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Seeing how one of the primary writers of the NT struggled with the sin nature, I suspect any honest person would admit to having a similar difficulty...
For we know that the Law is spiritual, but I am of flesh, sold into bondage to sin. For what I am doing, I do not understand; for I am not practicing what I would like to do, but I am doing the very thing I hate. But if I do the very thing I do not want to do, I agree with the Law, confessing that the Law is good. So now, no longer am I the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me. For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh; for the willing is present in me, but the doing of the good is not. For the good that I want, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want. But if I am doing the very thing I do not want, I am no longer the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me. I find then the principle that evil is present in me, the one who wants to do good. For I joyfully concur with the law of God in the inner man, but I see a different law in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin which is in my members. Wretched man that I am! Who will set me free from the body of this death? Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, on the one hand I myself with my mind am serving the law of God, but on the other, with my flesh the law of sin. -Paul speaking in Romans 7:14-25
For we know that the Law is spiritual, but I am of flesh, sold into bondage to sin. For what I am doing, I do not understand; for I am not practicing what I would like to do, but I am doing the very thing I hate. But if I do the very thing I do not want to do, I agree with the Law, confessing that the Law is good. So now, no longer am I the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me. For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh; for the willing is present in me, but the doing of the good is not. For the good that I want, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want. But if I am doing the very thing I do not want, I am no longer the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me. I find then the principle that evil is present in me, the one who wants to do good. For I joyfully concur with the law of God in the inner man, but I see a different law in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin which is in my members. Wretched man that I am! Who will set me free from the body of this death? Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, on the one hand I myself with my mind am serving the law of God, but on the other, with my flesh the law of sin. -Paul speaking in Romans 7:14-25
I really don't think that is in context.
This is in the very beginning of 1 John, literally the verse just before this says that Jesus' blood cleanses us from all sin, the next verse appears to address people who would feel they didn't need the blood of Jesus because they have no sin. (as in they don't need a Savior)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
This is in the very beginning of 1 John, literally the verse just before this says that Jesus' blood cleanses us from all sin, the next verse appears to address people who would feel they didn't need the blood of Jesus because they have no sin. (as in they don't need a Savior)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
C
James is not Paul's rival, they agree 100% on everything. 
Where does the evil desire come from??? The sinful nature that still dwells within this corruptible body. We won't escape that sinful nature until we get an incorruptible body.
Where does the evil desire come from??? The sinful nature that still dwells within this corruptible body. We won't escape that sinful nature until we get an incorruptible body.
P
okay. so, here's the thing about never sinning again.
falling short of the glory of God involves much more than actions.
for example, God's Law tells us to love Him with ALL our hearts, ALL our souls, ALL our minds, and ALL our strength.
100% of the time, 24/7/365 your whole life long.
yeah....how's that working out for ya?
in order to say we don't ever sin, we have to do one of two things.
either overestimate our own moral performance,
or underestimate the requirements of God's Law. (like, srsly underestimate it!)
whether we know it or not, in claiming we are sinless we have reduced
the level of God's righteousness to that of our own performance.
falling short of the glory of God involves much more than actions.
for example, God's Law tells us to love Him with ALL our hearts, ALL our souls, ALL our minds, and ALL our strength.
100% of the time, 24/7/365 your whole life long.
yeah....how's that working out for ya?
in order to say we don't ever sin, we have to do one of two things.
either overestimate our own moral performance,
or underestimate the requirements of God's Law. (like, srsly underestimate it!)
whether we know it or not, in claiming we are sinless we have reduced
the level of God's righteousness to that of our own performance.
C
And John concluded by saying we know that anyone born of God does not continue to sin, the one who was born of God keeps him safe, and the evil one cannot harm him.
Do we know or do we not?
We have no excuse but come to the High Priest to have our feet cleansed everyday and put on the whole armour of God, until then...
Do we know or do we not?
We have no excuse but come to the High Priest to have our feet cleansed everyday and put on the whole armour of God, until then...
I think the issue between the "never sin again" and the "we all fall short" isn't really a big difference. It reminds me of politicians focusing on small details and missing the bigger picture.
I do not fit in any human specified grouping, politically, spiritually or otherwise.
Here is what I believe.
1. We all fall short of the glory of God.
(I ask Him daily in my prayers to forgive me my trespasses, even the ones I'm not aware I've committed- I am not the Judge)
2. Jesus defeated sin, in every possible way.
3. The Holy Spirit dwells in me and guides me.
4. I never HAVE to sin. The bonds have been loosed
5. I do not pretend even in my own mind that I will never fail, such a thought is haughty and high minded.
6. revert back to #4
I don't worry about the past and I don't focus on the future. I am here now, and you know who is here with me? Jesus Christ. If someone says "do you admit you will sin again?" the answer is "No, I don't even know if I'll live another 15 minutes, why would you try and trap me in my words regarding a future I don't know?"
Hear this. "GOD. HAS. DEFEATED. SIN." I do not EVER have to sin. Will I fall short? of course. There are sins I may not even realize I've committed. Does God give me ways out of temptation? the bible says yes.
So where are we with all of this?
God is here. He defeated sin. He loves you. You do the math.
I do not fit in any human specified grouping, politically, spiritually or otherwise.
Here is what I believe.
1. We all fall short of the glory of God.
(I ask Him daily in my prayers to forgive me my trespasses, even the ones I'm not aware I've committed- I am not the Judge)
2. Jesus defeated sin, in every possible way.
3. The Holy Spirit dwells in me and guides me.
4. I never HAVE to sin. The bonds have been loosed
5. I do not pretend even in my own mind that I will never fail, such a thought is haughty and high minded.
6. revert back to #4
I don't worry about the past and I don't focus on the future. I am here now, and you know who is here with me? Jesus Christ. If someone says "do you admit you will sin again?" the answer is "No, I don't even know if I'll live another 15 minutes, why would you try and trap me in my words regarding a future I don't know?"
Hear this. "GOD. HAS. DEFEATED. SIN." I do not EVER have to sin. Will I fall short? of course. There are sins I may not even realize I've committed. Does God give me ways out of temptation? the bible says yes.
So where are we with all of this?
God is here. He defeated sin. He loves you. You do the math.
K
Here is the concept Paul was trying to point out. Our spiritual mindedness will not sin, but our body of flesh still sins.
Walking in the spirit means we keep sin from reigning our mortal bodies. Before we were consumed by it, and served it. But now we recognized it, repent, and ask forgiveness of it before it controls us again.
Walking in the spirit means we keep sin from reigning our mortal bodies. Before we were consumed by it, and served it. But now we recognized it, repent, and ask forgiveness of it before it controls us again.
K
You will sin, you cannot avoid it , Read Romans 7. We will not be perfect until the perfect comes. In the mean time we will sin because we are in flesh bodies and is why we need the Holy Spirit to point out the sin so we can repent.
This where OSAS fails and is in error, because if we sin and we will, but if we justify our sin by scripture as OSAS do. Then we are at risk of hell fire.
Lord I danced for you and sang songs for you, depart from me you worker of iniquity for I never knew you.
This where OSAS fails and is in error, because if we sin and we will, but if we justify our sin by scripture as OSAS do. Then we are at risk of hell fire.
Lord I danced for you and sang songs for you, depart from me you worker of iniquity for I never knew you.
I would have to disagree kennethcadwell, there's no mention of spiritual mindedness or flesh here. It's pretty straight forward that whoever is born of God does not commit sin. We have to take that and figure out what that means... we know we still commit sin.
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
K
We know that Jesus did not sin, for the scriptures say that.
We do however still sin, even when born again, and yes Paul does say spiritually he does not sin but the body does sin. Therefore he still does things he shouldn't.
Sinning after being born again part only applies if you consider that as when you have a change in mind/heart.
Others look at it this way:
Born of water and spirit; the water ( natural birth in the flesh ), spirit ( when we are transformed into our spiritual bodies )
We do however still sin, even when born again, and yes Paul does say spiritually he does not sin but the body does sin. Therefore he still does things he shouldn't.
Sinning after being born again part only applies if you consider that as when you have a change in mind/heart.
Others look at it this way:
Born of water and spirit; the water ( natural birth in the flesh ), spirit ( when we are transformed into our spiritual bodies )
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we certainly DO have to give up all sins step by step
repent constantly
read the word
see a problem
repent
stop the sin
move on
it is constant walk with truth.
each day there is more to give up
that is the warfare and the walk
someone said
whats the deal Jesus died for us dont worry about it
that is not the way the truth and the life.
repent constantly
read the word
see a problem
repent
stop the sin
move on
it is constant walk with truth.
each day there is more to give up
that is the warfare and the walk
someone said
whats the deal Jesus died for us dont worry about it
that is not the way the truth and the life.