Self Defense - Is it wrong?

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Self Defense - Is it wrong?

  • Yes it is wrong.

    Votes: 5 9.4%
  • No it is okay.

    Votes: 29 54.7%
  • It is only okay under certain conditions.

    Votes: 18 34.0%
  • I don't know.

    Votes: 1 1.9%

  • Total voters
    53
  • Poll closed .
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I think there also might be a geographical perspective to this.

Someone in Texas or Arizona might think a little differently from someone in Massachusetts or Prince Edward Island.
No question.
 
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Every single time I've read Ps. 3:2, I have not been able to stop myself from chuckling even if I wasn't in the mood to laugh. The verse says, "Many are they that say of my soul, 'There is no help for him in God.'" It makes me chuckle because it's true but false. Same here. As for fighting, I prefer to get someone else to do it for me. If I have to do it myself, then I get pretty upset.
I promise you this. As a child nearly being kidnapped or when I was 8 and watching my father break my mothers nose in 3 places. While she held my 1 month old brother who was covered in her blood I watched her slide down the wall. There was no chuckling.
 
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another great reason to have my gun against my side pointed at the ground :)
The problem with that is that a grown man can close 21ft in a second and a half. Inside a house you're dealing with much closer distance.
 
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The problem with that is that a grown man can close 21ft in a second and a half. Inside a house you're dealing with much closer distance.
lol, no grown man is covering 21 feet in a second and a half in my house in the dark lol :) It just depends on who you are I guess. He has to detect me before he can attack me. I wreckon each situation will be different :) worst comes to worst "point and click"
 
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The most beneficial moment is when the darkness stops being your enemy and it becomes your ally. Once the darkness stops being that obstacle that hides the monster and becomes a blanket that hides you- the fear can leave.

When fear leaves we think more clearly. Less likely to panic and do something stupid- like shoot the wrong person.

The person intruding in your house likely doesn't think they are detected. (element of surprise is yours +1 for you) rational thinking will tell you that as long as you don't let them SEE you or HEAR you that they could not possibly detect you. So you focus on your breathing. Slow and even. Don't hold your breath or you will run out of breath and start breathing heavily (not good for silence) Then you could if you wanted to, remain very still and listen to the darkness. After all in the dark, the game of sounds wins. You could likely find out where they are in your house and if there is more than one, likely even what they are after if you place yourself where you can listen from the dark.

but again this is ONLY if you had to protect someone on the other side of your house. Can't hide in my room with my kids being vulnerable. However if this wing is everyone, then so much the better.
 
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Most burglars don't break into houses with the intent of harming or killing whoever might be inside. To that end, I don't believe it's reasonable or justifiable to preemptively attack an intruder with a lethal weapon, even if others are present in the house.
 
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Most burglars don't break into houses with the intent of harming or killing whoever might be inside. To that end, I don't believe it's reasonable or justifiable to preemptively attack an intruder with a lethal weapon, even if others are present in the house.
all just depends on how it unfolds.
 
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Most burglars don't break into houses with the intent of harming or killing whoever might be inside. To that end, I don't believe it's reasonable or justifiable to preemptively attack an intruder with a lethal weapon, even if others are present in the house.
Sometimes one has the absurd situation where an injured intruder sues a householder for hurting him. This makes no sense.

But then in the US a deaf young man was delivering free papers (I forget in which state) and the householder shouted he didn't want it, and the deaf young man didn't hear him and kept on walking up the path, and the householder shot him dead, and got away with it. This also makes no sense.
 
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Texas!, Texas!, Texas! LOL
 
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You guys aren't handling the situation correctly. I have a state of the art alarm system, on long term UPS backup so it works for days if the power goes out, with hot button sites all over the house. I just hit the button and it goes crazy. Lights flashing inside and out, high decibel piercing screeching alarm, AND a signal straight to the local police station.

Of course, I'm already following my home security plan professionally designed by the local security company while all that is happening and yes weapons and defensive gear are included. I won't put it out there past this, of course, as that would degrade my security, but it's not a game. Don't come here unless you're invited.

If some criminal tries to pull a "Richard Ramirez" in the middle of the night, he's not leaving with any "souvenirs." That's not going to happen. Though it's not Texas unfortunately (and I wish it was): you mess with the bull you get the horn. It's just saving taxpayers money. EOM.
 
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Just messing with you Deadtossin ;). Have to stay one step ahead and out of the box you know.
 
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And if it happens to you and it's not a tweaker but a BTK type killer, do you explain this to them while they are doing what they do to you?

Trust me when I say this is one of those topics where an ounce of prevention really is worth a pound of cure.



Most burglars don't break into houses with the intent of harming or killing whoever might be inside. To that end, I don't believe it's reasonable or justifiable to preemptively attack an intruder with a lethal weapon, even if others are present in the house.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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Sure, like I said:

"I put my trust in God and make sure I'm prepared and exercising wisdom... Do not think because I believe in legitimate self-defense that I do not also simultaneously believe in following and trusting God. There is power in prayer.

God gives me wisdom to know what to do in each situation.

The Bible tell us to be prepared, be wise, be innocent, pray always, trust God, live at peace with all people as best as we can, etc... I do not see these as mutually exclusive but all one thing. We do them ALL."

Over and over again you hear people who have survived criminality talk about how they had a "bad feeling" before it happened and they wish they had left because if they had it wouldn't have. Those are red flags God gives us and we need to learn to listen to them.

If I'm somewhere and sense God warning me, I'm going to take action to remove myself from the situation. I love God for that and this internal warning system that we have from Him is extremely valuable in this fallen world where not everyone is a good person with good morals that follows the social contract/golden rule.

It's just not one or the other to me but all pieces of one puzzle so that we'll be safer, maybe not from government persecution if it goes that way like it has so many times before since 1 AD, but the criminal element at least.


Every single time I've read Ps. 3:2, I have not been able to stop myself from chuckling even if I wasn't in the mood to laugh. The verse says, "Many are they that say of my soul, 'There is no help for him in God.'" It makes me chuckle because it's true but false. Same here. As for fighting, I prefer to get someone else to do it for me. If I have to do it myself, then I get pretty upset.
 
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MidniteWelder

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Most burglars don't break into houses with the intent of harming or killing whoever might be inside. To that end, I don't believe it's reasonable or justifiable to preemptively attack an intruder with a lethal weapon, even if others are present in the house.
No they usually break in to tickle you :rolleyes:
Hard to prosecute on the grounds of premeditated tickling and things just got out of hand right.
 
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it's a very good thread.
Scenario for you: you are awakened in the night to an intruder in your house. You have a handgun in your night stand for home protection. What should you do? And more importantly, what shouldn't you do?
Offer up a quick prayer, call the police and put them on speaker as loud as possible, yell really loud that the intruder better leave or else; then cock your gun as loudly as possible and wait for their reaction. Praying before bed hopefully prevents this kind of thing from happening at all.
 
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Offer up a quick prayer, call the police and put them on speaker as loud as possible, yell really loud that the intruder better leave or else; then cock your gun as loudly as possible and wait for their reaction. Praying before bed hopefully prevents this kind of thing from happening at all.
Not bad, maybe after cocking your gun, laying on the floor off to the side pointed up at the door. Speaker phone not on the ground near you lol
 
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it's a very good thread.
Sure, like I said:

"I put my trust in God and make sure I'm prepared and exercising wisdom... Do not think because I believe in legitimate self-defense that I do not also simultaneously believe in following and trusting God. There is power in prayer.

God gives me wisdom to know what to do in each situation.

The Bible tell us to be prepared, be wise, be innocent, pray always, trust God, live at peace with all people as best as we can, etc... I do not see these as mutually exclusive but all one thing. We do them ALL."

Over and over again you hear people who have survived criminality talk about how they had a "bad feeling" before it happened and they wish they had left because if they had it wouldn't have. Those are red flags God gives us and we need to learn to listen to them.

If I'm somewhere and sense God warning me, I'm going to take action to remove myself from the situation. I love God for that and this internal warning system that we have from Him is extremely valuable in this fallen world where not everyone is a good person with good morals that follows the social contract/golden rule.

It's just not one or the other to me but all pieces of one puzzle so that we'll be safer, maybe not from government persecution if it goes that way like it has so many times before since 1 AD, but the criminal element at least.
I agree. I've been in really bad situations before. It helps to understand human psychology in such situations: some people swell up and act tough in bad situations; others shrink inward and try to slither by unnoticed. Both reactions can get you in trouble: swelled up, you might trigger someone's natural protective, prideful, or territorial instinct and they react; shrink in and you may trigger their predatory instinct and they react; but if you pretend to be harmless and simultaneously walk confidently through, that upsets most people's desire to attack as your confidence and innocence contradict each other and leaves them not knowing what to do. It's probably not the best advice, but it works. Your confidence tells them they better not attack, and your innocence tells them they shouldn't attack; but separate, each one can actually provoke an attack. Also, if you can appear genuinely friendly (which some may view as naive) and also confident (which some may view as cocky), they normally won't be able to find a reason to attack you as most people are either one or the other but not both, and it makes people with a predatory mindset pause or stop all together: they'll just watch you walk on by. Its like where you read in the Bible where Israel would pass through some nation and the people saw their innocence (and wanted to attack) but then there was another presence which the Bible says was "the fear of the Lord" that prevented people from attacking. It's like two people walking together instead of just one: innocence and confidence.
 
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it's a very good thread.
You guys aren't handling the situation correctly. I have a state of the art alarm system, on long term UPS backup so it works for days if the power goes out, with hot button sites all over the house. I just hit the button and it goes crazy. Lights flashing inside and out, high decibel piercing screeching alarm, AND a signal straight to the local police station.

Of course, I'm already following my home security plan professionally designed by the local security company while all that is happening and yes weapons and defensive gear are included. I won't put it out there past this, of course, as that would degrade my security, but it's not a game. Don't come here unless you're invited.

If some criminal tries to pull a "Richard Ramirez" in the middle of the night, he's not leaving with any "souvenirs." That's not going to happen. Though it's not Texas unfortunately (and I wish it was): you mess with the bull you get the horn. It's just saving taxpayers money. EOM.
I promise you this. As a child nearly being kidnapped or when I was 8 and watching my father break my mothers nose in 3 places. While she held my 1 month old brother who was covered in her blood I watched her slide down the wall. There was no chuckling.
I've never had to defend myself before from any attack. I did punish someone with a 2x4 once for threatening to kill me and he probably found God afterward. I only used the 2x4 because he wasn't worth the energy or any part of my body touching him. He didn't show in court. If I ever have the unfortunate instance of having to defend myself or someone else, the other person can testify that what parents tell you when you're little us a lie: "You never solve anything by hitting someone." I make sure I'm not in the wrong so if wrong comes to me, I'm fully justified to react, and the person may send someone else if it was that type of situation, but they'll never try it again that's for absolute sure.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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I just remembered another situation where God showed up. Back in the early 90's, I was going into this inner-city DMV to ask a quick question (I needed directions and was lost in the "wrong" area) and yes I was the only white person in the entire DMV or DMV parking lot.

Now I'm 6' 220, but this HUGE black thug came up to me (this guy was phenom enormous and literally towered over me). I held up my hand and told him to keep his distance as he approached so he started trying to put me at ease with his speech obviously as a precursor for going for a knockout (internal alarms were ringing and the Lord was telling me everything I needed to know about this guy).

Get this though, I opened my mouth to tell him I knew what he was about and there would be no free shot but what came out was something totally different.

God simply took over and I found myself telling this guy, "Praise God, He's so good" and literally spent two minutes simply praising God in front of this guy.

God had totally taken over and it wasn't me doing it. I was just along for the ride.

The man's countenance changed and he walked off with a "I'm not going to let you con me with that God stuff anymore" look on his face.

I was like, "what just happened God? You said all that stuff through me and it worked."

I have no explanation, of course, other than what happened. I don't know the man. I don't know why praising God was enough to dissuade that particular individual from attempting to assault and rob me when it wouldn't have someone else. I just know what happened. But God knew.


Offer up a quick prayer, call the police and put them on speaker as loud as possible, yell really loud that the intruder better leave or else; then cock your gun as loudly as possible and wait for their reaction. Praying before bed hopefully prevents this kind of thing from happening at all.