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Jer 25:
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Dedan, and Tema, and Buz, and all that are in the utmost corners,
[SUP]24 [/SUP]And all the kings of Arabia, and all the kings of the mingled people that dwell in the desert,
[SUP]25 [/SUP]And all the kings of Zimri, and all the kings of Elam, and all the kings of the Medes,
[SUP]26 [/SUP]And all the kings of the north, far and near, one with another, and all the kingdoms of the world, which are upon the face of the earth: and the king of Sheshach shall drink after them.
Isaiah 13:20
It shall never be inhabited, neither shall it be dwelt in from generation to generation: neither shall the Arabian pitch tent there; neither shall the shepherds make their fold there.
Isaiah 21:13
The burden upon Arabia. In the forest in Arabia shall ye lodge, O ye travelling companies of Dedanim.
Revelation 13:
[SUP]2 [/SUP]With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.
This drinking of wine is worshiping the false religion of the day, today it is ISLAM
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Dedan, and Tema, and Buz, and all that are in the utmost corners,
[SUP]24 [/SUP]And all the kings of Arabia, and all the kings of the mingled people that dwell in the desert,
[SUP]25 [/SUP]And all the kings of Zimri, and all the kings of Elam, and all the kings of the Medes,
[SUP]26 [/SUP]And all the kings of the north, far and near, one with another, and all the kingdoms of the world, which are upon the face of the earth: and the king of Sheshach shall drink after them.
Isaiah 13:20
It shall never be inhabited, neither shall it be dwelt in from generation to generation: neither shall the Arabian pitch tent there; neither shall the shepherds make their fold there.
Isaiah 21:13
The burden upon Arabia. In the forest in Arabia shall ye lodge, O ye travelling companies of Dedanim.
Revelation 13:
[SUP]2 [/SUP]With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.
This drinking of wine is worshiping the false religion of the day, today it is ISLAM
PW
No doubt that Saudi Arabia is a centered Muslim enclave and will be part of the Satan 's beast in the human little horn of Daniel and Revelation visions
You are correct that the populations of the Middle East will be the nesting of the little horn of Daniel's .... these are presently adherents of Islam
And I doubt that the Islamic religion is going to be replace with something else before the Lord comes
But the descriptions given do not identify Saudi Arabia as his nesting
I would suggest the you read the following carefully [Ezekiel 38; Daniel 7:7-25; 8:9-25; 11:36-45; Micah 5:5-6]
This one will come out of the northern tiers of the Middle East [northwestern Mesopotamia]
Saudi Arabia is not north of Israel
No doubt that Saudi Arabia is a centered Muslim enclave and will be part of the Satan 's beast in the human little horn of Daniel and Revelation visions
You are correct that the populations of the Middle East will be the nesting of the little horn of Daniel's .... these are presently adherents of Islam
And I doubt that the Islamic religion is going to be replace with something else before the Lord comes
But the descriptions given do not identify Saudi Arabia as his nesting
I would suggest the you read the following carefully [Ezekiel 38; Daniel 7:7-25; 8:9-25; 11:36-45; Micah 5:5-6]
This one will come out of the northern tiers of the Middle East [northwestern Mesopotamia]
Saudi Arabia is not north of Israel
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Yes, that's why I don't like to use the term, "ANTICHRIST" instead I go with MAN OF SIN, which is what Paul calls him. But many Christians are expecting the ANTICHRIST to appear so that's the term they use. THE MAN OF SIN, however, never claims to be CHRIST because he won't acknowledge Christ. Instead, he will put himself above all that is called God.
K
Bride and Plainword the bible does speak of forms of the antichrist as those who does not accept Jesus, and are against Him do to that unbelief.
The thing is though is the bible does speak of one main central antichrist figure as well that is to come in the tribualtion period. He takes and sits in the temple claiming to be God, but before he does this he makes a peace treaty with Israel and then breaks it, he puts an end to daily sacrifices that are started up after the temple is rebuilt. The bible also states how he will be in charge of a 200 million man army. Which has not been seen yet as of today.
There however is two factions that could make up such an army now days. China, and the Muslim nations if they ever stop fighting each other and band together.
The thing is though is the bible does speak of one main central antichrist figure as well that is to come in the tribualtion period. He takes and sits in the temple claiming to be God, but before he does this he makes a peace treaty with Israel and then breaks it, he puts an end to daily sacrifices that are started up after the temple is rebuilt. The bible also states how he will be in charge of a 200 million man army. Which has not been seen yet as of today.
There however is two factions that could make up such an army now days. China, and the Muslim nations if they ever stop fighting each other and band together.
YES!!!! The Sunnis and Shias hate each other. Erdogan of Turkey (the 8th Beast which was of the 7th Ottoman Empire) is Sunni. ISIS is Sunni. I see ISIS forming an alliance with Turkey. Saudi is also largely Sunni. But he hates the Saudis and their ties to the west. He views them as harlots and will make war with them and destroy MECCA.
Correct on the MAN OF SIN. INCORRECT on the 200,000,000 man army. This army is God's Angel Army. They kill 1/3 of mankind, the really bad 1/3. Nobody fights with horses anymore and these horses are not symbolic of tanks or any modern weapon. Compare Rev 9 and 19.
Rev 9:
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.
Rev 19:
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
Fire smoke and brimestone has always represented divine punishment/judgment. Power in their mouths is expression of speaking the truth. Nobody literally kills with power from their mouths unless you are a dragon
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Rev 9:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.
Rev 19:
[SUP]12 [/SUP]His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations:
Notice who is being killed, it is the wicked and who does Christ kill when He returns?
Rev 9:
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.
The 6th Trumpet is the Battle of Armageddon. It is the largest single slaughter of mankind since the Flood.
Rev 9:
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.
Rev 19:
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
Fire smoke and brimestone has always represented divine punishment/judgment. Power in their mouths is expression of speaking the truth. Nobody literally kills with power from their mouths unless you are a dragon
.Rev 9:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.
Rev 19:
[SUP]12 [/SUP]His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations:
Notice who is being killed, it is the wicked and who does Christ kill when He returns?
Rev 9:
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.
The 6th Trumpet is the Battle of Armageddon. It is the largest single slaughter of mankind since the Flood.
K
Correct on the MAN OF SIN. INCORRECT on the 200,000,000 man army. This army is God's Angel Army. They kill 1/3 of mankind, the really bad 1/3. Nobody fights with horses anymore and these horses are not symbolic of tanks or any modern weapon. Compare Rev 9 and 19.
Rev 9:
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.
Rev 19:
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
Fire smoke and brimestone has always represented divine punishment/judgment. Power in their mouths is expression of speaking the truth. Nobody literally kills with power from their mouths unless you are a dragon.
Rev 9:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.
Rev 19:
[SUP]12 [/SUP]His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations:
Notice who is being killed, it is the wicked and who does Christ kill when He returns?
Rev 9:
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.
The 6th Trumpet is the Battle of Armageddon. It is the largest single slaughter of mankind since the Flood.
Rev 9:
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.
Rev 19:
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
Fire smoke and brimestone has always represented divine punishment/judgment. Power in their mouths is expression of speaking the truth. Nobody literally kills with power from their mouths unless you are a dragon
.Rev 9:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.
Rev 19:
[SUP]12 [/SUP]His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations:
Notice who is being killed, it is the wicked and who does Christ kill when He returns?
Rev 9:
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.
The 6th Trumpet is the Battle of Armageddon. It is the largest single slaughter of mankind since the Flood.
No the only angels mentioned is the 4 angels that are sent down to release this army, so the army is not of God and is not made up of angels. They are either a group of those who follow a false religion, or against Christ. Or they are the demons that have been bound in chains until now. For it says the four come down and release them to kill 1/3 of the earth.
This is not an Angelic army, because that would mean it would come up against the man of sin which it does not.
The Seals, Trumpets and Bowls are 3 accounts pertaining to the same thing. Just as Matthew, Mark and Luke are three eye witness accounts of the same events.
The Seals, Trumpets and Bowls culminate at 6-6-6 with the height of Satanic Influence and Evil. The Lord's Kingdom is established at 7-7-7. The Seals show events as seen by Man. Read the 1st Seal with the 1st Trumpet with the 1st Bowl, etc.
Let's look at the 6th of each:
6th SEAL:
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb
6th TRUMPET:
[SUP]18 [/SUP]By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.
6th BOWL:
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
So the 6th of each describes one event - THE BATTLE OF ARMAGEDDON - where Christ returns
The 7th of each describe the Kingdom of the Lord.
7th SEAL:
And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.
7th TRUMPET:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
7th BOWL:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
The Seals, Trumpets and Bowls culminate at 6-6-6 with the height of Satanic Influence and Evil. The Lord's Kingdom is established at 7-7-7. The Seals show events as seen by Man. Read the 1st Seal with the 1st Trumpet with the 1st Bowl, etc.
Let's look at the 6th of each:
6th SEAL:
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb
6th TRUMPET:
[SUP]18 [/SUP]By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.
6th BOWL:
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
So the 6th of each describes one event - THE BATTLE OF ARMAGEDDON - where Christ returns
The 7th of each describe the Kingdom of the Lord.
7th SEAL:
And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.
7th TRUMPET:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
7th BOWL:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
There are two sides to Battle of Armageddon just as there is in any battle. Where are the 4 angels? Euphrates, right? Who gets killed? A third of mankind. So, who does the killing? The 200 million army. The below are companion passages dealing with the same event - Armageddon.
Rev 9:
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.
Rev 16:
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
It is the kings of the east that the way is prepared for by the 4 angels. These bad kings come to Israel.
The angels prepare the way for the third of mankind to be slayed by the 200 million Army of God.
Rev 9:
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.
Rev 16:
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
It is the kings of the east that the way is prepared for by the 4 angels. These bad kings come to Israel.
The angels prepare the way for the third of mankind to be slayed by the 200 million Army of God.
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[h=1]Pope to be first foreign guest at Turkey's new presidential palace[/h]
The new Turkish President may very well be the Man of Sin.
This guy loves himself. He uses "miracles" to impress people.
If there’s anything beloved by Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, who was just elected president on Sunday, it’s his own name. Erdogan, never known for his humility, laid it on thick before a large crowd in Ankara, the Turkish capital. “Today is a new day, a milestone for Turkey, the birthday of Turkey, of its rebirth from the ashes,” he said. “Today we are closing an era and stepping into a new era.”
Indeed, it seems one of the few places Erdogan can control himself when confronted with opposition is the soccer field. There, the 60-year-old is all grace and elegance. According to Agence France-Presse. Erdogan’s team seemed down and out. It was trailing 0-3 — but then:
Enter Erdogan.
Just about the first time the he touched the ball, he beat all the defenders, accepted a pass and rocketed a goal. It would be the first of his three in a frenetic 15 minutes of play. The goalkeeper said his skills were simply no match for Erdogan’s.” Our prime minister scored one class goal after another,” he told AFP. “It was a unique experience to have the chance to play with our prime minister.”
A 60 year old soccer star???
The new Turkish President may very well be the Man of Sin.
This guy loves himself. He uses "miracles" to impress people.
If there’s anything beloved by Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, who was just elected president on Sunday, it’s his own name. Erdogan, never known for his humility, laid it on thick before a large crowd in Ankara, the Turkish capital. “Today is a new day, a milestone for Turkey, the birthday of Turkey, of its rebirth from the ashes,” he said. “Today we are closing an era and stepping into a new era.”
Indeed, it seems one of the few places Erdogan can control himself when confronted with opposition is the soccer field. There, the 60-year-old is all grace and elegance. According to Agence France-Presse. Erdogan’s team seemed down and out. It was trailing 0-3 — but then:
Enter Erdogan.
Just about the first time the he touched the ball, he beat all the defenders, accepted a pass and rocketed a goal. It would be the first of his three in a frenetic 15 minutes of play. The goalkeeper said his skills were simply no match for Erdogan’s.” Our prime minister scored one class goal after another,” he told AFP. “It was a unique experience to have the chance to play with our prime minister.”
A 60 year old soccer star???
1 John 2
18Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard thatantichristis coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour.19They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that it would be shown that they all are not of us.
Muslim not out from us/church. Antichrist out from us but not really us/ pretend to be Christian. Muslim not pretend to be Christian.In Greek the work antee not only mean against, but also to put himself in place of.Some pope believe he is Christ on earth.Strong's Concordance
antichristos: antichrist, (one who opposes Christ)
Original Word: ἀντίχριστος, ου, ὁPart of Speech: Noun, MasculineTransliteration: antichristosPhonetic Spelling: (an-tee'-khris-tos)Short Definition: antichristDefinition: antichrist, either one who puts himself in the place of, or the enemy (opponent) of the Messiah.
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No, I got it right. You have it backwards. You could take all the armies in the world and not come close to 200 million troops. There were only 60 million under arms in all of WW2 on all sides. Further, the "bad" armies are made up of Russian and some of their eastern European territories plus the Northern Arab Alliance. You don't have anywhere near the number needed to make up an army this size.
Secondly, nobody fights with horses anymore. John saw horses. If they were tanks or something else, John would have used a spiritual sign post such as "like" horses. The only army of horses mentioned in Revelation is Christ's army. The sign post given deals with the heads of the horses (9:17) and states they are like heads of lions which is a reference to Christ. Fire, smoke and brimstone is ALWAYS divine punishment. Those being killed are evil as we see from their lack of repentance. 1/3 of mankind is killed. This 1/3 is killed by Christ's army. There in no mention of any of the 200 million being killed. This is Armageddon and it is located right before the 7th trumpet which is when the Lord reigns forever (11:15).
Secondly, nobody fights with horses anymore. John saw horses. If they were tanks or something else, John would have used a spiritual sign post such as "like" horses. The only army of horses mentioned in Revelation is Christ's army. The sign post given deals with the heads of the horses (9:17) and states they are like heads of lions which is a reference to Christ. Fire, smoke and brimstone is ALWAYS divine punishment. Those being killed are evil as we see from their lack of repentance. 1/3 of mankind is killed. This 1/3 is killed by Christ's army. There in no mention of any of the 200 million being killed. This is Armageddon and it is located right before the 7th trumpet which is when the Lord reigns forever (11:15).
No, the MAN OF SIN will come from Turkey. He will not be Jewish. He will be Muslim. He will not honor the god of his fathers (ALLAH) because he puts himself above every god including Allah and our God of the Universe. This is what Daniel is describing. This MAN OF SIN is AKA the King of the North. He comes from the new 8th kingdom which is of the 7th which was the Ottoman Empire. This MAN of Sin will HATE the Harlot, ISLAM and will burn her. See Jeremiah Chapter 50.
Why apostle John said Antichrist went out of us. Muslim not out from Christian or pretend to be christian.
1 John 2
18Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard thatantichristis coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour.19They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that it would be shown that they all are not of us.
1 John 2
18Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard thatantichristis coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour.19They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that it would be shown that they all are not of us.