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Mr. Skinsky, Remember the words of Jesus "As you believe, it shall be done unto you".
Much easier to believe the "good news" and the freedom we walk in - no more under laws. Much easier to believe I have the righteousness of Christ covering me...imputed righteousness. And I will receive what I have faith in.
You have a lot to live up to - what a burden you must carry.
Much easier to believe the "good news" and the freedom we walk in - no more under laws. Much easier to believe I have the righteousness of Christ covering me...imputed righteousness. And I will receive what I have faith in.
You have a lot to live up to - what a burden you must carry.
The Christian is without blame and spotless (Eph 1:4) not because Christ's perfect righteousness is transferred to man while man sits and does nothing, but because man obeys by being baptized and then put "in Christ" Gal 3:27 and being in Christ he is covered by Christ's perfect righteousness. And then Christian must continue to walk in the light ( 1 Jn 1:7) to keep all sins cleansed away keeping him spotless and blameless.
In another thread, I predicted and knew you would continue to use your straw man when you say I trust in my own abilities and works when it has been shown to you that to be saved one works to obey GOD'S righteousness not his own, Rom 10:3. As I predicted also, you refuse to understand the difference so you can continue to use your straw man.
Again you are predictable. You blow off what the Bible plainly states because it does not agree with your theology.
The passage in question states in context...
Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
Heb 10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
Heb 10:19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
Heb 10:20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
Heb 10:21 And having an high priest over the house of God;
Heb 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
Heb 10:23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised
Heb 10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
Heb 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
That passage is directed at everyone for it explains the means of reconciliation. We approach God with a true heart via the blood of Jesus Christ and are set apart and washed clean. In doing this we are not to forsake the assembling of ourselves together for encouragement because if we return to the mire and rebel against God again then we are treating the blood of Jesus with contempt as if it could not really cleanse us once and for all. Willful rebellion from a state of full knowledge is a very serious thing and that is what that passage is warning us about.
To blow that warning off and claim it is only for the Jews and therefore you can ignore it is the epitome of foolishness. Anyone who takes such an approach simply does not really believe the Bible.
Verse 29 above speaks of those who sin willfully who were sanctified by the blood of Jesus. It is not speaking of unbelievers or Jews who were forsaking assembly as you claim. You just don't believe the Bible.
Justification is simply when God does not reckon our former sins against us due to the means He has provided. Instead God reckons genuine faith as righteousness. This is not a difficult thing to understand for the Bible clearly states that God reckons faith itself as righteousness and furthermore it states that faith establishes the law. When we compare that to statements like "faith works by love" and "love fulfills the law" it is clearly evident that God justifies on the basis of the condition of the heart as opposed to that of outward deeds, ie. observing rules and regulations. That God would overlook our past sins due to the sin offering of Jesus Christ is an incredible gift of which we cannot boast.
There is not a single passage in scripture which states that the "righteousness of Jesus is credited to a believer." The Bible says it is FAITH ITSELF which is reckoned as righteousness. There is no transfer of virtue. Neither vice nor virtue are transferable properties.
Take note that in your responses to me you don't use scripture to support your contentions. You just vacuously make claims which defy both scripture and reason. Simply saying something is true does not make it so. You are just like one of the Pharisees 2000 years ago who ignored the plain truth when it was right in front of their noses. They were blinded by a dishonest heart and you are too.
You just make these baseless claims with no evidence. The Book of Hebrews is written for all us to give us a clearer understanding of how the death of Christ fulfills the Old Testament sacrificial system. It has nothing to do with being some "application to Jews only who were blending law and faith."
Again you just abide the Bible. Grace abounding when sin abounds simply means that the grace of God is ever present influencing sinners to deny wickedness.
Here is what the Bible says grace is...
Tit 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Tit 2:12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
Here is where Paul teaches that grace abounds...
Rom 5:20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
Rom 5:21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
It is right after that Paul writes this...
Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Shall we continue in sin that grace abound even more? That is what Paul asks.
Paul's answer is an emphatic NO! How can we who are dead to sin possibly live any longer in it? Paul then reiterates the rebirth process of dying with Christ to sin and being raised up with Christ unto righteousness. The service of sin stops.
Why is that hard to understand? The truth is that it is not hard to understand, you just reject what the Bible teaches and want grace to be a cloak for ongoing wickedness.
So you do a shuffle alluding to aorist tense verbs and try to imply that grace cloaks sin all you want, all you are doing is reinforcing your own deception to your own mind. Peter wrote...
1Pe 4:1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
1Pe 4:2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.
John wrote...
1Jn 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
1Jn 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
If you don't believe what the Bible plainly states then there is no way you are going to believe me. Call me a Pharisee all you want, I am in total agreement with the words of Jesus Christ and all the other authors of the New Testament in regards to these matters. It is you who blow it all off with rhetoric and the occasional out of context proof text.
When Jesus said...
Mat 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
What was the context?
Have you ever examined it honestly?
The context is heart purity. Jesus made a comparison between a mere form of outward righteousness versus true inward righteousness.
Mat 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
Your strawman of accusing me of "trusting into yourself, your works, your laws and religious observances" when I actually trust in Jesus Christ and abiding in the Spirit of His life whereby true righteousness if fulfilled IN me is foolish.
Why don't you address the issue of heart purity instead of creating stupid strawmen? Jesus taught heart purity and people like you just ignore it.
Jesus said...
Mat 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
... where the word perfect means moral perfection. In other words God wants us to be PURE IN HEART. God wants our ROOT to be clean. If the root is clean then everything that proceeds from that root will be clean. Our root is made clean simply by abiding in the Spirit of life IN Jesus Christ, we simply submit wholeheartedly to God.
No you don't. You evidently are a liar.
You don't trust Jesus and His word because you proclaim the opposite of what it teaches. Jesus commanded that we "go and sin no more" and you refute that with the notion that you cannot do that because you are in a sinful body and therefore must sin every day.
Satan said as much...
Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
The Bible teaches...
Eze 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
Eze 18:21 But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
Eze 18:22 All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live.
Eze 18:23 Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?
Eze 18:24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.
You believe Satan instead of God. You can change your mind though. Please do so.
The passage in question states in context...
Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
Heb 10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
Heb 10:19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
Heb 10:20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
Heb 10:21 And having an high priest over the house of God;
Heb 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
Heb 10:23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised
Heb 10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
Heb 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
That passage is directed at everyone for it explains the means of reconciliation. We approach God with a true heart via the blood of Jesus Christ and are set apart and washed clean. In doing this we are not to forsake the assembling of ourselves together for encouragement because if we return to the mire and rebel against God again then we are treating the blood of Jesus with contempt as if it could not really cleanse us once and for all. Willful rebellion from a state of full knowledge is a very serious thing and that is what that passage is warning us about.
To blow that warning off and claim it is only for the Jews and therefore you can ignore it is the epitome of foolishness. Anyone who takes such an approach simply does not really believe the Bible.
Verse 29 above speaks of those who sin willfully who were sanctified by the blood of Jesus. It is not speaking of unbelievers or Jews who were forsaking assembly as you claim. You just don't believe the Bible.
Justification is simply when God does not reckon our former sins against us due to the means He has provided. Instead God reckons genuine faith as righteousness. This is not a difficult thing to understand for the Bible clearly states that God reckons faith itself as righteousness and furthermore it states that faith establishes the law. When we compare that to statements like "faith works by love" and "love fulfills the law" it is clearly evident that God justifies on the basis of the condition of the heart as opposed to that of outward deeds, ie. observing rules and regulations. That God would overlook our past sins due to the sin offering of Jesus Christ is an incredible gift of which we cannot boast.
There is not a single passage in scripture which states that the "righteousness of Jesus is credited to a believer." The Bible says it is FAITH ITSELF which is reckoned as righteousness. There is no transfer of virtue. Neither vice nor virtue are transferable properties.
Take note that in your responses to me you don't use scripture to support your contentions. You just vacuously make claims which defy both scripture and reason. Simply saying something is true does not make it so. You are just like one of the Pharisees 2000 years ago who ignored the plain truth when it was right in front of their noses. They were blinded by a dishonest heart and you are too.
You just make these baseless claims with no evidence. The Book of Hebrews is written for all us to give us a clearer understanding of how the death of Christ fulfills the Old Testament sacrificial system. It has nothing to do with being some "application to Jews only who were blending law and faith."
Again you just abide the Bible. Grace abounding when sin abounds simply means that the grace of God is ever present influencing sinners to deny wickedness.
Here is what the Bible says grace is...
Tit 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Tit 2:12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
Here is where Paul teaches that grace abounds...
Rom 5:20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
Rom 5:21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
It is right after that Paul writes this...
Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Shall we continue in sin that grace abound even more? That is what Paul asks.
Paul's answer is an emphatic NO! How can we who are dead to sin possibly live any longer in it? Paul then reiterates the rebirth process of dying with Christ to sin and being raised up with Christ unto righteousness. The service of sin stops.
Why is that hard to understand? The truth is that it is not hard to understand, you just reject what the Bible teaches and want grace to be a cloak for ongoing wickedness.
So you do a shuffle alluding to aorist tense verbs and try to imply that grace cloaks sin all you want, all you are doing is reinforcing your own deception to your own mind. Peter wrote...
1Pe 4:1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
1Pe 4:2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.
John wrote...
1Jn 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
1Jn 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
If you don't believe what the Bible plainly states then there is no way you are going to believe me. Call me a Pharisee all you want, I am in total agreement with the words of Jesus Christ and all the other authors of the New Testament in regards to these matters. It is you who blow it all off with rhetoric and the occasional out of context proof text.
When Jesus said...
Mat 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
What was the context?
Have you ever examined it honestly?
The context is heart purity. Jesus made a comparison between a mere form of outward righteousness versus true inward righteousness.
Mat 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
Your strawman of accusing me of "trusting into yourself, your works, your laws and religious observances" when I actually trust in Jesus Christ and abiding in the Spirit of His life whereby true righteousness if fulfilled IN me is foolish.
Why don't you address the issue of heart purity instead of creating stupid strawmen? Jesus taught heart purity and people like you just ignore it.
Jesus said...
Mat 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
... where the word perfect means moral perfection. In other words God wants us to be PURE IN HEART. God wants our ROOT to be clean. If the root is clean then everything that proceeds from that root will be clean. Our root is made clean simply by abiding in the Spirit of life IN Jesus Christ, we simply submit wholeheartedly to God.
No you don't. You evidently are a liar.
You don't trust Jesus and His word because you proclaim the opposite of what it teaches. Jesus commanded that we "go and sin no more" and you refute that with the notion that you cannot do that because you are in a sinful body and therefore must sin every day.
Satan said as much...
Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
The Bible teaches...
Eze 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
Eze 18:21 But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
Eze 18:22 All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live.
Eze 18:23 Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?
Eze 18:24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.
You believe Satan instead of God. You can change your mind though. Please do so.
If we DO righteousness then we are righteous.
1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
How do we DO righteousness? Simple. We obey God.
Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
There are two roads we can take. We either sin unto death or we obey unto righteousness. It is very simple.
Righteousness leads to holiness (Rom 6:19) the end of which is eternal life (Rom 6:22). Thus eternal life is THROUGH abiding in Jesus Christ (Rom 6:23) because we are made the righteousness of God IN Him (2Cor 5:21) via abiding in the Spirit of His life (Rom 8:2-4).
This is all a manifest reality. The positional transaction gospel is a deceptive substitute which damns those who buy into it because it negates truly coming to Christ.
1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
How do we DO righteousness? Simple. We obey God.
Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
There are two roads we can take. We either sin unto death or we obey unto righteousness. It is very simple.
Righteousness leads to holiness (Rom 6:19) the end of which is eternal life (Rom 6:22). Thus eternal life is THROUGH abiding in Jesus Christ (Rom 6:23) because we are made the righteousness of God IN Him (2Cor 5:21) via abiding in the Spirit of His life (Rom 8:2-4).
This is all a manifest reality. The positional transaction gospel is a deceptive substitute which damns those who buy into it because it negates truly coming to Christ.
The freedom we walk in is within the context of not being governed by external rules and regulations for we are instead governed by a pure heart abided in Jesus Christ.
You do not have any righteousness of Christ covering you. That is a myth of the Protestant Reformation.
It is not a burden to abide in the Spirit of life in Jesus Christ. From your perspective is might seem a burden because you are still yolked to sin and probably cannot perceive truly being set free from it. Thus the notion of walking free from sin, from your perspective, is probably something achieved through a gritting of the teeth. The truth is that it isn't, rather it is instead a joy and blessing.
Jesus came to set the captives free and the freedom He brings is freedom indeed. Not freedom to sin and not surely die, no, freedom to walk according to the Spirit.
This is what the Bible teaches.
Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
This is why...
1Pe 4:1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
1Pe 4:2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.
It is not a burden at all.
You do not have any righteousness of Christ covering you. That is a myth of the Protestant Reformation.
It is not a burden to abide in the Spirit of life in Jesus Christ. From your perspective is might seem a burden because you are still yolked to sin and probably cannot perceive truly being set free from it. Thus the notion of walking free from sin, from your perspective, is probably something achieved through a gritting of the teeth. The truth is that it isn't, rather it is instead a joy and blessing.
Jesus came to set the captives free and the freedom He brings is freedom indeed. Not freedom to sin and not surely die, no, freedom to walk according to the Spirit.
This is what the Bible teaches.
Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
This is why...
1Pe 4:1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
1Pe 4:2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.
It is not a burden at all.
You ought to reject your notion of "being covered by Christ's perfect righteousness."
Putting on Jesus is a figurative way to express what it means to abide in the Spirit of His life.
Here is what the Bible teaches...
Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Gal 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Why are we no longer under the law? Because of this...
Rom 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
The law could only ever reform the outward man through rules and regulations. The law did not reform the heart. The heart is only reformed through the Spirit from which the law is but a shadow.
Faith works by love and love fulfills the law. Hence if we truly love we don't murder, cheat, steal, lust, either inwardly or outwardly. It is in this manifest state of true faith that we no longer need the law because we are instead inwardly governed by the law of love and love does not produce evil.
Thus it is by abiding in the Spirit of life in Jesus Christ (through which the love of God is shed abroad unrestrained in our hearts) that we abide in and fulfill righteousness. There is no Jesus cloak, only a Jesus transformation.
Flee the concepts developed by the popular theologians and instead just use the Bible. Keep it simple and you cannot go wrong. "Imputed Righteousness of Christ" is a modern theological construct and is therefore loaded terminology. Even if you don't hold to the definition held by Calvinism, by using the term you are alluding are appealing to a mental picture in the minds of many who do hold the Calvinist definition and are thus being lured into a debate within their erroneous framework as opposed to the simplicity of the Bible.
Putting on Jesus is a figurative way to express what it means to abide in the Spirit of His life.
Here is what the Bible teaches...
Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Gal 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Why are we no longer under the law? Because of this...
Rom 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
The law could only ever reform the outward man through rules and regulations. The law did not reform the heart. The heart is only reformed through the Spirit from which the law is but a shadow.
Faith works by love and love fulfills the law. Hence if we truly love we don't murder, cheat, steal, lust, either inwardly or outwardly. It is in this manifest state of true faith that we no longer need the law because we are instead inwardly governed by the law of love and love does not produce evil.
Thus it is by abiding in the Spirit of life in Jesus Christ (through which the love of God is shed abroad unrestrained in our hearts) that we abide in and fulfill righteousness. There is no Jesus cloak, only a Jesus transformation.
Flee the concepts developed by the popular theologians and instead just use the Bible. Keep it simple and you cannot go wrong. "Imputed Righteousness of Christ" is a modern theological construct and is therefore loaded terminology. Even if you don't hold to the definition held by Calvinism, by using the term you are alluding are appealing to a mental picture in the minds of many who do hold the Calvinist definition and are thus being lured into a debate within their erroneous framework as opposed to the simplicity of the Bible.
The whole of Romans chapter 4 centers around how our righteousness is imputed. Paul didn't present a Devil's doctrine. Romans 4:22-25 (KJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
[SUP]23 [/SUP] Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
[SUP]24 [/SUP] But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
[SUP]25 [/SUP] Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
[SUP]23 [/SUP] Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
[SUP]24 [/SUP] But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
[SUP]25 [/SUP] Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
I never said any such thing. It is you who are reading such an assertion into my writing.
Righteous works do not make us righteous but those who DO righteousness are righteous as John clearly taught.
1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
There is a big difference between doing righteous works making one righteous and simply those who are righteous doing righteous works. It is not the deeds that are the source of righteousness, it is the heart, and beyond that it is the heart submitted to the righteousness of God.
What makes us righteous is simply abiding in the grace of God, that is the grace that teaches us to deny ungodliness and worldly lusts, to live soberly and uprightly.
Tit 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Tit 2:12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
Again I reiterate it is OBEDIENCE UNTO RIGHTEOUSNESS. In other words we must SUBMIT OURSELVES TO GOD WHOLEHEARTEDLY.
God leads and we follow.
When we wholeheartedly yield ourselves to God then the righteousness of God is produced in us and it is from this that righteous deeds flow.
Is this a difficult thing to understand?
Is it judgmental to refute those who claim that we cannot be pure and must keep on sinning because they blame sin on being in a flesh body?
Of course it is. We are called to exercise judgment.
1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1Co 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
1Co 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
We are not to exercise hypocritical judgement.
Mat 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
Mat 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
Mat 7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
Mat 7:4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
Mat 7:5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
Who have I condemned? I have not condemned anyone.
I have refuted false teachings and called people on those false teachings. That is not condemning people.
By alluding to the fact that one cannot sin and not surely die even if they believe in the fallacy of "Jesus paying their fine" and them "being credited with the obedience of Jesus" is not condemning someone. It is attempting to get them to think outside of the box they have locked themselves in that they might be genuinely saved.
Instead of addressing my actual words all you have done is attempt to bring an accusation of condemnation as well as a misrepresentation of my words by implicating me with teaching that it is the deeds themselves which are a first cause of righteousness when I have never stated anything even remotely close to that.
Righteous works do not make us righteous but those who DO righteousness are righteous as John clearly taught.
1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
There is a big difference between doing righteous works making one righteous and simply those who are righteous doing righteous works. It is not the deeds that are the source of righteousness, it is the heart, and beyond that it is the heart submitted to the righteousness of God.
What makes us righteous is simply abiding in the grace of God, that is the grace that teaches us to deny ungodliness and worldly lusts, to live soberly and uprightly.
Tit 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Tit 2:12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
Again I reiterate it is OBEDIENCE UNTO RIGHTEOUSNESS. In other words we must SUBMIT OURSELVES TO GOD WHOLEHEARTEDLY.
God leads and we follow.
When we wholeheartedly yield ourselves to God then the righteousness of God is produced in us and it is from this that righteous deeds flow.
Is this a difficult thing to understand?
Is it judgmental to refute those who claim that we cannot be pure and must keep on sinning because they blame sin on being in a flesh body?
Of course it is. We are called to exercise judgment.
1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1Co 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
1Co 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
We are not to exercise hypocritical judgement.
Mat 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
Mat 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
Mat 7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
Mat 7:4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
Mat 7:5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
Who have I condemned? I have not condemned anyone.
I have refuted false teachings and called people on those false teachings. That is not condemning people.
By alluding to the fact that one cannot sin and not surely die even if they believe in the fallacy of "Jesus paying their fine" and them "being credited with the obedience of Jesus" is not condemning someone. It is attempting to get them to think outside of the box they have locked themselves in that they might be genuinely saved.
Instead of addressing my actual words all you have done is attempt to bring an accusation of condemnation as well as a misrepresentation of my words by implicating me with teaching that it is the deeds themselves which are a first cause of righteousness when I have never stated anything even remotely close to that.
I have never contended against righteousness being imputed as is taught in Romans 4.
Romans 4:5 teaches that God reckons FAITH as righteousness.
Rom 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
The question we ought to ask is "what is faith?"
I contend that faith is a wholehearted yielding to God, this it is substantial and evidential. This is why faith ALWAYS is connected to obedience as we can see in Hebrews 11. Furthermore we see that the "faith of Abraham" which was reckoned as righteousness is a faith that has STEPS.
Rom 4:10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.
Rom 4:11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
Rom 4:12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.
In other words faith is an ACTIVE DYNAMIC THAT WORKS as opposed to a passive trust which does nothing. This is why James would connect genuine faith with deeds.
Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Paul taught that the engine of faith is love.
Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
Gal 5:5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
Gal 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
We know that love works no ill and therefore fulfills righteousness...
Rom 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
Clearly the faith that God reckons as righteousness in Rom 4:5 is mutually exclusive to disobedience and willfully choosing evil.
Yet what do many in the present age teach?
They teach this...
Imputed righteousness - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Yet nowhere does the Bible say that the "alien righteousness of Christ" is credited to a believer through faith. That doctrine is false and does not match reality.
In protestant theology it is taught that the "virtue of Jesus" is credited to an individual who is still MANIFESTLY wicked because the wicked person merely confessed their wickedness and trusted in Jesus and the transaction taking place. It's a silly and dangerous thing to believe for it completely redefines how the Bible describes faith and it also throws heart purity out the window as it pertains to justification.
Paul quoted David...
Rom 4:6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
Rom 4:7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
David states...
Psa 32:2 Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.
The false teachers disconnect the "lack of guile" from the "faith that is reckoned as righteousness."
See the deception?
It is a very clever way to espouse "you can sin and not surely die" by inducing people to believe in a cloak for sin. The cloak they believe in is the virtue of Jesus being positionally applied to them whereby God then pretends they are righteous when they are still in fact wicked.
Satan has deceived many people in this manner.
Romans 4:5 teaches that God reckons FAITH as righteousness.
Rom 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
The question we ought to ask is "what is faith?"
I contend that faith is a wholehearted yielding to God, this it is substantial and evidential. This is why faith ALWAYS is connected to obedience as we can see in Hebrews 11. Furthermore we see that the "faith of Abraham" which was reckoned as righteousness is a faith that has STEPS.
Rom 4:10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.
Rom 4:11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
Rom 4:12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.
In other words faith is an ACTIVE DYNAMIC THAT WORKS as opposed to a passive trust which does nothing. This is why James would connect genuine faith with deeds.
Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Paul taught that the engine of faith is love.
Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
Gal 5:5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
Gal 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
We know that love works no ill and therefore fulfills righteousness...
Rom 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
Clearly the faith that God reckons as righteousness in Rom 4:5 is mutually exclusive to disobedience and willfully choosing evil.
Yet what do many in the present age teach?
They teach this...
Imputed righteousness - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Yet nowhere does the Bible say that the "alien righteousness of Christ" is credited to a believer through faith. That doctrine is false and does not match reality.
In protestant theology it is taught that the "virtue of Jesus" is credited to an individual who is still MANIFESTLY wicked because the wicked person merely confessed their wickedness and trusted in Jesus and the transaction taking place. It's a silly and dangerous thing to believe for it completely redefines how the Bible describes faith and it also throws heart purity out the window as it pertains to justification.
Paul quoted David...
Rom 4:6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
Rom 4:7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
David states...
Psa 32:2 Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.
The false teachers disconnect the "lack of guile" from the "faith that is reckoned as righteousness."
See the deception?
It is a very clever way to espouse "you can sin and not surely die" by inducing people to believe in a cloak for sin. The cloak they believe in is the virtue of Jesus being positionally applied to them whereby God then pretends they are righteous when they are still in fact wicked.
Satan has deceived many people in this manner.
This is what has happened...
Jud 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
Jud 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
Grace has been redefined into a cloak for ongoing wickedness, primarily through the doctrine of Penal Substitution and the doctrine of Imputed Righteousness of Christ.
Thus God's standard of heart purity is rejected in favour of a positional salvation whereby people perceive they can sin and nor surely die. Just scroll up in this thread and there is one person claiming they cannot be lost no matter what they do. It is the opposite of what the Bible teaches.
The very last thing Peter wrote in his second epistle was this...
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2Pe 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
2Pe 3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
2Pe 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
2Pe 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
2Pe 3:17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
2Pe 3:18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.
Here he contends that God does not want any people to perish but all to come to repentance.
Peter then alludes to the destruction of the world and in light of this posits the question of how we ought to live.
He then states that we be "diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless."
Peter then references Paul and what he taught and then warns people of those who twist Paul's writings, as well as the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. He warns us not to be led away with the error of the wicked and to fall from our own steadfastness.
That is a real warning folks and Peter meant it. Peter knew of the danger of false teaching, he knew of the danger of those who would twist Paul's writings. Peter contended that we are to be DILIGENT that we be found without spot and blameless. Let this passage sink in.
Peter would not have said anything like this if the gospel we based off of a legal transaction where people just trust in and have to do nothing. NO! Peter contended for blameless conduct because he knew that our hearts must be pure before God. The unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom and there is no Jesus cloak.
Peter knew that...
1Pe 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
1Pe 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
1Pe 1:20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
1Pe 1:21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
1Pe 1:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
... we are redeemed from iniquity (vain conduct inherited through tradition/wickedness).
Peter also understood that the Christian's heart is PURIFIED BY OBEDIENCE to the truth through the Spirit unto genuine love. In other words Peter believed in HEART PURITY IN SALVATION and that is why he spoke of blameless conduct of the saints being necessary.
These passages of Peter are all but ignored today because of the false package salvation being preached. A false salvation message where one does not have to die to sin in repentance, where one does not have to pick up their cross and actually follow Jesus. Instead it is all about "confess, trust and receive" because Jesus did it all and we have to do nothing. Even though Jesus taught that we are to strive, endure, dig deep, count the cost, sin no more, pick up our cross, lose our life, etc. All that means nothing in the minds of many people because they have bought into this package salvation message.
Please don't be deceived but examine these things and hold fast to that which is true.
Jud 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
Jud 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
Grace has been redefined into a cloak for ongoing wickedness, primarily through the doctrine of Penal Substitution and the doctrine of Imputed Righteousness of Christ.
Thus God's standard of heart purity is rejected in favour of a positional salvation whereby people perceive they can sin and nor surely die. Just scroll up in this thread and there is one person claiming they cannot be lost no matter what they do. It is the opposite of what the Bible teaches.
The very last thing Peter wrote in his second epistle was this...
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2Pe 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
2Pe 3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
2Pe 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
2Pe 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
2Pe 3:17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
2Pe 3:18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.
Here he contends that God does not want any people to perish but all to come to repentance.
Peter then alludes to the destruction of the world and in light of this posits the question of how we ought to live.
He then states that we be "diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless."
Peter then references Paul and what he taught and then warns people of those who twist Paul's writings, as well as the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. He warns us not to be led away with the error of the wicked and to fall from our own steadfastness.
That is a real warning folks and Peter meant it. Peter knew of the danger of false teaching, he knew of the danger of those who would twist Paul's writings. Peter contended that we are to be DILIGENT that we be found without spot and blameless. Let this passage sink in.
Peter would not have said anything like this if the gospel we based off of a legal transaction where people just trust in and have to do nothing. NO! Peter contended for blameless conduct because he knew that our hearts must be pure before God. The unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom and there is no Jesus cloak.
Peter knew that...
1Pe 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
1Pe 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
1Pe 1:20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
1Pe 1:21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
1Pe 1:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
... we are redeemed from iniquity (vain conduct inherited through tradition/wickedness).
Peter also understood that the Christian's heart is PURIFIED BY OBEDIENCE to the truth through the Spirit unto genuine love. In other words Peter believed in HEART PURITY IN SALVATION and that is why he spoke of blameless conduct of the saints being necessary.
These passages of Peter are all but ignored today because of the false package salvation being preached. A false salvation message where one does not have to die to sin in repentance, where one does not have to pick up their cross and actually follow Jesus. Instead it is all about "confess, trust and receive" because Jesus did it all and we have to do nothing. Even though Jesus taught that we are to strive, endure, dig deep, count the cost, sin no more, pick up our cross, lose our life, etc. All that means nothing in the minds of many people because they have bought into this package salvation message.
Please don't be deceived but examine these things and hold fast to that which is true.
You know that there is a difference between righteous and sinless don't you?
Was Noah sinless? No, all have sinned.
Was Noah righteous...
Gen 7:1 And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.
Were there sinless people in Sodom? No.
Were there any righteous?
Gen 18:23 And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked?
Gen 18:24 Peradventure there be fifty righteous within the city: wilt thou also destroy and not spare the place for the fifty righteous that are therein?
Gen 18:25 That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?
Gen 18:26 And the LORD said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes.
Finally it reduces down to if God can find 10 righteous people in Sodom, He will not destroy the city. If they could not possibly be righteous, why didn't God say so to His friend Abraham?
Exo 23:8 And thou shalt take no gift: for the gift blindeth the wise, and perverteth the words of the righteous.
Who was saying this?
Exo 20:22 And the LORD said unto Moses, Thus thou shalt say unto the children of Israel, Ye have seen that I have talked with you from heaven.
This is a continuation of the words God said to Moses.
Instead of quoting every passage, you can look it up yourself. Let's jump to near the end of the N.T.
1Jn_3:12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
Says there that Abel's WORKS were righteous.
There is a difference between being sinless and being righteous.
Was Noah sinless? No, all have sinned.
Was Noah righteous...
Gen 7:1 And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.
Were there sinless people in Sodom? No.
Were there any righteous?
Gen 18:23 And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked?
Gen 18:24 Peradventure there be fifty righteous within the city: wilt thou also destroy and not spare the place for the fifty righteous that are therein?
Gen 18:25 That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?
Gen 18:26 And the LORD said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes.
Finally it reduces down to if God can find 10 righteous people in Sodom, He will not destroy the city. If they could not possibly be righteous, why didn't God say so to His friend Abraham?
Exo 23:8 And thou shalt take no gift: for the gift blindeth the wise, and perverteth the words of the righteous.
Who was saying this?
Exo 20:22 And the LORD said unto Moses, Thus thou shalt say unto the children of Israel, Ye have seen that I have talked with you from heaven.
This is a continuation of the words God said to Moses.
Instead of quoting every passage, you can look it up yourself. Let's jump to near the end of the N.T.
1Jn_3:12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
Says there that Abel's WORKS were righteous.
There is a difference between being sinless and being righteous.
Well skinski If I have misinterpreted what your saying then please clarify for me because It's very difficult to understand what your saying. I apologize If I have wrongly accused you of anything as that was not my intent but please speak in a simple manner what your point is as I have a simple mind
My point is simply to focus on heart purity.
Salvation is being in a present state where we wholeheartedly love God and our neighbour. There is no rebellion to God in salvation.
This is why there is no such thing as a Christian adulterer, murderer, porn addict, thief, idolator etc. We may have been all these things and more BEFORE we were saved but salvation involves being saved FROM these things.
The message of Jesus is simple. He simply taught to do the right thing from a right motive. In other words yield to what we know is right. That is what He expects of us.
Anyone contending that we can occasionally do evil and remain in a right relationship with God is deceived and is contending for the doctrine of Satan.
The gospel message preached almost universally today is a false gospel message. Instead of bring people to a state of heart purity where they have been redeemed from all iniquity, it leaves them still serving iniquity with only false assurance that they are actually saved in that wretched state.
Salvation is being in a present state where we wholeheartedly love God and our neighbour. There is no rebellion to God in salvation.
This is why there is no such thing as a Christian adulterer, murderer, porn addict, thief, idolator etc. We may have been all these things and more BEFORE we were saved but salvation involves being saved FROM these things.
The message of Jesus is simple. He simply taught to do the right thing from a right motive. In other words yield to what we know is right. That is what He expects of us.
Anyone contending that we can occasionally do evil and remain in a right relationship with God is deceived and is contending for the doctrine of Satan.
The gospel message preached almost universally today is a false gospel message. Instead of bring people to a state of heart purity where they have been redeemed from all iniquity, it leaves them still serving iniquity with only false assurance that they are actually saved in that wretched state.
That is a great post. I think you meant to quote Exo 23:7 instead of 23:8? If not could you elaborate as it goes over my head.
Exo 23:7 Keep thee far from a false matter; and the innocent and righteous slay thou not: for I will not justify the wicked.
Exo 23:8 And thou shalt take no gift: for the gift blindeth the wise, and perverteth the words of the righteous.
Thanks.
Exo 23:7 Keep thee far from a false matter; and the innocent and righteous slay thou not: for I will not justify the wicked.
Exo 23:8 And thou shalt take no gift: for the gift blindeth the wise, and perverteth the words of the righteous.
Thanks.