The new covenant with Christ Jesus

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Re: The new covenant "WITH" Christ Jesus

She only repost the text that suit her, to have the original post taken out of context.
This is where the change of subject happened, so I thought that I would link back to the post on your thread that changed things for all to read if they want.
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...ng-new-about-new-covenant-17.html#post1669390
Then Elin's next post is this. :confused:
I note you did not answer the question:

Is Jesus God, equal with God the Father?

Yes, or No. . .

And "acknowledging" is not addressing or showing anything.
 
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Is that where all the ignorance comes from?
why ask me sweet heart. columbus, states he found north usa. but failed to say the natives fould usa north first. the joy of second place lol
 
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Elin, you must be going crazy without a response from me, find something to do, something edifying instead of trying to stir trouble. Your questions have no purpose but to instigate division and tear people down. I don't have time to answer questions without edifying purpose and moreover any questions that come from you, go read the OLD TESTAMENT OR SOMETHING.
Oh, I know she asked me the same question like three times in the "Grace and law married" thread, I don't think she liked my response. lol
It was a good one I think.http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/98192-grace-law-married-8.html#post1670414
 
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There is a reason the U.S. is losing it, or have lost it beyond the point of no return unless God intervenes. Judgment is coming, and it begins in the house of God. The reason is that we have listened to false teachers saying that some of God's word is no longer valid just as we have seen on this thread.
We are no longer one nation under God. We no longer sing "My country tis of thee" because the church in this country (not all churches) are apathetic.
Just-me. Yes. I believe that. I was in Hawaii in isolation for about two years, and when I came back to the U.S./Mainland I saw death has occurred. God has had me moving around and it is shocking at the unbelief. Faith is a daily thing, and when God shows up at your door and needs a place to stay and no one is willing to listen or hear, that's a problem. Many think that judgment will come later, and people are just comfy, waiting on Jesus, when HE JUST SHOWED UP AND THEY IGNORED HIM. But what did he do? He dusted off His feet. The Bible is the same today now and yesterday. America does not need help, they have all the help they need from the satanic churches.
 
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Just-me. Yes. I believe that. I was in Hawaii in isolation for about two years, and when I came back to the U.S./Mainland I saw death has occurred. God has had me moving around and it is shocking at the unbelief. Faith is a daily thing, and when God shows up at your door and needs a place to stay and no one is willing to listen or hear, that's a problem. Many think that judgment will come later, and people are just comfy, waiting on Jesus, when HE JUST SHOWED UP AND THEY IGNORED HIM. But what did he do? He dusted off His feet. The Bible is the same today now and yesterday. America does not need help, they have all the help they need from the satanic churches.
A couple of years ago I was talking to an old time preacher who is no longer a minister because of the "itching ears" syndrome of the congregation. He said if Jesus ever came back in the flesh like He did the first time that they'd kill Him again just like before even though the death would be by a different means.
 
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That answer would be a "no,"
for you do no unequivocally affirm the deity of Jesus Christ.

And you have no clue what lack of an unequivocal affirmation reveals.

You are not an orthodox Christian, you belong to a non-Christian sect,
which denies the deity of Jesus Christ.


Let the denial and deception begin.

The record speaks for itself.
It only proves a condemnation spirit in this poster.
 
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Re: The new covenant "WITH" Christ Jesus

Originally Posted by Elin

That answer would be a "no,"
for you do no unequivocally affirm the deity of Jesus Christ.

And you have no clue what lack of an unequivocal affirmation reveals.

You are not an orthodox Christian, you belong to a non-Christian sect,
which denies the deity of Jesus Christ.


Let the denial and deception begin.

The record speaks for itself.


It only proves a condemnation spirit in this poster.
Agreed. I'm changing the thread name back to the original. It had been changed by ?????????????????????? Guess :confused: who

I think that post of Elins was directed toward me. I know what I am but not as well as God knows.
 
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A couple of years ago I was talking to an old time preacher who is no longer a minister because of the "itching ears" syndrome of the congregation. He said if Jesus ever came back in the flesh like He did the first time that they'd kill Him again just like before even though the death would be by a different means.
No doubt about it. We're no different regardless flush toilets, electricity, planes and cars. Spiritual blindness is just as virulent and dark in mankind as ever, blind is blind, this doesn't change. Nor has the devil ceased to work in that darkness, with men lined up around the block to chip in, men that blindly wallow in the immoral, sinful and destructive affairs of the world system. Spiritual blindness is powerful. I always think of the parable of the rich man and Lazarus in this regard, and what the Lord Jesus taught so very true,

Luke 16:27-31 Then he said [the rich man in hell], I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him [Lazarus] to my father's house: for I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Think about it. At Armageddon, the armies of the world are going to try and fight the Lord Jesus.
 
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No doubt about it. We're no different regardless flush toilets, electricity, planes and cars. Spiritual blindness is just as virulent and dark in mankind as ever, blind is blind, this doesn't change. Nor has the devil ceased to work in that darkness, with men lined up around the block to chip in, men that blindly wallow in the immoral, sinful and destructive affairs of the world system. Spiritual blindness is powerful. I always think of the parable of the rich man and Lazarus in this regard, and what the Lord Jesus taught so very true,

Luke 16:27-31 Then he said [the rich man in hell], I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him [Lazarus] to my father's house: for I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Think about it. At Armageddon, the armies of the world are going to try and fight the Lord Jesus.
How true that is, and then we have continuing contention about the law that God gave to Moses, never being able to agree on what the Bible really say concerning the reliance to the old and new covenant.

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/95343-beware-lawkeepers.html


What kind of spirit instigated this thread?

Jesus never went against His Fathers will, and His Fathers will is very well documented in the old testament writings. It will never change according to Malachi as He says "I CHANGE NOT"
 
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Jesus fulfilled many of the OT laws. But he didn't abolish all of them.
The sacrificial laws, i.e. ceremonial laws, were done away with. Because Jesus became the propitiation for our sins. He became the ultimate pure unblemished sacrificial lamb, taking on the sins of the world and taking them to the altar, the cross so as to save the world from sin.

Jesus accomplishment was to fulfill the purpose for the laws of God. He did not abolish the need to obey God. Nor did he abolish all laws of God. The laws against murder, false witness, adultery, etc... are still applicable. As some examples.


Malachi 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed .


Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.


Our Lord Jesus Christ was endowed with the fullness of His Father's Spirit unlike any other human. He was also born in the flesh, and therefore He is known as the Son of Man and the Son of God. According to the previously quoted verses neither Christ nor His Father (our Father in heaven) have changed their motives since the beginning.


John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?


Now there are many professing Christians who will say that the covenant of the Old Testament is obsolete and void because Israel didn't live up to the requirements and statutes of God. They will never say that God was guilty of breaking covenant, even though they say that the covenant is disannulled and obsolete.


My questions are these.
Now that we have a new covenant with Christ, does that covenant also become obsolete and void because of disobedience, or does God now (through the new covenant) look at His requirements and statutes differently than He did during the old covenant?


Is the only change in God's statutes the priesthood from Aaron (Levi) to Yeshua Messiah (Judah), plus the temple made with hands, and the new made without hands, or does the change make everything in the old covenant void, annulled, and obsolete?
 
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[SUP]1 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified.2 Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith?3 Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?4 Did you suffer so many things in vain---if indeed it was in vain?5 Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith---6 just as Abraham "believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness"?
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gal 3 tells a different story.
[SUP]Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham.8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, "In you shall all the nations be blessed."9 So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.
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ware, dose it say, married to law.
 
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How true that is, and then we have continuing contention about the law that God gave to Moses, never being able to agree on what the Bible really say concerning the reliance to the old and new covenant.

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/95343-beware-lawkeepers.html


What kind of spirit instigated this thread?

Jesus never went against His Fathers will, and His Fathers will is very well documented in the old testament writings. It will never change according to Malachi as He says "I CHANGE NOT"
history dont change, but how can death be conquered, without someone beating it.

[SUP]0 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, "Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them."11 Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for "The righteous shall live by faith."12 But the law is not of faith, rather "The one who does them shall live by them."13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us---for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree"---14 so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith
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[SUP]0 Now, therefore, why are you putting God to the test by placing a yoke on the neck of the disciples that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?11 But we believe that we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they will." acts 15
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[SUP]28 Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light."matt. 11
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[SUP]1 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified.2 Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith?3 Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?4 Did you suffer so many things in vain---if indeed it was in vain?5 Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith---6 just as Abraham "believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness"?
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gal 3 tells a different story.
[SUP]Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham.8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, "In you shall all the nations be blessed."9 So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.
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ware, dose it say, married to law.
It's another way of saying they are part of each other. Paul expressed this reality to the Romans concerning God's grace that gives us faith.
Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid : yea, we establish the law.

Galatians 2:20-21
20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live ; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Put it together, if we don't acknowledge the law as righteous and principles to adhere to, then we are sinning because we are not living by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. Jesus' words cannot be rejected as He quoted the law to our adversary.

Deuteronomy 8:3 And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger , and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know ; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live .

What then? shall we sin , because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid . (Romans 6:15)

history dont change, but how can death be conquered, without someone beating it. [SUP]
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The physical temple and Levitical priesthood has passed. Jesus fulfilled that. Now if we love God and our neighbor we will adhere to the law that tells us how to do just that with detailed principles. The law was given because of transgression. That's graceful in my opinion.

Check it out, because true believers do this through faith, not by trying to be justified without faith.

Leviticus 19:15-18
15 Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.
16 Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbour: I am the LORD.
17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
18 Thou shalt not avenge , nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

Deuteronomy 6:1-6
1 Now these are the commandments, the statutes, and the judgments, which the LORD your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess it:
2 That thou mightest fear the LORD thy God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son's son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged .
3 Hear therefore, O Israel, and observe to do it; that it may be well with thee, and that ye may increase mightily, as the LORD God of thy fathers hath promised thee, in the land that floweth with milk and honey.
4 Hear , O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
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And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:


The law concerning our responsibility must be in your heart, otherwise it means nothing. If we purposefully deny the instruction of God because His ways are no our ways, we are willfully ignorant, and willfully sinning. So then who is lawless? God's judgment is inescapable, and His judgments contain blessings as well as cursing. Do a Joshua and choose this day whom you will serve.
 
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It comes down to the abuse of Galatians 3:10-14.
Not relying on the law there by no means implies getting rid of the law.
The curse of the law by is no means removed by getting rid of the law but by faith in Christ the ultimate sacrifice who became a curse for us.
I have to thank the proponents of lawlessness - must be messengers sent by God to test whether we understand Paul's writing and His every word thoroughly.
For example,
Elin said:
...And also keeping in mind that the old covenant also was made obsolete (Heb 8:13)
and the law was set aside (Heb 7:18-19) and abolished (Eph 2:14-15).
prompted me to read the letter to the Hebrews and the letter to the Ephesians yet another time and come to realize the commandments and promises of God to the OT Israelites indeed applies to gentile believers.
Ephesians 6:1-3 Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right.Honor your father and mother - which is the first commandment with a promise - that it may go well with you and that you may enjoy long life on the earth.
 
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Hebrews 7:18 For there is verily a disannulling of *the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

One should ask themselves why *"the commandment" is singular in the above scripture.
Strong's defines it as 1785. entole en-tol-ay' from 1781; injunction, i.e. an authoritative prescription:--commandment, precept.

This is a feminine noun denoting a *position of coming to a singular conclusion. Being of feminine description, the *commandment Paul is speaking of is not masculine that came from God. This carnal commandment took God's Word and finalized it as completely perfect before the New Covenant with Christ. Paul is saying that the works of the law without faith are incomplete. That single train of thought was disannuled by faith in Christ. It is not God's commandments, but the singular *commandment of the fleshly mind which Paul is addressing. It was a single train of thought by a carnal mind. Paul proves this point in the previous verse 16 "Who is made , not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life." Context is important if we are to minister the truth. God's commandments through Christ are NOT disannuled!

"For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be." (Romans 8:5-7)

When reading only verses 14 and 15 of Ephesians 2, it is easy to take scripture out of context. One must at least read verse 16 with that scripture in order to see what was slain. It wasn't the law of God.

"For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, (even is not in the original Greek text) the *law of commandments (contained is not in the original Greek text) in **ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; 16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: The physical aspects in the commandments that the temple ordinances contained had everything to do with sacrifice. This has been abolished, fulfilled and completed in our High Priest that is "The new covenant with Christ Jesus."

Last but not least, one must read Hebrews 8 fully through from the beginning, and see that verse 13 is not talking about anything other than the *law of commandments contained in **ordinances; Putting all this in proper perspective I will quote Hebrews 8:13 along with Hebrews 9:1 being the very next verse thereafter.

"In that he saith , A new (covenant, is an added word that is not in the original Greek text) he hath made the first old . Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away. Then verily the first covenant had also **ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary."
 
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Elin said:
...And also keeping in mind that the old covenant also was made obsolete (Heb 8:13)
and the law was set aside (Heb 7:18-19) and abolished (Eph 2:14-15).
I have to thank the proponents of lawlessness - must be messengers sent by God to test whether we understand Paul's writing and His every word thoroughly. . .prompted me to read the letter to the Hebrews and the letter to the Ephesians yet another time
That's good to hear.

Is Hebrews talking about the Mosaic law as the obedience of faith, or as a means of salvation?

Are those in the new covenant under the law of Moses and its curse of the old covenant,
or are they under the law of Christ and its grace of the new covenant (Mt 22:37-40; Gal 5:6; Ro 13: 8, 9, 10)?

Ephesians 6:1-3 Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right.
Honor your father and mother - which is the first commandment with a promise - that it may go well with you and that you may enjoy long life on the earth.
Is Paul talking about the obedience of faith (Mt 22:37-40), or as a means of salvation?
 
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Hebrews 7:18 For there is verily a disannulling of *the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

One should ask themselves why *"the commandment" is singular in the above scripture. . .
Creative rewrite of Scripture.

"Creative. . .but hooey."
 

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Following the Spirit, will lead you away from modern day churches, away from pharisees and legalism, but it will also put you in potentially dangerous situations, because who killed Jesus? Um.... Those who were jealous that He was In the Spirit. Jesus continually prayed and dodged in and out of these people. He went from town to town, and sometimes could not go into certain regions because there was no faith. It would have been a waste of time. I hope those who are listening in The Spirit, can see that there is much waste here in the U.S. There's no need to go where He is already shut out. He is saying to GO back to your Spiritual Homes. For many and most, this will not be the U.S.