Anyone Else Been Kicked out of Church?

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This is along drawn out thing, but, there are reasons a person can be told not come back and then it is done with this kinda thing, come back when this or that gets straightened out. I meant some people just love to stir up trouble and are bent on changing the church, no go find one that suits you.

There are also stupid reasons, for instance I had a coworker that wanted to join a certain church, they asked for his financial statement and determined that he didn't make enough money to be a member of that church. I hate to be them when we stand before God.
It was awesome; you should've been there! I can set it in today's papers' headlines now: 'Pastor Lays Hands on Man for Prophet's Sake!' I'd write a screenplay about it if I could. I think you'd at least enjoy it in movie format.
 
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phil112

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................the pastor is entitled to ask for money.
Hardly. We are to give willingly to help him, but nowhere does it say he should ask for it.
Entitled:
verb 1. Having a legal right to something, or giving someone a legal right.
 

john832

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Yes, but i deserved it. i went into a midnight mass on Christmas eve, when i was about 15 years old tripping on acid. it was a pretty freaky experience.
It would be pretty freaky without the acid.
 
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How to tell if someone is a false prophet.

"but be on guard I have told you all things beforehand." Mark 13:23, see also John 4:25-26

John weaves this teaching of WHO the last prophet is, in a very different but effective manner.

Since Jesus has told us EVERYTHING, what else is someone else to reveal?
 

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Discouraged? Lol. Dude, it was GLORIOUS. I never in my life understood what it meant to rejoice in persecution, but I was actually quite happy after the whole thing. Understand that I wouldn't say I did it perfectly; not even close. But I love to make a clear distinction between what's from myself and what's from the Lord. My attitude and wanting to kick this guy's teeth in from the beginning was definitely mine; but what happened was of the Lord. The prophet dodged me and wouldn't talk to me alone, so it happened in front of the whole congregation. Because of it, others who've been sitting and nodding are now rethinking things. Who tells someone they are to be punished for disagreeing with the minister? That only happens in religious cults. The people saw all of this; I believe there will be, as with Simeon in Judges 5, "great searchings of heart" in the people. Discouraged. Are you kidding me? You could write a whole movie from the things that happened just in my one month in that church. It was glorious; I can't find a better word. And yes, the right place is right around the corner; I believe it was needful for me to first and finally understand why the Lord wanted me out of institutional churches.
No, I wasn't talking about discouragement about what happened, what happened was good. You said something along the lines of 'I dont believe I belong in institutionalised churches' That's what I was addressing, sorry if it didn't read like that.
 

john832

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As to the title of this thread...

Read my sig.
 
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i just dont feel right in any church...i dont feel welcome or that i fit anywhere in this world...we arent really of this world
just pilgrims passing through..not to be caught in foolish disputes...and i dont like being anywhere where i feel the tension
between people...everyone is unique yet instead of using their individual thinking and talents to edify help teach and strengthen each other
and help one another grow...people use differences to fight or be offended or whatever...i dont know where to go or what to do or think of church
i dont feel good there yet i dont feel good just staying home and plus it is lonely
God makes us all different. Some people are very tough-skinned; some are very tender; then there are all those in between. We're all to get along with each other, bearing with each other's differences so we can all grow instead of misunderstanding our differences and being exclusive and rejecting. Your post reminds me of an old song by Kim Hill that says that God has a place for all of us even here on earth so that we fit and after joined with the Body and aren't alone or lonely. It's called 'A Place for Us'. The chorus sings, "There's a place for us where healing waters flow, where peace will come and Love will grow. By a river of compassion there's a house filled with Love. Somewhere in His perfect Grace there's a place for us." There are many people who don't feel comfortable or right in church, because church is about performance. Even when everyone means well, the way the church structure is currently set up requires performance which gets in God's way.

I was in a church where God manifested in a leadership meeting where no one was performing. As soon as 'the program' started (worship, etc.), He was gone, and we were left only with what so many Christians settle for: the gifts of the Spirit. Those gifts flowed and flowed in that church, but God was not there (for those who think that can't happen, take a glance at satan for a second and ask yourselves where his own 'gifts' that he still has came from; then ask yourself if God hangs anywhere around him; then look at the epistle 1Corinthians). Spiritual gifts and correct doctrine don't touch or change people, but God does. After the so-called worship music fades and the country club dissipates, we realize that people may want entertainment and spiritual gifts, but that, as Keith Green sang, "people need the Lord". We've all heard how wonderful Heaven is, but there's hope here on earth too.
 
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Realize what a prophet is, a man who is sent by God to do the will of God. He need not give prophecy or speak mysteries, but stand on God's side. That day my friend, YOU were the prophet.
Well, let's not start with the name calling. Lol. I'm a family man, and I'm not at all interested in lights and fame but my wife and my babies; but "God makes men what they are". You're right: prophets aren't diviners; they don't talk a great deal of hyper-spiritual stuff but deliver God's words in all practicality... so that we can do it. That day, God got to break in for a second. It was awesome. My friend is still really excited about it. He says that he knew the guy contradicted God's Word and was not a man of God. He is telling everyone else about it and someone he knows wants to meet with me tomorrow to talk as he attended that church and says that his wife wanted to confront the prophet and say the same things. What I'm happy about is that people who sat still thinking they have to yield to everyone who calls himself a man of God are starting to wake up and think for themselves. In Eph. 4, Paul says that the five-fold ministry is given to, in part, bring Christians to maturity so that we don't bend and turn and believe for every charlatan that comes along, cannibalistic sheep with wolf breath who want only to steal from the people. I'm always for provoking people to use their minds and exercise their right to think, their right to be discerning.
 
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Wow, how you completely misunderstood that post. Some people have a really hard time feeling right in large and very public forums - because yes, they are sensitive. If you're evil and you insult me, I have a good defense, but if I'm at church, I'll cry for days. So I am still looking for one I might tolerate. It's not because I'm picky, it's because I'm prone to depression and anxiety and large social settings make that worse. Don't pick on people who are already having a hard time. :(
I'd give this five likes if I could; I totally agree and understand.
 
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Wow, how you completely misunderstood that post. Some people have a really hard time feeling right in large and very public forums - because yes, they are sensitive. If you're evil and you insult me, I have a good defense, but if I'm at church, I'll cry for days. So I am still looking for one I might tolerate. It's not because I'm picky, it's because I'm prone to depression and anxiety and large social settings make that worse. Don't pick on people who are already having a hard time. :(
No, but I've been kicked out of a lot of places for standing my ground. Then I realized....I'm not getting into conflict because someone else is haughty and self righteous and because the world is messed up. It would have been priceless if you would have just stood up and left. I guess I'm with whoever said find a less charismatic church.
I wanted to stand up and leave from the first day. A friend of mine, the one the prophet gave fake words, did leave the very first day and never returned. I stayed because I wanted to see what God was saying about such nonsense. In the end, it was:

1. one confused church: a dime a dozen.

2. one false prophet: valued at lots of dimes.

3. one smart aleck with a wrench and a grin: priceless.

Smile. Change is good when it's good.
 

Apostol2013

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I think I finally got the message loud and clear today: I don't belong in institutional churches. I was going to a church that just got a visiting pastor a month ago from overseas who came in and called himself a prophet. He proceeded to milk the people of their money-- two offerings a Sunday, to brag almost non-stop of his spiritual conquests, to teach what he calls special 'mysteries' that others don't know, and to hint to the congregation that on some level he's God. This guy was fake from day one, and he knew that I knew. But after the Lord made it clear that I don't belong in the extremely tight confines of institutional church and that I'd be leaving this church soon (didn't know it'd be like this), I finally got the left boot of fellowship today. Well... several left boots.

The prophet allows people to interact during the service. He prefers to be the only one speaking and lets people ask questions because he wants to be the savior with all the answers. (He gave my friend a fake word our first day there; that didn't help his credibility which was to be at 2% at the most.) So, when he said today that women can't be pastors, apostles, prophets, etc., I raised my hand. Most people just speak up, but I only raised my hand to show goodwill since I already knew that he hated my eyes looking through his facade. With a really pained look on his face, he raised his arm as if it was in a cast and pointed at me to speak. Again, knowing that he preferred I kept my mouth shut, I asked him if I could speak. Looking like he had sudden constipation, he said I could... but then he said I must stand to address him as everyone who addresses him must stand. I asked if I could remain seated, but he demanded that I stand. I mumbled something special about him as I stood up, then I began to explain to him that if women could be ministers in the OT, then the NT Law of Grace must be even more lenient. The women in church all agreed pretty vigorously (which was surprising since they all agreed with what he said since they felt obligated to this 'prophet'), and even some men nodded. Gee, but everyone was quiet except me. I continued, putting Paul's statement that women not teach in perspective. When this self-important waste of space (not very godly, but honest) realized that someone had read their Bible too, he went into attack mode. It was then that he told me to sit down and shut up. The women hoped I would keep speaking; the men were nervous and urged me to sit which I did, explaining all the way down that I wasn't trying to start an argument but was addressing what he said. When this prophet saw that he was losing his hold on the people, as people were murmuring and all that, he told me that my punishment for speaking against him (well, I certainly didn't feel I'd spoken against him though I wouldn't mind throwing him out of a moving car... excuse my honesty) was that I must remain standing the rest of the service or leave. Because I did neither, he sicked the usher on me. Still explaining my intention as I was led out, this prophet began to pretty much slander me. I'd had it and called him a false prophet who required and stole the people's worship and money, etc. I said his falsehood will surface in time. The church pastor, his loyal follower, had had it and ran at me to shove me out the church. There was a real commotion as four people laid hands on me (and not for prayer), restraining and pushing and shoving and trying to restrain the pastor from growing more hands that he could put on me. The pastor kept threatening to lay hands on me (as if he hadn't already) which I would've welcomed if I didn't respect people in authority (just being honest). We sort of tumbled out into the street (what people would've thought if they knew this was 'church' for us) as they tried to keep the pastor, who kept assuring me that he wasn't scared of me (as if a frightened person is a good opponent), from reaching me. After they restrained him and took himself inside, after his wife threatened to call the police on me, they told me I must leave and never return. I wasn't unhappy at the prospect.

Later on, two people from church and my friend said that agreed with me. At least two people (one a minister in the church) said that they didn't like what that were witnessing in the church in general and would not return. I didn't conduct myself in the godliest fashion, but I certainly wasn't feeling condemned at all.

In summer '12, I was standing outside a church that did a lot of prophetic stuff, waiting to go in for the service when the Lord (Jesus) began to speak to me. He told me clearly to leave that church and that He would lead me to a fellowship of likeminded believers whom He affectionately called, "The Lord's people" several times. When I returned to institutionai church looking for this fellowship, He reminded me of what the angel said to those who went to Jesus' tomb to find Him: "Why do you seek the living (Jesus) among the dead (institutional churches that keep Jesus at a distance when their programs)." I didn't get it and kept looking. A few days ago, He made it clear that I'd be leaving the church I got put out of today. I got put out, and now I get it. The truth is that something is either real or it's not; churches today give God a very little space to actually do anything (worship, sermon, and ending prayer) because they want to keep full control of all aspects of their lives. Even practically it doesn't make sense to pay loads for a building and even more to maintain it weekly but only use it once or two days or just several hours a week. When you start asking questions or state that you want something more realistic, you end up rocking the boat.

My friend had told me about a good book about how God has abandoned and literally left church as we know it. (I don't think it's very coincidental that most times I was in church and had to talk to God about anything important, I literally had to step outside the church where He was basically waiting. (This happened in the above experience I mentioned where the Lord told me to leave, in Rochester in '06, at a Messianic church in '12, and in another church last year.)) I was ordering this book on my phone from Amazon when the fiasco in the church started. I don't know about false prophets, but I think that was pretty prophetic! Here's the link: Amazon.com: Jesus Has Left the Building (9780971804081): Paul Vieira: Books.

Anyone else spoken up and gotten the left boot of fellowship? At least I finally know without a doubt that HD institutional church isn't for me. The worst part is that it's not for the Lord either.
The problem is not the prothetic but in adherance to God's word for a king is not above the law of the goverment and whether prophet apostle whosoever it be must be in full accordance to true gospel , but there is correct order in the things of the presbyter but we ministers apostles and prophets must obey all commandme.ts outlined by christ and the apostles you will continue to grow in wisdom , but donot suffer the tares to teach u but learn from the Godly that your faith be exercised sharpened to resist the whales of the enemy
 
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I think I finally got the message loud and clear today: I don't belong in institutional churches. I was going to a church that just got a visiting pastor a month ago from overseas who came in and called himself a prophet.
it would be better if you made distinctions when saying institutional churches. unless of course you just don't want to keep struggling to find the true church where there are no prophets or bilking or unbiblical "preaching", ad nauseum. just keep looking. you'll find it.
 

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I certainly come across many untrained prophets and personel that are noT matured i myself have learned to keep silence in churches only to keep the peace but every once in a while i speak up when the doctrine is dangerous to the faith . But as far as women called to ministry they are few and the regulations are many , for one when a woman taking miniatry role it is almost allways with her husband as a whole the both are comissioned but the man as allways the head , the women otherwise must learn from their husbands as this strengthens the bond and family structure and keeps order but the women are not forbiden just everything has order and not everyone is called to leadership but few , they must be chosen by God comissioned and gifted through Christ and the Holy Ghost the otherwomen in charge of teaching the younger women are usually an older widowed lady thst has raised all her kids and has reached a majority of years and of good reputation(testimony) i would deemththis also upon the older married women who have been good examples and had raised all their children because at this point they are good teachers to the young women through experience..
 
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I think I finally got the message loud and clear today: I don't belong in institutional churches. I was going to a church that just got a visiting pastor a month ago from overseas who came in and called himself a prophet. He proceeded to milk the people of their money-- two offerings a Sunday, to brag almost non-stop of his spiritual conquests, to teach what he calls special 'mysteries' that others don't know, and to hint to the congregation that on some level he's God. --------
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Anyone else spoken up and gotten the left boot of fellowship? At least I finally know without a doubt that HD institutional church isn't for me. The worst part is that it's not for the Lord either.
i had hard experiences to leave Church many times..but with God am sticking on.
i went through a lot,a lot i must say...but God brought me back again to the same Fellowship.

i don't care about the proud self-righteous people there because yea,am the tax collector compared to the noble men there..
So i go there to be in Presence of God to cleanse myself and somehow go back to the Glory of God when my life is over.

So i think i have a different experience to say.Its not what the people in church get to say,but what God says that matters.i ignored till now many reproaches..still moving on by God's Grace..
 

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Yes, but i deserved it. i went into a midnight mass on Christmas eve, when i was about 15 years old tripping on acid. it was a pretty freaky experience.
This is where I get a little upset with religious people. Maybe you should not be in church in that state, but the fact that you were there and maybe God led you there they should have offered you assistance rather than the door to leave. After all church should be a hospital for sinners not a place for self righteous.
 
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phil112

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This is where I get a little upset with religious people. Maybe you should not be in church in that state, but the fact that you were there and maybe God led you there they should have offered you assistance rather than the door to leave. After all church should be a hospital for sinners not a place for self righteous.
You have no clue about what acid tripping is. No one can help someone that is high on that. It is a matter of waiting it out until it wears off.
 
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I love the boldness you used not the wisdom though. Everything you said was right and I'm in agreement. But! the confusion and tension was not right. Yes you had every right to say what you said when asked but it was you speaking the words the Holy spirit should have been speaking. Who knows maybe this was needed but it was handled in a way that would seem to be uncharacteristic of how or Lord would have handled it. Just a thought. And hear me I agree with what you said. I just would have desired that you apply more wisdom to that situation instead of the spectacle that was made. In any wise move on continue to be bold but let God direct the lips and actions.
I'm not looking for people to agree with me; if I was, I would've told the story differently. Yes, it was needed but not handled how Jesus would've handled it. There was some tension, yes, but little confusion. There are people who've wanted to confront the prophet and who never did. I meant to handle it with wisdom behind closed doors; good thing this prophet avoided me so we could do it in front of everyone else. Behind closed doors, he would've waved me off with his limp hand as if he was too spiritual to listen to me; but in from of everyone else, he could wave me out, but he couldn't wave off what I had to say. Everyone heard me, and everyone heard him. They finally saw an opportunity to make a decision about that prophet and church based on truth rather than one liar lying lies and no one allowed to say differently. Again, I'm happy it happened. No one wilted because of it; rather, people began to question the premise of this prophet and what they allowed him to get by with (such as demanding that I stand up throughout the service (services ran from 3 to five hours) or leave when it wasn't even his church). Big talk; I can talk louder and back it up. He was way behind me in the things he bragged about. I make a better sinner than he if he wanted to brag about that; hopefully, I make a better Saint too :)
 
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wow, stepped on some toes I guess. there are churches that have only 10 members or so if don't like crowds. Jeee whiz start your own.
Why don't you calm down a little and let people be. You couldn't convince me in five hundred lifetimes that your version of Christianity actually satisfies you. Since that's the case, don't step on people who actually want to be satisfied by 'church'. Job said it best to his accusing friends: if you have nothing encouraging to say to someone who's suffering, refraining from speaking is the only type of wisdom you can show. Who are you impressing with your impatience and ignorance? Be patient with people, please.