It is noted that
no one has been able to give any verse where it says that unbaptized believers are condemned.
Bringing in the Blasphemy of the Spirit has no relevance.
QUOTE=kennethcadwell;1703348]By my understanding I would say no. Because Jesus makes it evident that if you do not follow His commands you are not truly one of His sheep.[/quote]
The Lord Jesus makes it clear that He gives His sheep eternal life & they never perish. But now you contradict yourself. You claimed that every sin would be forgiven except blasphemy of the Spirit.
James 2:14-26Faith Without Works Is Dead
irrelevant straw man. Everyone I have read who posts here agrees with that. Faith issues in salvation which issues in works. So what?
So now if you take what Jesus said in Matthew 25, Matthew 7, about the ones who are truly His will do the will of the Father, and go by what James says which supports our Lords words.
Nothing in Matthew 25 says that refusing to be water-baptized is unforgiveable. You said that it was forgiveable when you claimed that all sin was forgiven, except blasphemy of the Spirit.
To start with you are not truly a sheep, therefore can not be forgiven for you still deny the Christ by not observing His teachings.
He who fails to trust Christ as SAvior, demoting Him to mere chance-giver, raising water-baptism to saviorhood, making human works the SAvior, is defying Christ's teaching.
Second if the Holy Spirit tells you to be baptized in water, which I believe He would because our Lord commanded it, and you refuse to are you not denying the Holy Spirit's guidance. Hince blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, by denying Him.
Your word "hince" is in error. Not all sins can be blasphemy of the Spirit, but all sins are denying the commandments of God, given by the Spirit. So do you retract your suicide theory where you said all sins were forgiven except this blasphemy?
It is noted that you give no proof for connecting neglect of or rejection of or delay of water-baptism with blasphemy. That idea is ridiculous.
Now it is noted that you give not proof whatever that an unbaptized believer is condemned. There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus. Spirit baptism puts a man in Christ Jesus, not water.
The very concept that a human work saves is an abomination. Not of works, lest anyone should boast.
Salvation is offered too many times just for faith/belief with no reference to baptism at all. Could the Lord tell men 1000 times how to be saved and leave out water if it were essential?
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you shall be saved.
God so loved the world that He gave His only Son that whosoever believes in Him should not perish but have ever lasting life.
Rom 10:4ff
For Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness to everyone who
believes. For Moses writeth that the man that doeth the righteousness which is of the law shall live thereby. But the righteousness which is of
faith says thus, Say not in thy heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down
or, Who shall descend into the abyss? (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead.) But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of
faith, which we preach.
Gal 2:15-16
We being Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, yet knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but through
faith in Jesus Christ, even we
believed on Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by
faith in Christ, and not by the works of the law: because by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.
Gal 3:
This only would I learn from you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of
faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now perfected in the flesh?
4 Did ye suffer so many things in vain? if it be indeed in vain.
5 He therefore that supplieth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you,
doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of
faith?
6 Even as Abraham
believed God, and it was reckoned unto him for righteousness.
7 Know therefore that they that are of
faith, the same are sons of Abraham.
8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by
faith, preached the gospel beforehand unto Abraham,
saying, In thee shall all the nations be blessed.
9 So then they that are of
faith are blessed with the faithful Abraham. For as many as are of the works of the law are under a curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one who continues not in all things that are written in the book of the law, to do them. Now that no man is justified by the law before God, is evident: for, The righteous shall live by
faith;
12 and the law is not of faith; but, He that doeth them shall live in them. Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us; for it is written, Cursed is every one who hangs on a tree: that upon the Gentiles might come the blessing of Abraham in Christ Jesus; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through
faith.
Gal 3:22ff
But the scripture shut up all things under sin, that the promise by
faith in Jesus Christ might be given to them that
believe. But before faith came, we were kept in ward under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. So that the law is become our tutor
to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by
faith. But now that faith is come, we are no longer under a tutor. For ye are all sons of God, through
faith, in Christ Jesus.
Gal 5:5-6
For we through the Spirit by
faith wait for the hope of righteousness. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision avails anything, nor uncircumcision; but
faith working through love.
Philip 3:8-9
Yea verily, and I count all things to be loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but refuse, that I may gain Christ, and be found in him, not having a righteousness of mine own,
even that which is of the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith:
Col 2:6
As therefore ye received Christ Jesus the Lord,
so walk in him,
7 rooted and builded up in him, and established in your faith, even as ye were taught, abounding in thanksgiving.
2 Tim 3:15b
the sacred writings which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
Titus 1:4
to Titus, my true child after a common faith: Grace and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Saviour.
Heb 3:19ff
And we see that they were not able to enter in because of unbelief. Let us fear therefore, lest haply, a promise being left of entering into his rest, any one of you should seem to have come short of it.
2 For indeed we have had good tidings preached unto us, even as also they: but the word of hearing did not profit them, because it was not united by faith with them that heard. For we who have believed do enter into that rest;
Heb 10:39
But we are not of them that shrink back unto perdition; but of them that have faith unto the saving of the soul.
Heb 11:7
By faith Noah, being warned
of God concerning things not seen as yet, moved with godly fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; through which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is according to faith.
1 Pet 1:3ff
Blessed
be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy begat us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 unto an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 who by the power of God are guarded through faith unto a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
6 Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a little while, if need be, ye have been put to grief in manifold trials,
7 that the proof of your faith,
being more precious than gold that perisheth though it is proved by fire, may be found unto praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ:
8 whom not having seen ye love; on whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice greatly with joy unspeakable and full of glory:
9 receiving the end of your faith,
even the salvation of
your souls.
1 John 5:4-5
4 For whatsoever is begotten of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that hath overcome the world,
even our faith.
5 And who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
