Modesty, Modesty... Modesty!

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Calmador

Calmador

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Grace-Like-Rain said:
I believe that the reactions you are getting here are due to your lack of respect (ie. contempt) for women who don't dress modestly in your eyes. It's a good thing to respect and appreciate modestly dressed women, but disgust and apparent hatred toward those who you feel are not modest is off-putting, regardless of how justified you believe it is.
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That's not a lack of respect for women. And I don't hate women. I don't know where you got that from...

I think the real reason why some people have expressed conflict against me is because of past experiences... they relate to past experiences. Also, like you... they've assumed things that are not true. You believe I hate those women. Your wrong. Please don't say lies about me.
 
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Grace-Like-Rain said:
I believe that the reactions you are getting here are due to your lack of respect (ie. contempt) for women who don't dress modestly in your eyes. It's a good thing to respect and appreciate modestly dressed women, but disgust and apparent hatred toward those who you feel are not modest is off-putting, regardless of how justified you believe it is.
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Exactly!

A man should WORSHIP his woman....and her body... why would he want to make her feel uncomfortable.
He should make her feel good about herself not cover her up!
That's being real STIFF!
 
Calmador

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Ella85 said:
No, that's the way you perceive things... I do not see it that way.
I am not saying wear shorts that show you ass cheeks...but shorts are fine, bikinis are fine...
You know something..? If a guy walked up to me and spoke to me as if I was "his sex object" it would be my right to tell him to go get ....

By the way........ You don't have to wear a bikini for a guy to speak to you with disrespect. If it is in the guys nature to be this way he will.

He needs to respect me, my body, and everything about me.
I'm not going to stop wearing shorts...that's ridiculous I'm not an object where a man can tell me how to dress.
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No, that's pretty much the way it IS.

When you wear a bikini, your almost naked. Its immodest. Adam and Eve were ashamed when they were naked. That's not okay.

I know. However, wearing immodest clothing will more likely invite such disrespect though and no doubt, attract guys that are not good for you.

Your not an object but you like to be seen as one? And if you are Christian, you should respect God enough to dress modestly.

You didn't answer the last and most important question... what about what God thinks? He says, clearly, you should dress modestly. What do you think of that?
 
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Ella85

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Calmador said:
No, that's pretty much the way it IS.

When you wear a bikini, your almost naked. Its immodest. Adam and Eve were ashamed when they were naked. That's not okay.

I know. However, wearing immodest clothing will more likely invite such disrespect though and no doubt, attract guys that are not good for you.

Your not an object but you like to be seen as one? And if you are Christian, you should respect God enough to dress modestly.

You didn't answer the last and most important question... what about what God thinks? He says, clearly, you should dress modestly. What do you think of that?
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I think that when you are in public, you should dress somewhat modest yes.
When I say modest I mean -

No cleavage
No ass cheeks
No stomach


I think singlet tops are fine, shorts are fine, dresses are fine (to a certain length)

When you go to the beach bikini's are FINE as you are at the BEACH lol

What you want to go for a dip in your JEANS AHAHAHA

What do you want us to wear at the beach??? It's not like a guy is going to come up to you and check you out specifically because you are wearing a bikini.... I mean.... what are the chances he picks YOU out of the 100000 other girls that are there unless you are really really good looking :)
 
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Calmador said:
I don't know what the Princess Complex thread is like... but fundamentally, I just don't like immodesty. Do you want me to be outraged for women not showing off thier chest.. and bodies.. you want me to be outraged that there isn't enough women dressing immodest.

I don't understand people's repulsiveness to me when I want to be able to respect women. I want to see women as LADIES. I want get married with a woman who is classy and beautiful on the INSIDE. What's your problem?
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Dude doesn't have a clue. What's her problem? More like, what's your problem?
Lay off the ladies, mate, learn some respect. I'm putting you on ignore, not-the-least-bit CALMador.
 
Grace-Like-Rain

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Calmador said:
I think the real reason why some people have expressed conflict against me is because of past experiences... they relate to past experiences.
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Perhaps some, though definitely not all. Many women here who have spoken up I know to be very modest dressers.

Calmador said:
Also, like you... they've assumed things that are not true. You believe I hate those women. Your wrong. Please don't say lies about me.
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I said "apparent hatred", and I based that opinion off of the raw frustration and strong negative emotion that I saw in your posts. I see in more recent posts of yours that you realize your first post was emotional, and you already admitted that it was a "rant", so I think we may all understand one another now. I'm just offering insight into why people were repulsed (your word) by your initial post.
 
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seoulsearch said:
But Calmador, as you have said repeatedly, and so many times that I've lost count:

1. When something's wrong, it's wrong.
2. Sometimes there is a need to address things that are wrong head-on.

As you've stated over and over as well, let's keep it simple.

What I'm trying to point out, which I guess you're not picking up on, is that you've made a majority of women here feel condemned and judged for things that many of us are not even doing, and you don't seem particularly concerned about that.

Speaking harshly against women in a general rant without acknowledging those who aren't participating in what you're condemning them of is just as wrong as the immodesty you keep going on about. What you don't seem to understand is that you're coming across as someone who blames immodesty on all women and that you feel very hateful towards women because of it.

And yes, that's as simple to understand as it gets. As you say... "It's not complicated."

The ironic thing to me is that such threads are often followed up by questions such as, "Where Have All the Good Christian Women Gone and Why Won't One Date Me??!!!"

If that doesn't warrant a double faceplam, I don't know what does.
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I didn't speak harshly against women in general. I never did it. If you think that... that's you. Not me.

How can I come across that blames immodesty on all women? That's totally you. I was talking about certain women.

You clearly didn't understand me.

Nah, no threads like that from me. Women in general are attracted to me. :D :D :D

Seoul, don't worry about me looking at women in a general way. I'm not. I just don't like immodesty... I like this video here. I sympathize with it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJVHRJbgLz8
 
Tinkerbell725

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Dress code is not the issue. The issue is your intentions and God knows your heart so no need to justify everything. Its ok to dress according to the occasion. Some women dress to express, to impress, or just to be comfortable. Dont waste your time hating the women you think of as immodest. They are accountable to God for their own actions. Instead, forgive them if they make you stumble and understand that we are living in a world full of deceptions.

A strong christian doesnt put others down, he lifts them up.
 
Grace-Like-Rain

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Ella85 said:
Exactly!

A man should WORSHIP his woman....and her body... why would he want to make her feel uncomfortable.
He should make her feel good about herself not cover her up!
That's being real STIFF!
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Well... yes, in the home for him, he should definitely make her feel loved in that way. And she honors him by saving those special (scantily clad) times for him in private. A confident wife need seek only the admiration of her husband, and a godly husband will appreciate that she uncovers herself for his eyes alone. :)
 
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Calmador said:
I didn't speak harshly against women in general. I never did it. If you think that... that's you. Not me.

How can I come across that blames immodesty on all women? That's totally you. I was talking about certain women.

You clearly didn't understand me.

Nah, no threads like that from me. Women in general are attracted to me. :D :D :D

Seoul, don't worry about me looking at women in a general way. I'm not. I just don't like immodesty... I like this video here. I sympathize with it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJVHRJbgLz8
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No..............you said, I THINK ILL GO FIND a FOREIGN woman................ lol............. you can't just GO FIND a woman! ahhahaha


And pigs FLY hahahahha
 
Calmador

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Ella85 said:
I think that when you are in public, you should dress somewhat modest yes.
When I say modest I mean -

No cleavage
No ass cheeks
No stomach


I think singlet tops are fine, shorts are fine, dresses are fine (to a certain length)

When you go to the beach bikini's are FINE as you are at the BEACH lol

What you want to go for a dip in your JEANS AHAHAHA

What do you want us to wear at the beach??? It's not like a guy is going to come up to you and check you out specifically because you are wearing a bikini.... I mean.... what are the chances he picks YOU out of the 100000 other girls that are there unless you are really really good looking :)
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Its not what I want you to wear. Its what God wants us to wear, modest clothing. I think you want to compromise.

[h=3]1 Timothy 2:9-10[/h]Likewise also that women should adorn themselves in respectable apparel, with modesty and self-control, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly attire, but with what is proper for women who profess godliness—with good works.

God wants you to dress with modesty. It doesn't matter if you get picked up or not.. don't be like the 10,0000 girls who are dressing immodestly.
 
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Grace-Like-Rain said:
Well... yes, in the home for him, he should definitely make her feel loved in that way. And she honors him by saving those special (scantily clad) times for him in private. A confident wife need seek only the admiration of her husband, and a godly husband will appreciate that she uncovers herself for his eyes alone. :)
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Absolutely agree here babe, I was with someone for 5 years I not once looked at another man, and I can't stop someone looking at me but it's the actions that follow there after.

It says a lot about a man when he can not trust his wife or partner, it would seem that he has insecurity issues and afraid of something better coming along!
 
Calmador

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Grace-Like-Rain said:
Perhaps some, though definitely not all. Many women here who have spoken up I know to be very modest dressers.



I said "apparent hatred", and I based that opinion off of the raw frustration and strong negative emotion that I saw in your posts. I see in more recent posts of yours that you realize your first post was emotional, and you already admitted that it was a "rant", so I think we may all understand one another now. I'm just offering insight into why people were repulsed (your word) by your initial post.
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Thanks for understanding.
 
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Ella85 said:
I think that when you are in public, you should dress somewhat modest yes.
When I say modest I mean -

No cleavage
No ass cheeks
No stomach


I think singlet tops are fine, shorts are fine, dresses are fine (to a certain length)

When you go to the beach bikini's are FINE as you are at the BEACH lol

What you want to go for a dip in your JEANS AHAHAHA

What do you want us to wear at the beach??? It's not like a guy is going to come up to you and check you out specifically because you are wearing a bikini.... I mean.... what are the chances he picks YOU out of the 100000 other girls that are there unless you are really really good looking :)
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Female logic being applied to how men operate. I can't help but chuckle.

Also taking things to an extreme to prove a point doesn't work. If someone states 'i think bikinis are immodest' to retaliate by suggesting that they are using extremes such as 'wearing jeans' doesn't make your point. If anything it weakens your argument because it presumes you can't use a more balanced approach to prove you point, rather than trying to discredit the person by applying false extremes to their viewpoint. That doesn't prove your point, just seeks to make the other person look bad, and in a manner that is not supported or valid.
 
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Ella85

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Ugly said:
Female logic being applied to how men operate. I can't help but chuckle.

Also taking things to an extreme to prove a point doesn't work. If someone states 'i think bikinis are immodest' to retaliate by suggesting that they are using extremes such as 'wearing jeans' doesn't make your point. If anything it weakens your argument because it presumes you can't use a more balanced approach to prove you point, rather than trying to discredit the person by applying false extremes to their viewpoint. That doesn't prove your point, just seeks to make the other person look bad, and in a manner that is not supported or valid.
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Well..... if we cant wear shorts, cant wear a bikini.....

what else can we wear?
 
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