What Happens to an UNBAPTIZED believer?
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Johns baptism was a baptism of repentance. Water symbolizes the cleansing one receives from forgiveness. Jesus' baptism is from the holy spirit...a cleansing of ones conscience and an inner pledge to obey God's laws that are written in our hearts and minds by us being under the new covenant. Many people believe in Christ but are not born again. "Lord, Lord, didn't we drive out demons in your name?". And he will tell them I never knew you. If one trusts in the lord and calls on him they are going to be ok. For everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved. ...but they must be born again.
1 Peter 3:20-2221st Century King James Version (KJ21)
[SUP]20 [/SUP]who one time were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah while the ark was being prepared, wherein few, (that is, eight souls) were saved by water.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]The like figure to this, even baptism, doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
[SUP]22 [/SUP]who has gone into Heaven and is at the right hand of God, angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto Him.
Mark 16:16King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
God says he who believes and is baptised shall be saved ....you say he who believes and is not baptised shall be saved... who do we believe God or you?
[SUP]20 [/SUP]who one time were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah while the ark was being prepared, wherein few, (that is, eight souls) were saved by water.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]The like figure to this, even baptism, doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
[SUP]22 [/SUP]who has gone into Heaven and is at the right hand of God, angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto Him.
Mark 16:16King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
God says he who believes and is baptised shall be saved ....you say he who believes and is not baptised shall be saved... who do we believe God or you?
Why not read what I stated to you earlier. I answered your question point blank. Personally, I don't know of anyone who believes in regeneration that does NOT believe in baptism as it is stated in scripture. John 3:5 has been the definition and purpose of baptism, the only baptism that both scripture and the Nicene Creed states as valid in the NT. It has been so for 2000 years and I don't think any man will ever change its meaning or purpose.
Your point blank is quite circuitous.
Scripture calls for the Holy Spirit to baptize one into eternal life upon believing and receiving Christ as Savior. Scripture teaches that water baptism is for those who having been Holy Spirit baptized and thereby made alive unto God in Christ may give witness to the world of their profession of Christ.
Is that your understanding?
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Scripture calls for the Holy Spirit to baptize one into eternal life upon believing and receiving Christ as Savior. Scripture teaches that water baptism is for those who having been Holy Spirit baptized and thereby made alive unto God in Christ may give witness to the world of their profession of Christ.
Is that your understanding?
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Romans 6:3-7 pay attention to the word LIKNESS and study the word...resemblance, similitude etc. PICTURE
Was Jesus born a son of God by the HOLY SPIRT overshadowing MARY or by His IMMERSION
Birth or WATER?
Was John the BAPTIST a child of GOD<---HAD THE SPIRIT from BIRTH and NO IMMERSION
WAS HAGAR who made the chapter of FAITH in HEBREWS 11 a child of GOD<--NO IMMERSION
The THIEF HAD NO IMMERSION
IF IMMERSION was NEEDED for salvation why did PAUL write I THANK GOD I BAPTISED NONE OF YOU if it was necessary and if it was NECESSARY why did GOD not strike him down IMMEDIATELY for LEADING astray...
BAPTISM is the PICTORIAL ORDANCE which sets forth the death of the old man, buried with Christ and risen a new creation in Christ JESUS.......IT is a PUBLIC TESTIMONYY of an INWARD act of faith and is the FIRST ACT OF OBEDIENCE that a CHILD OF GOD submits to and IDENTIFIES you with JESUS and separates your from the GUILTY WORD.
For every ONE VERSE or set of VERSES taken out of context to teach water salvation there are 10 fold more verses that state it is an act of faith, based upon grace, mercy and a GIFT......period!
Was Jesus born a son of God by the HOLY SPIRT overshadowing MARY or by His IMMERSION
Birth or WATER?
Was John the BAPTIST a child of GOD<---HAD THE SPIRIT from BIRTH and NO IMMERSION
WAS HAGAR who made the chapter of FAITH in HEBREWS 11 a child of GOD<--NO IMMERSION
The THIEF HAD NO IMMERSION
IF IMMERSION was NEEDED for salvation why did PAUL write I THANK GOD I BAPTISED NONE OF YOU if it was necessary and if it was NECESSARY why did GOD not strike him down IMMEDIATELY for LEADING astray...
BAPTISM is the PICTORIAL ORDANCE which sets forth the death of the old man, buried with Christ and risen a new creation in Christ JESUS.......IT is a PUBLIC TESTIMONYY of an INWARD act of faith and is the FIRST ACT OF OBEDIENCE that a CHILD OF GOD submits to and IDENTIFIES you with JESUS and separates your from the GUILTY WORD.
For every ONE VERSE or set of VERSES taken out of context to teach water salvation there are 10 fold more verses that state it is an act of faith, based upon grace, mercy and a GIFT......period!
I suggest you study the word save as there are some 7 different ways the word can be translated and SOUL SALVATION is not always meant....ARE women SAVED in bearing children? 1Timothy 2:15<---according to your generic use of save yes!....BAPTISM is a public testimony or our inward faith and SETS US APART from the guilty word and PUBLICALLY states our death, burial and resurrection in JESUS
Still no proof has been posted of any condemnation that comes to an unbaptized believer.
The story of Nic at Nite does not mention baptism, either in the first sentence or the last -- nor in the middle! But you may regard this as the end of the story, a presentation of how to be saved that omits any water:
13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Note the implication of "whosoever believes," that is inclusive of all believers and excludes any necessary addition; it excludes baptize with the whosoever.
The word MUST does not occur.
Don't you see that you contradict yourself if you exclude the thief on the cross because it was the Old Dispensation, but insist on including the Nicodemus material, which is even older in the Old Dispensation? And don't you see that if you exclude the thief for being Old Dispensation, then you must exclude all the earthly teachings of Jesus in the gospel before the cross as Old Dispensation?
My purpose in listing the verses on faith & belief was to show how many, many times in scripture faith/belief is the only responsibility of man in salvation. Do you reject the proof?
James 2:24 doesn't refer to salvation, but to declaration of righteousness, justification. Indeed justification is a part of salvation when God declares a man who trusts Christ as righteous, without any works. But after a man is saved, his good works do declare him righteous. Abraham had been declared righteous years before he offered up Isaac. Abe believed God, and it was counted to him for righteousness apart from works. Years later the offering of Isaac declared him righteous, but that was not salvation.
Focus on the overwhelming evidence of scripture, WHOSOEVER BELIEVES! The odd verses have to conform to the main overwhelming whole counsel of God.
The story of Nic at Nite does not mention baptism, either in the first sentence or the last -- nor in the middle! But you may regard this as the end of the story, a presentation of how to be saved that omits any water:
13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Note the implication of "whosoever believes," that is inclusive of all believers and excludes any necessary addition; it excludes baptize with the whosoever.
The word MUST does not occur.
Don't you see that you contradict yourself if you exclude the thief on the cross because it was the Old Dispensation, but insist on including the Nicodemus material, which is even older in the Old Dispensation? And don't you see that if you exclude the thief for being Old Dispensation, then you must exclude all the earthly teachings of Jesus in the gospel before the cross as Old Dispensation?
My purpose in listing the verses on faith & belief was to show how many, many times in scripture faith/belief is the only responsibility of man in salvation. Do you reject the proof?
James 2:24 doesn't refer to salvation, but to declaration of righteousness, justification. Indeed justification is a part of salvation when God declares a man who trusts Christ as righteous, without any works. But after a man is saved, his good works do declare him righteous. Abraham had been declared righteous years before he offered up Isaac. Abe believed God, and it was counted to him for righteousness apart from works. Years later the offering of Isaac declared him righteous, but that was not salvation.
Focus on the overwhelming evidence of scripture, WHOSOEVER BELIEVES! The odd verses have to conform to the main overwhelming whole counsel of God.
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Another Post which does not establish condemnation for an unbaptized believer:
Note the nature of Cassian's posts. I can't recall any point blank Bible answers from him. He proves nothing from scripture. He makes an assertion about John 3:5 without quoting it.
Now John 3:5 does not mention baptize or baptism. The context is natural birth from the mother's womb, which involves water. Even Spirit Baptism is not being "born of." Regeneration of the Spirit is being born of the Spirit, a different operation from Spirit Baptism, which puts a man into the Body of Christ, the Church. There was no Church to enter when Nic visited the Lord at night; the Church was yet future ("I will build") -- not until Pentecost. Nic is not being told that Nic must be joined to the Church to be saved. Nic does need a re-creation, a new birth, which is different from being joined to Christ's Body, the Church.
There are at least 3 baptisms in the NT, all of which valid:
water, Spirit, and the one Christ said He yet had to undergo, probably = His death on the cross and entombment. The only 1 baptism that all believers have is Spirit baptism.
I don't think that the Nicene Creed (325 AD) mentions baptism at all. Constantinople 381 doesn't mention "water baptism."
If we posit that man has been on earth for at least 6000 years, then there has been one way of being saved for 6000 years, the one way is by trusting the Lord for salvation apart from works, apart from any water baptism.
WHOSOEVER BELIEVES excludes anything else as required for salvation on man's part.
Note the nature of Cassian's posts. I can't recall any point blank Bible answers from him. He proves nothing from scripture. He makes an assertion about John 3:5 without quoting it.
Now John 3:5 does not mention baptize or baptism. The context is natural birth from the mother's womb, which involves water. Even Spirit Baptism is not being "born of." Regeneration of the Spirit is being born of the Spirit, a different operation from Spirit Baptism, which puts a man into the Body of Christ, the Church. There was no Church to enter when Nic visited the Lord at night; the Church was yet future ("I will build") -- not until Pentecost. Nic is not being told that Nic must be joined to the Church to be saved. Nic does need a re-creation, a new birth, which is different from being joined to Christ's Body, the Church.
There are at least 3 baptisms in the NT, all of which valid:
water, Spirit, and the one Christ said He yet had to undergo, probably = His death on the cross and entombment. The only 1 baptism that all believers have is Spirit baptism.
I don't think that the Nicene Creed (325 AD) mentions baptism at all. Constantinople 381 doesn't mention "water baptism."
If we posit that man has been on earth for at least 6000 years, then there has been one way of being saved for 6000 years, the one way is by trusting the Lord for salvation apart from works, apart from any water baptism.
WHOSOEVER BELIEVES excludes anything else as required for salvation on man's part.
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God told His people to wash themselves:
Wash and make yourselves clean.
Take your evil deeds out of my sight; stop doing wrong.
(Isaiah 1:16)
but it was to no avail:
Though you wash yourself with lye
and use much soap,
the stain of your guilt is still before me,
declares the Lord God.
(Jeremiah 2:22)
Jerusalem, wash the evil from your heart and be saved.
How long will you harbor wicked thoughts?
(Jeremiah 4:14)
washing the flesh does not serve to make the heart clean:
Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites!
You clean the outside of the cup and dish,
but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence.
(Matthew 23:25)
what can we do? how can we be saved? water and soap and lye will not make us clean. the law is a burden even the Jews could not bear; we cannot remain spotless, we must be cleansed, and we are helpless to wash ourselves!
Wash away all my iniquity and cleanse me from my sin.
(Psalm 51:2)
Unless I wash you, you have no part with me.
(John 13:8)
hallelujah!!
the Lord has made a Way for us!
At one time we too were foolish, disobedient, deceived and enslaved by all kinds of passions and pleasures. We lived in malice and envy, being hated and hating one another.
But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared, he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that, having been justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life.
(Titus 3:3-7)
whether the sacrament & sign of H[SUB]2[/SUB]O baptism is good & proper & commanded or not -- no argument -- but how foolish it is to think that H[SUB]2[/SUB]O removes sin from our hearts!!
there is only one washing, one baptism, that saves - and it is not an act that man performs - it is to be washed by His blood and secured by His Spirit. there is only one baptism that saves, and it is the baptism with which Christ baptizes, which is not H[SUB]2[/SUB]O
He is faithful to purify us and sanctify us if we believe. in good conscious we ought then to publicly confess Him with this sign, and by keeping ourselves from the stains of wickedness, and acknowledge & know that it is God who makes us clean, not soap.
because He is faithful to everyone who puts their trust in Him, there is no "unwashed" believer, if we would but let Him!! ♥
Wash and make yourselves clean.
Take your evil deeds out of my sight; stop doing wrong.
(Isaiah 1:16)
but it was to no avail:
Though you wash yourself with lye
and use much soap,
the stain of your guilt is still before me,
declares the Lord God.
(Jeremiah 2:22)
Jerusalem, wash the evil from your heart and be saved.
How long will you harbor wicked thoughts?
(Jeremiah 4:14)
washing the flesh does not serve to make the heart clean:
Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites!
You clean the outside of the cup and dish,
but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence.
(Matthew 23:25)
what can we do? how can we be saved? water and soap and lye will not make us clean. the law is a burden even the Jews could not bear; we cannot remain spotless, we must be cleansed, and we are helpless to wash ourselves!
Wash away all my iniquity and cleanse me from my sin.
(Psalm 51:2)
Unless I wash you, you have no part with me.
(John 13:8)
hallelujah!!
the Lord has made a Way for us!
At one time we too were foolish, disobedient, deceived and enslaved by all kinds of passions and pleasures. We lived in malice and envy, being hated and hating one another.
But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared, he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that, having been justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life.
(Titus 3:3-7)
whether the sacrament & sign of H[SUB]2[/SUB]O baptism is good & proper & commanded or not -- no argument -- but how foolish it is to think that H[SUB]2[/SUB]O removes sin from our hearts!!
there is only one washing, one baptism, that saves - and it is not an act that man performs - it is to be washed by His blood and secured by His Spirit. there is only one baptism that saves, and it is the baptism with which Christ baptizes, which is not H[SUB]2[/SUB]O
He is faithful to purify us and sanctify us if we believe. in good conscious we ought then to publicly confess Him with this sign, and by keeping ourselves from the stains of wickedness, and acknowledge & know that it is God who makes us clean, not soap.
because He is faithful to everyone who puts their trust in Him, there is no "unwashed" believer, if we would but let Him!! ♥
Scripture makes it ONE baptism. It is a simultaneous event of water and the Spirit. There is never a separation of water baptism from the action of the Holy Spirit. Baptism enters one into the Kingdom, the Body of Christ. That entrance re-generates the lost union man (Adam) had with God in the beginning. Man was created to be eternal and in union with God.
Matthew 3:13-15 "Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him. But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him."
Mark 16:16 "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."
Acts 2:37-38 "Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."
Acts 2:40-41 "And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation. Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls."
Acts 8:12-13 "But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done."
Acts 8:35-38 "Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him."
Acts 9:17-18 "And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost. And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized." cf. Acts 22:12-16 "And one Ananias, a devout man according to the law, having a good report of all the Jews which dwelt there, came unto me, and stood, and said unto me, Brother Saul, receive thy sight. And the same hour I looked up upon him. And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth. For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard. And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord."
Acts 10:46-48 "For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days."
Acts 16:14-15 "And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira, which worshipped God, heard us: whose heart the Lord opened, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul. And when she was baptized, and her household, she besought us, saying, If ye have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come into my house, and abide there. And she constrained us."
Acts 16:32-33 "And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house. And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway."
Acts 18:7-8 "And he departed thence, and entered into a certain man’s house, named Justus, one that worshipped God, whose house joined hard to the synagogue. And Crispus, the chief ruler of the synagogue, believed on the Lord with all his house; and many of the Corinthians hearing believed, and were baptized."
Mark 16:16 "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."
Acts 2:37-38 "Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."
Acts 2:40-41 "And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation. Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls."
Acts 8:12-13 "But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done."
Acts 8:35-38 "Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him."
Acts 9:17-18 "And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost. And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized." cf. Acts 22:12-16 "And one Ananias, a devout man according to the law, having a good report of all the Jews which dwelt there, came unto me, and stood, and said unto me, Brother Saul, receive thy sight. And the same hour I looked up upon him. And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth. For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard. And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord."
Acts 10:46-48 "For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days."
Acts 16:14-15 "And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira, which worshipped God, heard us: whose heart the Lord opened, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul. And when she was baptized, and her household, she besought us, saying, If ye have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come into my house, and abide there. And she constrained us."
Acts 16:32-33 "And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house. And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway."
Acts 18:7-8 "And he departed thence, and entered into a certain man’s house, named Justus, one that worshipped God, whose house joined hard to the synagogue. And Crispus, the chief ruler of the synagogue, believed on the Lord with all his house; and many of the Corinthians hearing believed, and were baptized."
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Lots of Atwoodism but nothing of the meaning of scripture as it was given in the beginning.
I understand that if one either ignores what scripture says, then they would of necessity need to ignore a creed based on the gospel in the beginning.
Surprise me and actually state a scriptural fact, not an atwoodism.
By the way, you will never get an biblical answer to your unbiblical premise of this OP. Not surprising you keep coming up empty.
I understand that if one either ignores what scripture says, then they would of necessity need to ignore a creed based on the gospel in the beginning.
Surprise me and actually state a scriptural fact, not an atwoodism.
By the way, you will never get an biblical answer to your unbiblical premise of this OP. Not surprising you keep coming up empty.
how do you explain the events of Acts 10, where certain Gentiles who heard and believed were filled with the Holy Spirit before being baptized with H[SUB]2[/SUB]O ?
Peter's explanation is this:
Then I remembered what the Lord had said:
'John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.'
(Acts 11:16)
nowhere does it give a hint of picture...it says if you have become united (another version says planted)with him in the likeness of his death...(same way he was laid down in death same way you must be laid down in baptism as if dead)
we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection;(same way he was raised ...same way we shall be raised so we might walk in newness of life...
Romans 6:3-7American Standard Version (ASV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Or are ye ignorant that all we who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?
[SUP]4 [/SUP]We were buried therefore with him through baptism unto death: that like as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we also might walk in newness of life.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For if we have become united with him in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection;
[SUP]6 [/SUP]knowing this, that our old man was crucified with him, that the body of sin might be done away, that so we should no longer be in bondage to sin;
[SUP]7 [/SUP]for he that hath died is justified
we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection;(same way he was raised ...same way we shall be raised so we might walk in newness of life...
Romans 6:3-7American Standard Version (ASV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Or are ye ignorant that all we who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?
[SUP]4 [/SUP]We were buried therefore with him through baptism unto death: that like as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we also might walk in newness of life.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For if we have become united with him in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection;
[SUP]6 [/SUP]knowing this, that our old man was crucified with him, that the body of sin might be done away, that so we should no longer be in bondage to sin;
[SUP]7 [/SUP]for he that hath died is justified
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Come on dcontro. You can do better than that. Christ's baptism was not required under the old law. How can baptism represent the death, buried, and resurrection of Jesus hundreds of years before he was born. The Great Commission of Matt. 28 is when baptism was a re quirement. And regarding your comment about Paul. Read the context carefully. Paul said that, not to minimize the importance of baptism, but to correct those who were attaching too much importance to whoever did the baptizing.
Come on dcontro. You can do better than that. Christ's baptism was not required under the old law. How can baptism represent the death, buried, and resurrection of Jesus hundreds of years before he was born. The Great Commission of Matt. 28 is when baptism was a re quirement. And regarding your comment about Paul. Read the context carefully. Paul said that, not to minimize the importance of baptism, but to correct those who were attaching too much importance to whoever did the baptizing.