who is not playing games like Christians are so keen to do. "I can do all things through Christ" and all such misquotes will not save those who cling to the present pattern. If they don't 'get with the program' in time (like the Passover when even the Israelites had to mark their doors with the Blood to escape God's unbiased judgment'), they'll all fall down, all of them.

 

[Allin]

I think you are in the wrong churches! The only reason one should be kicked out of a church is for unrepentant sin. And only after much counseling and trying to help the person.

Your problem is looking for God in prophecy, instead of in prayer and in the Bible. Meeting together is about fellowship, and hearing the Word of God. It is not about something "new" breaking forth in every meeting, unless it is from the excellent expository preaching of the pastor.

Find a more conservative church, let go of these charismatic types, and you will probably not have a problem. I have never been more fed or grown more since I left those type of churches of my own accord. I only saw false prophets, because that is all that is available today.

Prophets were in the Bible, and their words still apply to today.

PS. I do agree with you about women in ministry, but only based on the Greek, and the context of the disputed verses. The New Testament doesn't give us different roles, except to explain that has passed away, after sin brought roles into the world after the Fall. Again, cultural differences explain so much!

Some churches do tend to be more obviously wrong than others; however, it isn't the teaching of conservative churches nor the plastic charismatic nonsense that God is looking at but the obedience of the people. Here's a good passage that describes much of today's Christianity:

"Woe to you who desire the day of the Lord! For what good is the day of the Lord to you? It will be darkness, and not light. It will be as though a man fled from a lion, And a bear met him! Or as though he went into the house, leaned his hand on the wall, and a serpent bit him!

Is not the day of the Lord darkness, and not light? Is it not very dark, with no brightness in it? 'I hate, I despise your feast days, and I do not savor your sacred assemblies. Though you offer Me burnt offerings and your grain offerings, I will not accept them, nor will I regard your fattened peace offerings. Take away from Me the noise of your songs, for I will not hear the melody of your stringed instruments. But let justice run down like water, and righteousness like a mighty stream'" (Amos 5:18-24).

I like how He says, "Take away from Me the noise of your songs." Sounds serious to me. Today, so many Christians can't wait till the end as if it's something good to look forward to. They neglect their fellowman for ministry and whatever else and think they'll bypass God's watching eyes when Jesus made it clear that many Christians will say in that Day all they did but will be removed from His presence for not doing all of it 'the right way'. The summary of all that for the churches is that God doesn't receive our worship (songs), offerings (service for Him), tithe (money), prayers, and performance when we aren't doing the primary things first and most. What are those things? Let justice run down with righteousness... It is to "do justly (to do firstly and most importantly what is right by God, not by others), to love mercy (to relate to others with an attitude of basic caring or genuine regard for their well-being), and to walk humbly with God (keeping your relationship with God secret and not letting everyone know that you're a Christian and about your good works, etc)" (Mic. 6:8). So, it's not how much a church is missing it; any church that's missing the very basic ingredients in the above passage for genuine godliness is the wrong church.

 

[Allin]

I can't say I've ever had the misfortune of being part of a non-biblical church. My pastors have always been humble (but still fallible) men of God. While it seems to be for the best that you no longer associate with that church, I'm sorry to hear you were treated in such an non-Christian manner. Really, the Touch not the Lord's anointed! types just don't display the fruits of the Spirit. Pride is a trap for everyone, but most of all for spiritual leaders. Unfortunately, some just aren't grounded by others and kept accountable for their actions. Also, they don't practice self-discipline of their own. Bless you, brother.

Thanks, and you're right. Don't be sorry. I thought it was great! It didn't bother me at all what happened to me. I was only upset about the guy throwing up on the people and calling it God's of prophetic word. Someone has to start saying something; these people aren't only making others worthless with their worthless words but are riding a super rocket sled due south... and laughing all the way like hyenas. As they walk around puffing out their chests, one can't help but feel genuinely sorry for them. 2Pet. 2 and Jude talks about ministers of this variety with what to me are the most mocking and final judgments in the entire Bible. I'm not in a hurry to be anywhere in their vicinity when it starts to rain.

 

[Tintin]

Thanks, and you're right. Don't be sorry. I thought it was great! It didn't bother me at all what happened to me. I was only upset about the guy throwing up on the people and calling it God's of prophetic word. Someone has to start saying something; these people aren't only making others worthless with their worthless words but are riding a super rocket sled due south... and laughing all the way like hyenas. As they walk around puffing out their chests, one can't help but feel genuinely sorry for them. 2Pet. 2 and Jude talks about ministers of this variety with what to me are the most mocking and final judgments in the entire Bible. I'm not in a hurry to be anywhere in their vicinity when it starts to rain.

I think upsetting the apple cart, if your testimony is anything to go by, has done a world of good and is encouraging others to examine the pastor's words in light of God's Word. Good on you, mate. You're giving courage to those who have none. Stand on God's Word because that's all there is!

 

[Allin]

So nice of you to explain what Paul meant to say. I just wish that God, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit, had picked someone to deliver the message more coherently than Paul did.

I wish the Bible explained everything in modern terms too; but God hides His mysteries in plain sight in such a way that only kings (overcomers) will be able to search them out (discover them). I didn't explain very well as this guy's witchcraft and hatred and my disdain and rollings of eyes met in the middle of the room; but I simplified what he tried to complicate in order to wind the people into his web of lies. I don't mind liars, lying, or lies; but liars lying lies is another story. We don't get along well.