OSAS supporters, explain these, if you will please.

[blue_ladybug]

What nature ? what personal attack? If anything it is you who are attacking me and saying I support that Jesus lied about eternal life....You quote a piece of scripture, but you leave out the part that applies to us....[SUP]27 [/SUP]My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

​newbirth, it would be alot easier and less frustrating for everyone if you could supply the book and verse of the verses that you quote. These verses here tell me nothing about where to find them in the bible. Thank you.

 

[BlackPlatypus]

​newbirth, it would be alot easier and less frustrating for everyone if you could supply the book and verse of the verses that you quote. These verses here tell me nothing about where to find them in the bible. Thank you.

You're not a Mel Gibson fan are you?

 

[newbirth]

​newbirth, it would be alot easier and less frustrating for everyone if you could supply the book and verse of the verses that you quote. These verses here tell me nothing about where to find them in the bible. Thank you.

John 10 vs 27......Jesus quoted scripture ...not chapter and verse ,we do need to get more familiar with the word it involves reading...

 

[newbirth]

You're not a Mel Gibson fan are you?

no ...fan is short for fanatic....1John 3

 

[BlackPlatypus]

John 10 vs 27......Jesus quoted scripture ...not chapter and verse ,we do need to get more familiar with the word it involves reading...

Oh, my. That's just sad.

 

[SeaBass]

My understanding is that Campbellites teach that others outside of those baptized by their prescribed method are unsaved.."for the remission of sins"....are unsaved. Is this correct? In other words, would you affirm that other individuals on this site who aren't baptized "for the remission of sins" are brothers in Christ? If a person here views baptism simply as an important act of obedience that follows salvation, as a statement of his identification with Christ and his unity with Jesus Christ, would you consider him a brother?

The exclusivism of the Campbellite faction within the Church of Christ is what makes them a cult...denial of the Christianity of others that aren't baptized in a way that meets their understanding of baptism. They claim that justification isn't final until baptism occurs..in other words, salvation isn't finished until after baptism. And even then, the person doesn't have eternal life...it's a religion devoid of grace. On top of that, they declare that the believer doesn't have the indwelt spiritual presence of God that is the very agent of sanctification....

The BIBLE teaches the purpose of baptism is "for remission of sins" Acts 2:38.

Is anyone going to be saved who are still lost in their unremitted/unforgiven sins?

So anyone that does not believe the false teachings you follow is a "cult"?

 

[SeaBass]

"the Holy Spirit indwells one through His word" - The Holy Spirit indwells one by being born again of Spirit . . . .

We hear the word, we obtain faith by believing that word - we are born again not with corruptible seed but of incorruptible seed by or through the word of God - Now the Spirit of God via the Holy Spirit lives and dwells in us through incorruptible seed. We are filled with the Spirit - born again of the Spirit through our faith in Jesus Christ. The Spirit that now dwells in us leads and guides us.

We have an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven . . . we are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation . . . . It is God through our faith in Jesus Christ that sets us apart (sanctifies) us, It is God through our faith in his Son that has begotten us . . .

Comparing to parallel verses of Col 1:18 and Eph 5:18 the word indwelling a Christian and the spirit indwelling the Christian is the same thing.


The Holy Spirit abides in the Christian the same as Christ abides in the Christian:

Jn 15:4 "Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me."

5 "I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing."

6 "If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned."

7 "If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you."

THis passage says Christ abides in the Christian verses 4 & 5. But Christ abiding in the Christian in verses 4 & 5 becomes Christ's words being "in you" in v7

So both Christ and the HS both abide in the Christian through their words.

 

[homwardbound]

Col 1:18 "And he is the head of the body, the church:..."

Eph 4:4 "There is one body..."

The church is the body and there is one body, one church. So how many is one?

Okay, I agree there is only one God pitched not man, and so is tat what you are saying?

Hebrews 8:1-4New International Version (NIV)[h=3]The High Priest of a New Covenant[/h]8 Now the main point of what we are saying is this: We do have such a high priest,[SUP](A)[/SUP] who sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven,[SUP](B)[/SUP] [SUP]2 [/SUP]and who serves in the sanctuary, the true tabernacle[SUP](C)[/SUP] set up by the Lord, not by a mere human being.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Every high priest[SUP](D)[/SUP] is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices,[SUP](E)[/SUP] and so it was necessary for this one also to have something to offer.[SUP](F)[/SUP] [SUP]4 [/SUP]If he were on earth, he would not be a priest, for there are already priests who offer the gifts prescribed by the law.[SUP](G)


So no Church on earth is the one is it? The true Church is in Heaven in Spirit and truth, correct?[/SUP]

 

[homwardbound]

Eph 5:23 "For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body."

I am a member of Christ's one body/church for that is the only place salvation can be found.
Do you know a verse that says Christ is the Saviour of man-made denominations?

No verse says God teaches men directly, personally.

Here are the verses that says God does:

Hebrews 8:11New International Version (NIV)[SUP]11 [/SUP]No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,[SUP](A)[/SUP]
from the least of them to the greatest.

Isaiah 54:13New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP]All your children will be taught by the Lord,[SUP](A)[/SUP] and great will be their peace.[SUP]([/SUP][SUP]B[/SUP]

John 6:45New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]45 [/SUP]It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’[SUP][a][/SUP][SUP](A)[/SUP] Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to me.

1 Corinthians 2:13New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP]This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom[SUP](A)[/SUP] but in words taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught words.[SUP][a][/SUP]1 Thessalonians 4:9New International Version (NIV)

[SUP]9 [/SUP]Now about your love for one another[SUP](A)[/SUP] we do not need to write to you,[SUP](B)[/SUP] for you yourselves have been taught by God[SUP](C)[/SUP] to love each other.[SUP](D)[/SUP]
Hebrews 8:10New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]This is the covenant[SUP](A)[/SUP] I will establish with the people of Israel
after that time, declares the Lord.
I will put my laws in their minds
and write them on their hearts.[SUP](B)[/SUP]
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.[SUP](C[/SUP]

 

[SeaBass]

Okay, I agree there is only one God pitched not man, and so is tat what you are saying?

Hebrews 8:1-4New International Version (NIV)The High Priest of a New Covenant

8 Now the main point of what we are saying is this: We do have such a high priest,[SUP](A)[/SUP] who sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven,[SUP](B)[/SUP] [SUP]2[/SUP]and who serves in the sanctuary, the true tabernacle[SUP](C)[/SUP] set up by the Lord, not by a mere human being.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Every high priest[SUP](D)[/SUP] is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices,[SUP](E)[/SUP] and so it was necessary for this one also to have something to offer.[SUP](F)[/SUP] [SUP]4 [/SUP]If he were on earth, he would not be a priest, for there are already priests who offer the gifts prescribed by the law.[SUP](G)


So no Church on earth is the one is it? The true Church is in Heaven in Spirit and truth, correct?[/SUP]

You say "one God" but EPh 4:4 that I am talking about says one BODY.

As there is one God, EPh 4:4 says there is one body. So Christ only established one church therefore the idea of there being many churches is a corruption of man. THis one body, one church is upon earth now and someday Christ will return for her to take her back to heaven with Him where He has prepared mansions, Jn 14:1-3.

Verse 3 says "And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also" If the church were already in heaven, then no need for Christ to return to earth and receive the church unto Himself.

 

[homwardbound]

Heb 8:1-4 does not say Christians do not exist on earth. Paul was a Christian and he was on earth as were all the other disciples.

Isaiah 40:23
He brings princes to naught and reduces the rulers of this world to nothing.
John 8:23
But he continued, “You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world.
John 14:30
I will not say much more to you, for the prince of this world is coming. He has no hold over me,
John 18:36
Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place.”

 

[SeaBass]

Isaiah 40:23
He brings princes to naught and reduces the rulers of this world to nothing.
John 8:23
But he continued, “You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world.
John 14:30
I will not say much more to you, for the prince of this world is coming. He has no hold over me,
John 18:36
Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place.”

Jesus' kingdom is not a physical, economic type of kingdom, but a spiritual kingdom. Christ's church is a spiritual kingdom.


Acts 8:1 "And Saul was consenting unto his death. And at that time there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea and Samaria, except the apostles."

How could Saul persecute the church at Jerusalem if the church is not in this world?

 

[newbirth]

Here are the verses that says God does:

Hebrews 8:11New International Version (NIV)[SUP]11 [/SUP]No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,[SUP](A)[/SUP]
from the least of them to the greatest.

Isaiah 54:13New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP]All your children will be taught by the Lord,[SUP](A)[/SUP]and great will be their peace.[SUP]([/SUP][SUP]B[/SUP]

John 6:45New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]45 [/SUP]It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’[SUP][a][/SUP][SUP](A)[/SUP] Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to me.

1 Corinthians 2:13New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP]This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom[SUP](A)[/SUP] but in words taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught words.[SUP][a][/SUP]1 Thessalonians 4:9New International Version (NIV)

[SUP]9 [/SUP]Now about your love for one another[SUP](A)[/SUP] we do not need to write to you,[SUP](B)[/SUP] for you yourselves have been taught by God[SUP](C)[/SUP] to love each other.[SUP](D)[/SUP]
Hebrews 8:10New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]This is the covenant[SUP](A)[/SUP] I will establish with the people of Israel
after that time, declares the Lord.
I will put my laws in their minds
and write them on their hearts.[SUP](B)[/SUP]
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.[SUP](C[/SUP]

How is it you don't seem to understand it is the Holy Spirit he is speaking about?

 

[homwardbound]

The Judge will judge people according to their deeds/works, Rom 2:6; Rev 20:12,13. So faith only will not cut it with the Judge.

Romans 14:4
Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.

Matthew 7:1New International Version (NIV)[h=3]Judging Others[SUP](A)[/SUP][/h]7 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged.[SUP](B)[/SUP]

Luke 6:41New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]41 [/SUP]“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?
Luke 6:42New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]42 [/SUP]How can you say to your brother, ‘Brother, let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when you yourself fail to see the plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

 

[kennethcadwell]

The church is not a tabernacle or building, and is not the kingdom.

The church is the body of believers who accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, and observe what He taught.

 

[SeaBass]

Romans 14:4
Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.

Matthew 7:1New International Version (NIV)Judging Others[SUP](A)[/SUP]

7 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged.[SUP](B)[/SUP]

Luke 6:41New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]41 [/SUP]“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?
Luke 6:42New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]42 [/SUP]How can you say to your brother, ‘Brother, let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when you yourself fail to see the plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

Rom 2:6; Rev 20:12,13 plainly say men will be judged according to their deeds/works. So how does that work out for those that think NO WORKS is necessary to being saved?

 

[homwardbound]

Heb 5:9 "And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;"

Do you believe Heb 5:9?

Absolutely, and in context:

Romans 1:5
Through him we received grace and apostleship to call all the Gentiles to the obedience that comes from faith for his name’s sake.

Romans 5:19
For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.




Romans 16:26
but now revealed and made known through the prophetic writings by the command of the eternal God, so that all the Gentiles might come to the obedience that comes from faith—

 

[homwardbound]

maybe but he did not lie though , that was what i wanted to correct

Abraham actually feared, an so did not tell them she was his wife in fear that they would kill him God Protected Abraham, King had a dream, and feared Abraham. Hmmm. and Abraham walked in Faith, not perfectly, but did trust God ultimately
And his belief (Faith) accounted to him as righteous as well the same is today.
Hebrews11 real clear on Fait, believing God

 

[homwardbound]

It does not say for us to say we have not sinned ...did it?.....If you choose to say it you make Him a liar...so don't say it

Need to ask, do you say you have not sinned?

 

[oldernotwiser]

Need to ask, do you say you have not sinned?

me? do you mean in the past two or three minutes?